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 Eldarain wrote:
Maybe the Lizardmen and Wood Elves range will become the Exodites in 40k. Couple of upgrade sprues and some reboxing...

Just in time for Warhammer 40k: End Times 2- Electric Bugaloo

 Auswin wrote:
Lizards especially has never made sense to me. I'd think it would be one of their most-protectable IPs.

GW is supporting the Black Templars Space Marines, and they are, by far, the least-protectable IP in the GW stable.

If GW can continue to keep the BT around for 40k, they can keep LMs for WFB.

 ntdars wrote:
What do you guys think will happen to existing WHFB kits? Do you think ones like Lizardmen will be discontinued? I'm trying to stock up on as many as I can for Mordheim kitbashes :/

I couldn't see GW removing so many awesome plastic kits though, especially ones like Dwarves that are still relatively new

Quoting my own post to let everyone know my local GW rep said a single WHFB kit is getting scraped EXCEPT for Island of Blood - which is good news for kit hoarders myself.

 Auswin wrote:
I'd rather not go into detail because there are people's jobs involved, but the sales staff here in the US has told independent retailers that all current army books would be defunct following Age of Sigmar and that they would not longer be supported in their current state.

I could not find out if this meant model lines would be discontinued too, but my understanding is that Age of Sigmar would be a ruleset intended for skirmish sized games that DOES contain rules for every current army. HOWEVER, it is not GWs intention to support some armies beyond AoS.

I don't know which armies will get new books and which wont, but this store owner was strongly advised not to order replacement stock for Lizardmen, Wood Elves and Tomb Kings -- those were the only ones I was told.

I find that hard to believe since all are well represented on the GW site.

Maybe it means Lizard Men, Wood Elves and Tomb Kings are getting redone?

Lots of the "six factions" rumours put Lizardmen in their own group. Perhaps they are getting fleshed out with more servants of the old ones (giant Mayan Stone golems or something).

If Elves are going into one faction, then many of the kits overlap. Maybe Wood Elves become more crazy and Forest-like.

Tomb Kings will be getting merged with Vampire Counts in a similar fashion so lots of the skeleton infantry will no longer be needed.

Lots of great miniatures on those 3 armies, I really hope they get bundled with other factions than rather being discontinued. Specially lizies, always wanted to flesh out 2000pts of them and add my own flavour with some crocs etc.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Auswin wrote:
Lizards especially has never made sense to me. I'd think it would be one of their most-protectable IPs.

GW is supporting the Black Templars Space Marines, and they are, by far, the least-protectable IP in the GW stable.

If GW can continue to keep the BT around for 40k, they can keep LMs for WFB.

Does GW really have to do much for BT? They don't have a codex and all they really got are a few direct-only IC's. Quite different from taking up shelf space with big kits.

 Auswin wrote:
Lizards especially has never made sense to me. I'd think it would be one of their most-protectable IPs. This is pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if it's because we'll see an aesthetic shift (as has been rumored before). All three armies I noted would likely need the most work to pull them into a more modern setting than other forces.

They probably are one of their most protectible IP's, but they got spanked pretty hard over the Chapterhouse stuff so I can see them taking the ball and going home.

That said, whilst they aren't a common trop, they are still just Aztec Lizards, which has been done before.

The odd thing is that if WFB follows the 40k model, then I would expect Tomb Kings to live on. After all, the two Undead factions operate off similar rules and units, though very few units are actually identical; they could easily make three books out of that. One with basic undead, necromancers/liche priests, and stuff like bone giants and suchlike... Then one book for Vampire gothic horror and one for Egyptian horror. Both combined and not. It may sound flimsy, but then they split four units off to create the MT codex...


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Also, Games Workshop got themselves a Twitter account, and immediately starting trolling. Glorious.

https://twitter.com/games_workshop1/status/609910971998543873

I can't actually decide if that's a real GW account or not... I'm leaning towards not... For one thing, would GW really have decided @voxCaster was too toxic to resurrect?

And how embarassing is that? Going for @Games_Workshop1. - I mean, come on?
And... This seems crazy too. https://twitter.com/Games_Workshop1/status/609906461053972480 - would a company like GW really admit that?
It's not verified... (Mind you @voxcaster wasn't either)

For anyone who has forgotten. GW ragequit social media a few years ago after the Spots The Space Marine debacle.

I thought if they were to start a Twitter account they would have spent a week previewing the different aspects of it on What's New Today building up to a "How to tweet" guide from Duncan Rhodes. :-p

 Auswin wrote:
I'd rather not go into detail because there are people's jobs involved, but the sales staff here in the US has told independent retailers that all current army books would be defunct following Age of Sigmar and that they would not longer be supported in their current state.

I could not find out if this meant model lines would be discontinued too, but my understanding is that Age of Sigmar would be a ruleset intended for skirmish sized games that DOES contain rules for every current army. HOWEVER, it is not GWs intention to support some armies beyond AoS.

I don't know which armies will get new books and which wont, but this store owner was strongly advised not to order replacement stock for Lizardmen, Wood Elves and Tomb Kings -- those were the only ones I was told.

Interesting. I'll have to ask about this tomorrow. Books going away was a couple of weeks ago. But nothing said about Wood Elves, TK, or Lizards. Then again, I'm not re-ordering any WFB until i see what's going on, and have pretty much no reason to as no one is buying any kits until they see what's going on. Another two weeks until they can supposedly tell us.

 Bottle wrote:
I thought if they were to start a Twitter account they would have spent a week previewing the different aspects of it on What's New Today building up to a "How to tweet" guide from Duncan Rhodes. :-p

I'd watch that guide.

 mikhaila wrote:

 Auswin wrote:
I'd rather not go into detail because there are people's jobs involved, but the sales staff here in the US has told independent retailers that all current army books would be defunct following Age of Sigmar and that they would not longer be supported in their current state.

I could not find out if this meant model lines would be discontinued too, but my understanding is that Age of Sigmar would be a ruleset intended for skirmish sized games that DOES contain rules for every current army. HOWEVER, it is not GWs intention to support some armies beyond AoS.

I don't know which armies will get new books and which wont, but this store owner was strongly advised not to order replacement stock for Lizardmen, Wood Elves and Tomb Kings -- those were the only ones I was told.

Interesting. I'll have to ask about this tomorrow. Books going away was a couple of weeks ago. But nothing said about Wood Elves, TK, or Lizards. Then again, I'm not re-ordering any WFB until i see what's going on, and have pretty much no reason to as no one is buying any kits until they see what's going on. Another two weeks until they can supposedly tell us.

I could see Wood Elves getting a new Glade Guard and Glade Rider kit.

It would actually make a lot of sense considering how crummy the army was.

Of all of the "News and Rumors" ever read, THIS thread by far is the most disturbing one I've ever read on Dakka.

I look at it ever now and then, but at this point.... damn.


Why would anyone even want to play WHF, at this point? Much less buy into this shlock?


At this point in time, WHF is pretty much dead on arrival.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You were doing so well!

Then you called my contention that people need to be invested in the background to justify the investment of time and resources ridiculous and poof! your whole stance looks on decidedly more shaky ground.

It's blatantly not a ridiculous thing to say, let alone flat out ridiculous.

But I do despair slightly that more than one person seems to have taken my reference to "nobody" as literally nobody ever. That'll teach me to talk like a normal person in the domain of the po-faced and the literal that is the internet.

No, that premise is not what i called ridiculous. I called your argument, as presented, in point of fact, ridiculous.

Investment in the lore / background / cannon is one of, but not the only, reason people support the game / buy the models.

A literal reading of your post, quite literally, suggested otherwise. How is anyone reading your words supposed to know that when you say "let's face it, nobody [buys or paints GW figs] for any reason other than the background" that you actually mean "most", "lots", "tons", "bazillions", "oodles", or any other synonymous word ? Nobody means literally "not anyone", or in vernacular "no one of any importance." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nobody?s=t)

The first is untrue, the second is ridiculous to think that if someone buys a GW model to paint or play with and not due to the background, that their purchase or import as a customer is somehow less important than one who does so because of the background. It's ridiculous because it's unsupportable or sustainable as an argument, being wholly comprised of opinion.


Dakka is a place rife with hyperbole and unsupported stance / argument, so I made my statement in support of the other poster that said you were making sweeping generalizations, which you claimed you didn't and indicated that you were open to refutation. I did just that. If you meant "I think most people" instead of "Not anyone or at least not anyone of any importance" then you should have used a different series of words or words. I can only interpret what you mean by writing, so if you intend a different meaning, use the right word. You can't expect people to infer whatever common argot you've attached to a word that isn't actually what the word means. And then when someone calls you out on that meaning, get defensive on top !


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Back on topic: This in from BOLS... allegedly someone's rep giving them a watered down press release junket on AoS : Nothing too earth shattering, but it appeasr to be the first hint of official "stance" to retailers on the topic, probably trying to drum up pre-orders would be my guess.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/age-of-sigmar-latest-just-how-different-is-it.html

I receieved the same info from my source that he will have all the info he could want from his GW rep on the 29th. So I'm inclined to believe at least part of the BoLS posting. Plus it agrees with what I posted weeks ago that every model will still be valid (although personal opinion I expect that many special character models will become "generic captain #42" now.

I am not usre, but I think I read the "every model will still be valid" sentence everytime when warhammer makes a change. And I have models and armys from a long time ago which are now just proxys.

I don't believe that it will be different with AoS. Everything is valid, as long as your fine with your dwarf warriors beeing played as human sword fighters.

There's no way that twitter is official. It's not even a verified account.

 streamdragon wrote:
There's no way that twitter is official. It's not even a verified account.

Of course not.GW doesn't believe in marketing in any shape or form

PS: The profile says that it's unofficial and hobbyist led.

 Compel wrote:
I can't actually decide if that's a real GW account or not... I'm leaning towards not... For one thing, would GW really have decided @voxCaster was too toxic to resurrect?

And how embarassing is that? Going for @Games_Workshop1. - I mean, come on?
And... This seems crazy too. https://twitter.com/Games_Workshop1/status/609906461053972480 - would a company like GW really admit that?
It's not verified... (Mind you @voxcaster wasn't either)

For anyone who has forgotten. GW ragequit social media a few years ago after the Spots The Space Marine debacle.

Yup, parody account. They've just updated their description.

"Follow for all your latest Warhammer Fantasy, Warhammer 40,000 & The Hobbit needs! Regular hobby news and updates. Unofficial and hobbyist led."

 Azreal13 wrote:
The same applies for an existing, widely played game as it does for an obscure one or even a home brew ruleset. If it isn't played in the circles you inhabit, and you need to get it off the ground first.

The conversation went "there's plenty of other games" "yeah, well, name me some!" "Here's a long list of other games" "yeah, well nobody plays those!"

Nobody plays anything until somebody does, it doesn't invalidate their existence.

Though it is nice when a large group goes over, all at once. (Which is how Kings of War took over the local group... and having the rules available for free really did not hurt!)

The sad thing - even with Fantasy dropping like a lead balloon, I suspect that its sales are still enough to eclipse Kings of War.

The Auld Grump

TheAuldGrump is right. There is a critical mass moment where a game goes from unplayed, to having a community.

I have been trying for months to get KoW going in upstate NY, and all of the sudden, after being a game played by my wife and I, and one friend... I had a wave of players who suddenly acted as if a lightbulb went off.

Most asked, several times, if they could use their WHFB armies, not believing that an official system would actively encourage using whatever models they wanted, even at the tournament level.

Now I am suddenly organizing WHFB "Refugee" Demo Nights, and a tournament.

So yeah... two players can become twenty with shockingly little dilligence and passion on one player's part.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
TheAuldGrump is right. There is a critical mass moment where a game goes from unplayed, to having a community.

I have been trying for months to get KoW going in upstate NY, and all of the sudden, after being a game played by my wife and I, and one friend... I had a wave of players who suddenly acted as if a lightbulb went off.

Most asked, several times, if they could use their WHFB armies, not believing that an official system would actively encourage using whatever models they wanted, even at the tournament level.

Now I am suddenly organizing WHFB "Refugee" Demo Nights, and a tournament.

So yeah... two players can become twenty with shockingly little dilligence and passion on one player's part.

Yep - I had been pushing KoW since one of the early Betas - but it wasn't until WHFB stumbled that KoW took off....

And now Mantic is putting up official versions of the Warhammer armies on their site.... Empire, Skaven, and Beastmen so far. (Though the KoW Beastmen are aligned with Nature, not the Abyss... I will admit, I am very happy about that change!)
It is taking a while, but folks have started switching over their GW minis to other companies - since Mantic really does not care what miniatures you use when playing. (That said, my dwarf army is mostly Mantic....)

I wonder if GW is going to be silly enough to try to sue them.... (The fact that it is not illegal is not something that GW always takes into account....)

The Auld Grump

 Grot 6 wrote:
Of all of the "News and Rumors" ever read, THIS thread by far is the most disturbing one I've ever read on Dakka.

I look at it ever now and then, but at this point.... damn.


Why would anyone even want to play WHF, at this point? Much less buy into this shlock?


At this point in time, WHF is pretty much dead on arrival.

Pretty blind of you to write-off the new edition, when very few facts have been released about it.

Why would anyone want to play? I dunno... because they like the rules? The setting? Though it's hard to know yet if AoS is 'likable' or not because mostly what we have are rumors.

But the sky is not yet falling. We've only heard -rumors- that the sky is falling.

Well, rumors and looking at the gak that GW has been releasing for rules over the last several years.

Just because it is rumor does not mean that it is uninformed rumor.

The Auld Grump - after all, Dread Fleet was so very good, right?

The owner of my FLGS was told by his GW rep that Age of Sigmar is a new skirmish system, it is not 9th edition Fantasy.

If its anything like the LOTR Strategy Battle Game, I'm intrigued.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
If its anything like the LOTR Strategy Battle Game, I'm intrigued.

If they manage to get shot of roll to hit, roll to wound, roll to save, I'm very intrigued.

Of all the GW games, the dice system in Blood Bowl was the best (although the roll to penetrate armour was a bit clumsy).

I lol'd when I read the part about GW doing cons and trade shows.

Does that make me a bad person? The idea that the great and mighty GW might deign to soil themselves by giving demos to the common player like some kickstarter?

I mean, it might actually be a good idea -- I suspect a lot of people got into the game because a local employee at a GW store gave a good demo. It just seems like the kind of community relations GW is so bad at, now, and doesn't even seem to care about.