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Sadly, any Imperial soup force can take her (and just her) and use the same stratagem. I wish GW would confine the parameters a little so that Sisters players could get more benefit out of our proper HQ choice.

 davidgr33n wrote:
Sadly, any Imperial soup force can take her (and just her) and use the same stratagem. I wish GW would confine the parameters a little so that Sisters players could get more benefit out of our proper HQ choice.

If they are unlocked like guard, marines, chaos, etc... the stratagems will need a full sisters detachment so at the very least they are taking a unit of BSS and using a detachment to get access to it.

Yea! Hopefully it is like any other faction stratagem and requires you to have a full Sororitas detachment (it'll go well with my foot brigade + foot battalion at 1750 points )

So the rules are now officially out.


Celestine went up 50 points
Geminaes went down 25 points each.

If you take them all, you're still paying the same cost as before.

Exorcist went down 25 points

Eviscerator went down 10 points
Hand Flamers and Inferno Pistols both went down 3 points.
Stormbolders, as expected, is now 2 points.

Repressor went up 20 points (ouch)

The warlord trait and the relic are exactly as expected.

The Stratagems are clarified. You can only use Martyrdom once at the end of a phase in which a character died. opens some strategic moves in your opponents turn, but its definately not overpowered. As for the other one, it's exactly as leaked.

I think CA is a slight buff to Sisters overall. The trait makes foot lists more viable, the stratagems give us psychic defense back and make for some interesting strategic possibilities and Celestine really didn’t get hit too hard.

Voldrak wrote:
So the rules are now officially out.


Celestine went up 50 points
Geminaes went down 25 points each.

If you take them all, you're still paying the same cost as before.

Exorcist went down 25 points

Eviscerator went down 10 points
Hand Flamers and Inferno Pistols both went down 3 points.
Stormbolders, as expected, is now 2 points.

Repressor went up 20 points (ouch)

The warlord trait and the relic are exactly as expected.

The Stratagems are clarified. You can only use Martyrdom once at the end of a phase in which a character died. opens some strategic moves in your opponents turn, but its definately not overpowered. As for the other one, it's exactly as leaked.

Any word on if Sisters will get some sort of Chapter Tactics?

Rynner wrote:

Voldrak wrote:
So the rules are now officially out.


Celestine went up 50 points
Geminaes went down 25 points each.

If you take them all, you're still paying the same cost as before.

Exorcist went down 25 points

Eviscerator went down 10 points
Hand Flamers and Inferno Pistols both went down 3 points.
Stormbolders, as expected, is now 2 points.

Repressor went up 20 points (ouch)

The warlord trait and the relic are exactly as expected.

The Stratagems are clarified. You can only use Martyrdom once at the end of a phase in which a character died. opens some strategic moves in your opponents turn, but its definately not overpowered. As for the other one, it's exactly as leaked.

Any word on if Sisters will get some sort of Chapter Tactics?

I think “Acts of Faith” is our form of Chapter Tactics for 8th ed.

 davidgr33n wrote:

Rynner wrote:

Voldrak wrote:
So the rules are now officially out.


Celestine went up 50 points
Geminaes went down 25 points each.

If you take them all, you're still paying the same cost as before.

Exorcist went down 25 points

Eviscerator went down 10 points
Hand Flamers and Inferno Pistols both went down 3 points.
Stormbolders, as expected, is now 2 points.

Repressor went up 20 points (ouch)

The warlord trait and the relic are exactly as expected.

The Stratagems are clarified. You can only use Martyrdom once at the end of a phase in which a character died. opens some strategic moves in your opponents turn, but its definately not overpowered. As for the other one, it's exactly as leaked.

Any word on if Sisters will get some sort of Chapter Tactics?

I think “Acts of Faith” is our form of Chapter Tactics for 8th ed.

What? No. Acts of Faith is our Army Special Rule, like Orders or And They Shall Know No Fear or Battle Focus or Canticles of the Omnissiah.

We have no "Order Sects" or whatever (which is a sub-division of Factions, like Cadians, Catachans, or Tallarn, who all have Orders; or Stygies, Mars, and Lucius, who all have Canticles).

Welcome to playing SoB.

 pretre wrote:
Welcome to playing SoB.

Yeah thanks. I've been hoping CA gives us some generic ones to pick from to keep them semi playable competitively.

Important to note the Martyrdom rule.

"Use this Strategem at the end of a phase in which an Adepta Sororitas character from your army has been slain. REMOVE THAT UNIT FROM THE BATTLEFIELD. Roll a d6, on a roll of 2+ one unit from your army with the Act of Faith ability can perform an Act of Faith."

Only units that remain on the battlefield get to use the AoF, no distance restrictions from the Martyred unit. Since you have to remove the Martyred unit to use this Strategem, you aren't going to want to use this when losing a Geminae as it would remove the entire unit. Since its at the end of a phase, it would only pop for Celestine dying the second time or after failing her 2+ and your CP re-roll. Even if a Geminae remained you couldn't use the Strategem to bring Celestine back as you would have to remove the Geminae to do so.

You could of course just wait till your next turn with a Geminae on the field to bring back 1W Celestine. Though it seems like the rule is pretty tight on the whole Martyrs being actually dead to use this Strategem. I like it. Dialogus for everybody!




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Rynner wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Welcome to playing SoB.

Yeah thanks. I've been hoping CA gives us some generic ones to pick from to keep them semi playable competitively.

I find them quite competitive, CA has given us some nice point cuts, Martyrdom, Blade of Admonition for my Seraphim Superior. And made the Repressor so that nobody can complain about it anymore...

The only points cuts I see are minor cuts to Seraphim weapons, Evisorators, -25 to the Exorcists which still doesn't make it playable imo.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Important to note the Martyrdom rule.

"Use this Strategem at the end of a phase in which an Adepta Sororitas character from your army has been slain. REMOVE THAT UNIT FROM THE BATTLEFIELD. Roll a d6, on a roll of 2+ one unit from your army with the Act of Faith ability can perform an Act of Faith."

Only units that remain on the battlefield get to use the AoF, no distance restrictions from the Martyred unit. Since you have to remove the Martyred unit to use this Strategem, you aren't going to want to use this when losing a Geminae as it would remove the entire unit. Since its at the end of a phase, it would only pop for Celestine dying the second time or after failing her 2+ and your CP re-roll. Even if a Geminae remained you couldn't use the Strategem to bring Celestine back as you would have to remove the Geminae to do so.

You could of course just wait till your next turn with a Geminae on the field to bring back 1W Celestine. Though it seems like the rule is pretty tight on the whole Martyrs being actually dead to use this Strategem. I like it. Dialogus for everybody!

Ouch. Yeah, I agree with your points. Remove the unit is a big deal and removes the Geminae abuse. Good for them. Dialogous, on the other hand...

Wait is there a leak that includes the SOB faction rules somewhere?

@dracpanzer- Curious, Seraphim Superiors are not characters, so just asking how are you getting her the Blade of Admonition?

@Unit1126PLL- I imagine with the Codex, should we get a proper one, we might get some “sub-faction” flavoring and bonuses as you say, but nothing like that in the CA.

 davidgr33n wrote:
@dracpanzer- Curious, Seraphim Superiors are not characters, so just asking how are you getting her the Blade of Admonition?

@Unit1126PLL- I imagine with the Codex, should we get a proper one, we might get some “sub-faction” flavoring and bonuses as you say, but nothing like that in the CA.

Yes! That's what I expect with the codex. We have none until then.

As much as everyone is liking the idea of Celestine + twins, I’m still strongly debating solo Celestine. I hate that by herself she’s 200 pts (uugggg), but taking the bodyguards just seems like an invitation for reckless play. Yes, my savings went from 100 pts to 50 pts, but that’s still more goodies elsewhere.
Just another point of view, though I admit I’m tempted just to bite the bullet and take the 250 pt unit.

One caveat: if Geminae (being characters) can take the Blade of Admonition, then I’ll take at least one.

I hadn't thought about giving the Gemini the blade. Thats not bad if you can do it.

That Warlord trait is trash though.

I am giving my canoness the blade because it's fluffy.

Can you guys tell me where you are finding these leaks please! :O :O

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I am giving my canoness the blade because it's fluffy.

Can you guys tell me where you are finding these leaks please! :O :O

Facebook/Faeit

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I am giving my canoness the blade because it's fluffy.

Can you guys tell me where you are finding these leaks please! :O :O

Early source -
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/11/chapter-approved-2017-coming-in.html?m=1


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Rynner wrote:
I hadn't thought about giving the Gemini the blade. Thats not bad if you can do it.

That Warlord trait is trash though.

Yes, if a Geminae can carry the Relic Blade, then that will be extra punch for Celestine. The Warlord trait is definitely meh, which is why I currently use Tallarn as an ally. My Tallarn are about 850 pts, but carry my anti-tank and serve as my Warlord.

Just curious, does anyone know if the wording to any special rules got changed? I’m specifically curious as to whether or not the wording for the Repressor’s “Firing Ports” changed...

 davidgr33n wrote:

Just curious, does anyone know if the wording to any special rules got changed? I’m specifically curious as to whether or not the wording for the Repressor’s “Firing Ports” changed...

It's only pts changes in Chapter Approved. None of the datasheets have been altered.

St Celestine is a named character/unit therefore unable to use a Relic. The geminae are just her wargear so I really don't see them as able to use any relics either, since they're part of a named unit. It looks like the canoness is the only unit that can take it.

I'm on the fence about the Martyrdom stratagem triggering on 1 geminae dying. I think it currently fits the wording but will be FAQd quickly. I also read Martyrdom as triggering and AoF for the dying character, not the army itself. Who knows yet..

 deviantduck wrote:
St Celestine is a named character/unit therefore unable to use a Relic. The geminae are just her wargear so I really don't see them as able to use any relics either, since they're part of a named unit. It looks like the canoness is the only unit that can take it.

I'm on the fence about the Martyrdom stratagem triggering on 1 geminae dying. I think it currently fits the wording but will be FAQd quickly. I also read Martyrdom as triggering and AoF for the dying character, not the army itself. Who knows yet..

My bad about Seraphim Superiors and the relic. I have yet to play any of my armies apart from Sisters in 8ed and have been blissfully unaware of the criteria for such things. Thanks for pointing it out, I don't have to make that mistake in a game now. It does require a character who can purchase a power sword you then upgrade to the relic with CP correct? So its only available on the Canoness?

Even if Martyrdom triggers on losing a Geminae, you would have to remove her twin and Celestine from the board to use the Strategem, so would you want too?

 dracpanzer wrote:
It does require a character who can purchase a power sword you then upgrade to the relic with CP correct? So its only available on the Canoness?

If your army is led by an <Adepta Sororitas> Warlord, then you get a relic for free. Other armies can get extra relics by using a Strategem, but no such Strategem exists for sisters, so the only way to get a Blade of Admonition is to have the <AS> Warlord. Note that's Adepta Sororitas specifically, Adeptus Ministorum won't count.

The screenshot I saw actually had no prohibitions against giving the blade to named Characters, but that may well be a general provision earlier in the book. Given that this restriction is common to every other relic pool, I think it's a safe bet that Celestine & friends will not be able to take it, whether by the book or via later errata.

That leaves the Canoness as the only eligible Character who can take a power sword. Which seems just fine, 49 points for a 4A S5 AP-3 D3 melee combatant with WS2+ and re-roll 1s is quite a bargain.

Does the relic have to go to the warlord? I'm in the habit of running 2 Canonesses at 2k, 1 in the back as warlord with the heavy bolters and one up front with power sword and Inferno pistol. Can my forward character carry the relic even if she isn't WL?

 MacPhail wrote:
Does the relic have to go to the warlord? I'm in the habit of running 2 Canonesses at 2k, 1 in the back as warlord with the heavy bolters and one up front with power sword and Inferno pistol. Can my forward character carry the relic even if she isn't WL?

Anyone can carry the relic as long as they meet the requirements. It doesn't have to be your warlord.

At least it makes a Canoness a not-entirely-terrible choice.

I played by friend twice with his Tyranids and wiped him both times.

Thus far the Carnifex has impressed me (dont know what it costs but I damn sure learned what it can do). Nothing else impresses me. I feel like they have more potential than previous because they definitely bit back hard, but I did not fel the game was in doubt at any point.

So I am somewhat unconvinced that a lot of changes are needed to account for them. I think volume of fire is still totally solid against Tyranids and I think that flamers are especially effective against their "-1 to hit" shenanigans.

I know I will fight progressively tougher versions but so far nothing has struck me as overly dangerous. Except Carnifex's. they are good. Probably Exocrines too.

Melissia wrote:At least it makes a Canoness a not-entirely-terrible choice.

I agree.
My lists also run two Canoness by default. Giving the relic to my forward Canoness seems like a no-brained.
Something else that has my mind racing; rules for fortifications. Will a Sisters Bastian make a return? How about an Ageis Line? Could that reject from Inquisitor 54 mm actually be good?