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 pretre wrote:

I didn't see the program on BBC1, was it in universe or an interview show? According to previous posts, it was a live show with real life folks. It isn't breaking the fourth wall if it wasn't in universe.

It was real life. If you're going to be picky, to use a term from pro wrestling; they "broke kayfabe". They acknowledged he had played another character in the show already. To use two examples from the current WWE crop. We have Ryback and Bray Wyatt. Neither are acknowledged as having previously been seen onscreen as Skip Sheffield and Husky Harris respectively; even though it is blindingly obvious they're the same person.

 pretre wrote:
"Prior to being cast as the Doctor, Baker had guest starred in the programme (as Commander Maxil in the Peter Davison serial Arc of Infinity), the only Doctor actor to have done so prior to taking the role. At one point in the serial, Maxil shoots the Doctor; Baker often jokes that he got the part of the Doctor by killing the incumbent. "

So this is nothing new.

Karen Gillan had also previously been in Doctor Who (in the Fires of Pompei, oddly enough) before being signed on as a companion and different person.

Yeah, there's a long tradition of folks coming back on Who.

 insaniak wrote:

 pretre wrote:
"Prior to being cast as the Doctor, Baker had guest starred in the programme (as Commander Maxil in the Peter Davison serial Arc of Infinity), the only Doctor actor to have done so prior to taking the role. At one point in the serial, Maxil shoots the Doctor; Baker often jokes that he got the part of the Doctor by killing the incumbent. "

So this is nothing new.

Karen Gillan had also previously been in Doctor Who (in the Fires of Pompei, oddly enough) before being signed on as a companion and different person.

Also Freema Agyeman in Army of Ghosts and Eve Myles (Gwen in Torchwood) in The Unquiet Dead.

And other in the original series; Nicholas Courtney, Ian Marter and Lalla Ward all appeared as other characters before being cast as companions or similar. Conversely Jean Marsh and Jacqueline Hill appeared as other characters years after they were companions.

Peter Purves played another entirely independent character in the same story as he was introduced at the end. His striking similarity to the character met a few episodes previously was never remarked upon.

Simply, I see no reason for them to comment on Peter Capaldi have previously been in the series, it's nothing.

It's a very common thing in tv, in Star Trek NG you see many actors in bit parts who go on to leading roles in the other series (voyager, ds9, enterprise).


I am very pleased with Peter Capaldi, not only because he's a great actor who I like, but because the tears of fangirls, complaining that he's too old and gross and not some floppy haired yoof, will be like sweet wine.

I hope he is the herald of darker Who stories, I want more 'hiding behind the cushion' back into Who and less 'timey whimy fairytale' bs.

Agreed in whole with MGS.

The reveal was slightly ruined for me after it caused an argument between me and a friend, I excitedly told her the news and she was just annoyed that it was another white male.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's a very common thing in tv, in Star Trek NG you see many actors in bit parts who go on to leading roles in the other series (voyager, ds9, enterprise).


I am very pleased with Peter Capaldi, not only because he's a great actor who I like, but because the tears of fangirls, complaining that he's too old and gross and not some floppy haired yoof, will be like sweet wine.

I hope he is the herald of darker Who stories, I want more 'hiding behind the cushion' back into Who and less 'timey whimy fairytale' bs.

Hell yeah, dark doctor who stories.

It would seem to suggest less focus on the Doctor trying to get jiggy with his companions... Which is good. Girls are icky.


While out was never really all that likely, I do find myself a little disappointed that it isn't Hugh Lawrie... Dr Whouse could have been awesome...

 insaniak wrote:
It would seem to suggest less focus on the Doctor trying to get jiggy with his companions... Which is good. Girls are icky.


While out was never really all that likely, I do find myself a little disappointed that it isn't Hugh Lawrie... Dr Whouse could have been awesome...

Just laughed my ass off imagining Hugh Lawrie with a sonic screwdriver and the tardis going around calling people idiots and telling them to let him do his job.

 insaniak wrote:
It would seem to suggest less focus on the Doctor trying to get jiggy with his companions... Which is good. Girls are icky.


While out was never really all that likely, I do find myself a little disappointed that it isn't Hugh Lawrie... Dr Whouse could have been awesome...

Only if he had the right companion...

 Corpsesarefun wrote:
Agreed in whole with MGS.

The reveal was slightly ruined for me after it caused an argument between me and a friend, I excitedly told her the news and she was just annoyed that it was another white male.

Even though The Doctor can't change gender no more than you or I can. One day people will get that through their heads. Here's the quote from Moffat from the show that was just broadcast.

For those hoping that the Doctor would regenerate into a woman, you’ll have to wait. It won’t be happening on Moffat’s watch, as he oddly made a joke about it not happening anytime soon: “I like that Helen Mirren has been saying the next Doctor should be a woman. I would like to go on record and say that the Queen should be played by a man.”

Zing!

Ooh, maybe his last regeneration could be unstable, and he could be constantly morphing between Lawrie and Fry...

 Corpsesarefun wrote:
Agreed in whole with MGS.

The reveal was slightly ruined for me after it caused an argument between me and a friend, I excitedly told her the news and she was just annoyed that it was another white male.

Given that the role has always been played by white males what exactly did she expect?

 Grimtuff wrote:
Even though The Doctor can't change gender no more than you or I can. One day people will get that through their heads. Here's the quote from Moffat from the show that was just broadcast.

For those hoping that the Doctor would regenerate into a woman, you’ll have to wait. It won’t be happening on Moffat’s watch, as he oddly made a joke about it not happening anytime soon: “I like that Helen Mirren has been saying the next Doctor should be a woman. I would like to go on record and say that the Queen should be played by a man.”

Zing!

Except that time lords CAN change sex during regeneration. In The Doctor's Wife, the Doctor mentioned his friend, the Corsair, who had regenerated as both male and female.

 pretre wrote:

Except that time lords CAN change sex during regeneration. In The Doctor's Wife, the Doctor mentioned his friend, the Corsair, who had regenerated as both male and female.

Well yes in theory the Doctor could regenerate as a woman/minority but to do so would be PC tokenism that would be detrimental to the show. I'm extremely relieved that they didn't go down that route as knowing the BBC there was always a risk they would. Peter Capaldi however is an excellent choice.

I'd like to see the Doctor regenerate as a women for a non-canon special, just to have fun with it as a silly one off kind of thing.

 AduroT wrote:
I'd like to see the Doctor regenerate as a women for a non-canon special, just to have fun with it as a silly one off kind of thing.

That would be cool. Maybe they could get Rowan Atkinson involved...

Or maybe Hugh Grant? Nah, that would never happe while Moffat is writing the show !

 insaniak wrote:
Ooh, maybe his last regeneration could be unstable, and he could be constantly morphing between Lawrie and Fry...

Soupy Twist!

 LuciusAR wrote:
Well yes, the Doctor could regenerate as a woman/minority but to do so would be PC tokenism that would be detrimental to the show

bs, on both counts. If they chose Idris Elba to play the Doctor and someone stopped watching the show becuase of that, it says more to the small mindedness of the viewer, not the show.

The BBC got to have its internal PC-venting spooge with Torchwood to shut up all the whiny liberals it hires.

New doctor is a brilliant choice, although I thought Matt Smith was a good pick too (he looks a lot older than his age, which is perfect for the character)... I stopped watching during Tennant's stint... can't really explain why, just lost interest.

Companions are important too, I didn't find any of the companions between Piper and Gillan to be even slightly interesting.

It does seem like a male companion might be good for a change if they no longer feel the need to push totty on the screen for the sake of ratings.

On the other hand, it might be deemed essential to the national interest, dads around the country will be desperate for a bit of pond-tier leg on a saturday night once the tory porn block comes in and the missus makes damn sure its set to off.

 Ahtman wrote:
If they chose Idris Elba to play the Doctor and someone stopped watching the show because of that, it says more to the small mindedness of the viewer, not the show.

Sadly, I would rather have seen Idris get the part myself. Not because he's black, but because he's a much better actor, IMHO. I think him as the Doctor would have been very interesting. Peter Capaldi may be a good actor, but one thing he won't be doing is shaking Moffet's writing up anytime soon. What the show needs is a regeneration of the writing staff more than of the Doctor.

Hooray!

GO AWAY MATT SMITH!

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/08/05/peter-capaldi-doctor-who-fanzine-writer/

I don't want to see him again. Not because he's a bad actor, but because Children of Earth was just way, way too depressing to think of...

Aaargh I'm thinking of it again. Must...not...rewatch...

 scarletsquig wrote:

On the other hand, it might be deemed essential to the national interest, dads around the country will be desperate for a bit of pond-tier leg on a saturday night once the tory porn block comes in and the missus makes damn sure its set to off.

Very good. Very, very good.

A bit of static on NPR about the new Doc not being a woman in an interview actually. Interesting.

One of my friends had a status on facebook about betting that the next doctor would be a white male with a British Accent. She knew it would be, and wasn't trying to start anything... She was just a little miffed that they didn't try and make the jump to another gender or race.

I think Capaldi would make for dark stories ahead. Honestly, I think that is part of the reason why I enjoyed Eccleston's doctor. Things were dark and dangerous. Not to say that 10 or 11 (I'm a season behind with 11) didn't have their moments, or some genuinely creepy stuff, but I think MGS hits the nail on the head with the while flimy fairy tail sort of thing. *shrugs*

I'll try and keep up on the show as I did with the 11th. Though I'll probably remain a season behind as I wait for it on Netflix.

 Ahtman wrote:


bs, on both counts. If they chose Idris Elba to play the Doctor and someone stopped watching the show becuase of that, it says more to the small mindedness of the viewer, not the show.

Idris Elba is an amazing actor, but he's just not Dr Who. Dr Who's character has always been an eccentric British gentleman and messing with that for the sake of being right-on just would be bad for the whole show.

Dr Who is a white male, you can no more change that than you can make Miss Marple a man or Shaft white.