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Other than the hurricane of floating debris and the black hole thing around the muzzle of the weapon.

Well with this game no longer limiting them to designs that fit into a 40K setting they can go a bit wilder with designs. Granted FW still has quite the variety of titans and I suspect the Imperium will have a rough selection of hull types that will have them looking broadly similar.

Really outlandish designs will likely come as we see chaos warp titans appear.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
In 8mm (or even in 10 or 15), you can still have hundreds of infantry models, and they will look a hundred times better than the indistinct pinhead blobs that are 6mm models. 6mm is just too small a scale for good looking infantry.

While that may be your opinion, I would strongly dispute any claim that this was objectively true.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
In 8mm (or even in 10 or 15), you can still have hundreds of infantry models, and they will look a hundred times better than the indistinct pinhead blobs that are 6mm models. 6mm is just too small a scale for good looking infantry.

While that may be your opinion, I would strongly dispute any claim that this was objectively true.

How can it be pinhead blobs when you can clearly make out are they MKIV or MKVII power armour is beyond me...

tneva82 wrote:
I'm betting it won't STAY looking like identical though.

Yeah, as I'm sure we all know from the "titan height" debate, art can be slippery when used as a reference.

I'd be willing to bet FW will create something to differentiate Psy-Titans from their ordinary brethren.

 schoon wrote:
I'm excited that we may finally get to see what a Psy-Titan looks like!

Only been waiting a few decades...

A 'Games Day' from way back had a prototype model - a plastic beetleback with metal add-on. Basically what looked like a observatory mounted on the back. To me that's what a Psi-titan looks like because I've never come across any description otherwise.

Cheers

Indeed, it had a very limited release through Mailorder:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
In 8mm (or even in 10 or 15), you can still have hundreds of infantry models, and they will look a hundred times better than the indistinct pinhead blobs that are 6mm models. 6mm is just too small a scale for good looking infantry.

While that may be your opinion, I would strongly dispute any claim that this was objectively true.

Do you mean the scale of battles? As even in 28mm it's now a common occurrence to see a couple of hundred infantry on a board if you're facing one of the hoard armies.

If it's just the pinhead comment, I think this is usually on a more personal level. I have terrible eyesight for instance and 6mm does really look like a mesh of colours to me, whether or not they're great sculpts. Though looking on the picture someone put up of the different marks or armour I can see they have detail enough to paint.



Is it August yet?

tneva82 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
In 8mm (or even in 10 or 15), you can still have hundreds of infantry models, and they will look a hundred times better than the indistinct pinhead blobs that are 6mm models. 6mm is just too small a scale for good looking infantry.

While that may be your opinion, I would strongly dispute any claim that this was objectively true.

How can it be pinhead blobs when you can clearly make out are they MKIV or MKVII power armour is beyond me...

Yea if you tried to accurately represent every man in the platoon you would end up with something looking like a Tomb King scarab swarm

I liked the old epic stands with just 5 soldiers per stand. I never considered it as an accurate 'in scale' representation, it was merely a good way of representing a platoon/ company of soldiers on the tabletop.

Macrossmartin wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
No Epic Expansion for me - no Money for GW

Well, no clutter in my Titan game = more money from me.

Amen, Brother Gorgon, Amen!

Friend of mine on FB was commenting on the Battle of Jutland just now... so that got me thinking...

Re-fight Jutland. With Titans.

... help.

Do titans work underwater?

No, but ...

Imagie them fighting on a world with "undergrowth" 20' high. Warlords and Reavers striding waist-high through the plains, while Warhounds peek over the top of the plantlife, and mere ripples show where Knight lances move unseen, until an unfortunate Reaver tumbles into the undergrowth.

That's why you bring flamers- scorch the forests in the name of the Holy Emperor. Let the cleansing flame wash away the chaos of plant life and engulf those who would oppose the Imperium. Once cleansed thy holy battle engines of destruction and stride the wasteland without fear of the unseen to bring righteous fury to any who escaped the flames.

In that case they're weird silicon-based plants that even once burned still obscure ground level.

What nonsense is that?

Melta Cannon them out of existence!

Or even better, Sunfury Plasma Annihilate it out of existence AND memory!!!

"A forest grew here once; if the Emperor wills it, then it will grow again"

August will not get here soon enough, and yet for budget purposes it will likely feel like it's getting here far too soon!

Hopefully the Grand Master Edition isn't too pricey.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
No, but ...

Imagie them fighting on a world with "undergrowth" 20' high. Warlords and Reavers striding waist-high through the plains, while Warhounds peek over the top of the plantlife, and mere ripples show where Knight lances move unseen, until an unfortunate Reaver tumbles into the undergrowth.

Very evocative!

I actually think Titans would need to have been constructed to work in a variety of atmospheric pressures and environments, would make more sense if you are planning a galactic dominion (putting aside for one moment the fantastical nature of 30/40k)

The other idea I liked is Titans and Knights fighting on the outer hull of a cruiser or battleship, with attack craft and the ship's own point defence weaponry coming into play, too.

 zedmeister wrote:
Indeed, it had a very limited release through Mailorder:

Spoiler:

Wow! That is a piece of history I'd forgotten about.

Bravo, Sir. Bravo.

 schoon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Indeed, it had a very limited release through Mailorder:

Spoiler:

Wow! That is a piece of history I'd forgotten about.

Bravo, Sir. Bravo.

I think my brain had protected itself by forgetting such a monstrosity

MaxT wrote:

 schoon wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Indeed, it had a very limited release through Mailorder:

Spoiler:

Wow! That is a piece of history I'd forgotten about.

Bravo, Sir. Bravo.

I think my brain had protected itself by forgetting such a monstrosity

I agree with you that is one fugly model. Plastic warlord titans and variants are really bad models. I did like the warhound and reaver titans

 howie wrote:
If it's just the pinhead comment, I think this is usually on a more personal level. I have terrible eyesight for instance and 6mm does really look like a mesh of colours to me, whether or not they're great sculpts. Though looking on the picture someone put up of the different marks or armour I can see they have detail enough to paint.

Yeah, the pinhead comment, and the implication you can't get a good infantry sculpt at 6mm.

Knowing people who sculpt and produce miniatures at that scale, it's an insult to some very talented artists to make such a claim.

 Dysartes wrote:

 howie wrote:
If it's just the pinhead comment, I think this is usually on a more personal level. I have terrible eyesight for instance and 6mm does really look like a mesh of colours to me, whether or not they're great sculpts. Though looking on the picture someone put up of the different marks or armour I can see they have detail enough to paint.

Yeah, the pinhead comment, and the implication you can't get a good infantry sculpt at 6mm.

Knowing people who sculpt and produce miniatures at that scale, it's an insult to some very talented artists to make such a claim.

No, of course it was not an objective statement. No statement of like or dislike is ever objective. I just don't like miniatures that small. Not enough room for detail, which means that equipment like guns, belts, grenades etc. just become blobs. I like seeing detail like that on my infantry. Details like that are what in my opinion makes them actual miniatures as opposed to mere tokens. I have yet to see an infantry sculpt at 6mm that I thought was good. I'd be happy if you could show me one though.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
No, of course it was not an objective statement. No statement of like or dislike is ever objective. I just don't like miniatures that small. Not enough room for detail, which means that equipment like guns, belts, grenades etc. just become blobs. I like seeing detail like that on my infantry. Details like that are what in my opinion makes them actual miniatures as opposed to mere tokens. I have yet to see an infantry sculpt at 6mm that I thought was good. I'd be happy if you could show me one though.

Well, I don't know about you, but these look superb to me:





More here:
http://wpggamegeeks.blogspot.com/2016/06/epic-30k-imperial-fist-artillery.html

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Not enough room for detail, which means that equipment like guns, belts, grenades etc. just become blobs.

Epic models were never the cutting edge of 6mm sculpting, but even there, on a Marine, the backpack, eye sockets on the helmet and the chest cabling was visible. Away from Epic, I've got some 1:300 GHQ micro-armour infantry, and the detail there is enough to distinguish the American's M16s from British SA-80s, as well as the different helmet shapes.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 howie wrote:
If it's just the pinhead comment, I think this is usually on a more personal level. I have terrible eyesight for instance and 6mm does really look like a mesh of colours to me, whether or not they're great sculpts. Though looking on the picture someone put up of the different marks or armour I can see they have detail enough to paint.

Yeah, the pinhead comment, and the implication you can't get a good infantry sculpt at 6mm.

Knowing people who sculpt and produce miniatures at that scale, it's an insult to some very talented artists to make such a claim.

No, of course it was not an objective statement. No statement of like or dislike is ever objective. I just don't like miniatures that small. Not enough room for detail, which means that equipment like guns, belts, grenades etc. just become blobs. I like seeing detail like that on my infantry. Details like that are what in my opinion makes them actual miniatures as opposed to mere tokens. I have yet to see an infantry sculpt at 6mm that I thought was good. I'd be happy if you could show me one though.

Hmm..you'd be surprised at the level of detail that's possible nowadays. You might wanna check out Vanguard Miniatures' 3mm range.

I know price has been thrown around regarding the Grandmaster edition, but I thought I'd note Andy Hoare said on the Warhammer TV stream earlier tonight that the figure being tossed around at Warhammer Fest by one of his colleagues was accurate but vague in the sense it was being touted at Between £200 and £500.

He added the money men are still crunching the final number, but he did say it will be very good value and he'd expect that one of the Warlord's would be effectively free.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I know price has been thrown around regarding the Grandmaster edition, but I thought I'd note Andy Hoare said on the Warhammer TV stream earlier tonight that the figure being tossed around at Warhammer Fest by one of his colleagues was accurate but vague in the sense it was being touted at Between £200 and £500.

That's a large - and horrifying - range there.

I'd really be surprised if it is much beyond £200, if it is even above £200 period.

If 200 is the floor on the big box that's extremely disappointing. That'd still put it at 160 assuming it's not GW-exclusive and assuming the e-tailers give us the full 20% that seems to be the maximum these days.

Whether they intend it to be or not, the Grandmaster box is going to be seen as the "starter set" for the game, and for starter sets frankly the actual "value" is secondary to not giving people a heart attack due to sticker shock - they can push the "free Warlord" line all they like, if it's sitting on a shelf at those kinds of prices a lot of folk will be out the door before they can hear all the patter.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I know price has been thrown around regarding the Grandmaster edition, but I thought I'd note Andy Hoare said on the Warhammer TV stream earlier tonight that the figure being tossed around at Warhammer Fest by one of his colleagues was accurate but vague in the sense it was being touted at Between £200 and £500.

He added the money men are still crunching the final number, but he did say it will be very good value and he'd expect that one of the Warlord's would be effectively free.

I never thought I'd register here, but this post is incorrect enough to make me stop lurking. The figure given at the stream was the same one as at the Fest: between 5 and 200 pounds. As the exact figure has indeed not been set yet, any other figure you hear can safely be discarded. At some point I will make a second post detailing what went on at the Fest regarding AT as depressingly few people have done that.

Ah, my bad I thought he said £500 to £200.. I did wonder why he phrased it that way.

My apologies.. that makes much more sense.


edit - I'll double check on the vod next time to be 100% I hear things clearly. My house is pretty noisy with four kiddies.