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chaos0xomega wrote:


In this post: a guy complaining about monopose plastics by pointing out the "superiority" of monopose metal minis.

Hate to burst your bubble dude, but having 155 different sculpts or whatever doesn't make them non-monopose minis, nor does it make them superior to plastics.

:(
I'm not pointing out the superiority. I'm saying there was more variety than people think there was, and that it's ironic since just a few years ago people were saying that the great benefit of plastic kits is the multiposeability and variety, and yet now, here we are: a handful of monopose plastic miniatures that are less varied than the ranges of metal miniatures of old...

I know you've been around long enough to have lived through this change yourself and seen the attitudes I'm referring to. (In fact, I'm pretty sure you and I have talked in other forums in the past (eBay? Yahoo's CCM group? Portent/Warseer? Some BFG forum somewhere?))

FWIW I like these orks quite a lot, monopose or not... I don't think I've complained about them at all.
In fact, there's a possibility that deep inside, I prefer monopose models (which is why I loved metal models back in the day, and I've amassed a large number of Deathguard because of their monopose variety).

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

I'm going to laugh and laugh if it turns out that Old World is 15mm. I've had that suspicion for ages now, and I get shouted down by the "Nuh-uh, it's totally 28mm!!!!" crowd every time I mention it.

The Cadian upgrade sprue is awesome. I think my favourite part is the obvious print lines on the special weapons...


Aside from being monopose kits, I love the Beast Snaggas.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
'Oh you want a mega armoured Warboss?
Well yeeeesss we can help with that!
Oh, what's that? We gave the model a weapon which will invalidate everyone's' existing models?
Ooh how silly of us!'

A weapon is an easy fix. It could have been worse... instead of a Mega Armoured Warboss, they could have released six different monopose 'Warboss in SupaDupa Armour' kits...

The new Cadian sprue looks a'ight, and if it were being sold as a pure upgrade I'd be a little stoked. It driving up the cost of the infantry squad box (Which I still remember as a $40 box of 20 guardsmen.) will be rough. Should buy a couple more boxes at the current price before it gets added unless you want plasma in every squad.

I'm very happy that they're not scrapping the modular nature of the current Cadian minatures though. I love that about them.

And the Orks look like barbarous vile xenos to die before my flamers, so that's good.

I will say this about multipart vs monopose; monopose is generally superior in terms of the individual models, and gives better variation on poses. But multipart models are easier to kitbash and convert and that should be worth something. People ignore the actual virtue of multipart models and pursue this fantasy that 28mm multipart models can actually be posed in a bunch of different ways when really it’s just a few variations on how the torso is turned from the legs, how high or low the gun is aiming in the same direction, the direction the head is turning, and whether the pistol is pointing up in the air, towards an enemy, or something... and maybe the angle the close combat weapon arm is angled. Admittedly though kits like the chaos space marine raptors kit offered a bit of variety for poses and dynamic looks of the models, but it really doesn’t look that different with posing for most models, especially generic infantry.

The real magic of multipart models is variations of interchangeable parts and ease of converting, not the posing. Converting ETB/monopose models isn’t impossible but i is more work than I am willing to do comparatively.

angryboy2k wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:


In this post: a guy complaining about monopose plastics by pointing out the "superiority" of monopose metal minis.

Hate to burst your bubble dude, but having 155 different sculpts or whatever doesn't make them non-monopose minis, nor does it make them superior to plastics.

:(
I'm not pointing out the superiority. I'm saying there was more variety than people think there was, and that it's ironic since just a few years ago people were saying that the great benefit of plastic kits is the multiposeability and variety, and yet now, here we are: a handful of monopose plastic miniatures that are less varied than the ranges of metal miniatures of old...

I know you've been around long enough to have lived through this change yourself and seen the attitudes I'm referring to. (In fact, I'm pretty sure you and I have talked in other forums in the past (eBay? Yahoo's CCM group? Portent/Warseer?))

FWIW I like these orks quite a lot, monopose or not... I don't think I've complained about them at all.

Sorry, I'm just getting fed up with the "debate" about monopose/multipose plastics and you were a convenient "target" for my rage I guess. I think the arguments against GW minis are overblown - GWs plastics are better quality and more detailed than they have *ever* been, and in large part thats because monopose comes with serious mold engineering benefits that allow them to pack greater levels of detail and hide things like mold lines, etc. that wouldn't otherwise be possible. There are advantages and disadvantages to both for sure, but the multipose side is IMO being pretty damned silly about the whole thing. Thats not to say I don't necessarily miss certain aspects of the multipose approach, but 99.9% of the advantages inherent to them have nothing to do with unique/dynamic posing of the models themselves and instead are centered around ease of convertability and interchangeability with other kits.

But yeah, I've been around on all of those other places over the years

macluvin wrote:
I will say this about multipart vs monopose; monopose is generally superior in terms of the individual models, and gives better variation on poses. But multipart models are easier to kitbash and convert and that should be worth something. People ignore the actual virtue of multipart models and pursue this fantasy that 28mm multipart models can actually be posed in a bunch of different ways when really it’s just a few variations on how the torso is turned from the legs, how high or low the gun is aiming in the same direction, the direction the head is turning, and whether the pistol is pointing up in the air, towards an enemy, or something... and maybe the angle the close combat weapon arm is angled. Admittedly though kits like the chaos space marine raptors kit offered a bit of variety for poses and dynamic looks of the models, but it really doesn’t look that different with posing for most models, especially generic infantry.

The real magic of multipart models is variations of interchangeable parts and ease of converting, not the posing. Converting ETB/monopose models isn’t impossible but i is more work than I am willing to do comparatively.

I do think there is a potential that gw is moving toward less homogenized parts / mono pose in order to cut down on the ability for 3rd party producers to make alternatives and bits for their miniatures.

Anyone else getting the feeling the mystery reveal will be another animation trailer?

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

I'm going to laugh and laugh if it turns out that Old World is 15mm. I've had that suspicion for ages now, and I get shouted down by the "Nuh-uh, it's totally 28mm!!!!" crowd every time I mention it.

15mm Old World would actually make me care about the "Old World." Though...I doubt it. I mean, If I want to play 28MM fantasy, I'll just play with my AoS models which are far superior in terms of rules and models anyway. Brining back the Old World is weird because I highly doubt even 10% of the people they pissed off when they blew it up will come back. New fans are going to say "I've already bought into AoS, and have round based models, why do I need squares?" To be honest, I'd personally have rather had the resources being wasted on brining back the Old World spent on new AoS factions/Updates to existing factions, or given to the specialist games team for things like AT, AI, and possibly things like BFG or Epic.

 insaniak wrote:
The Cadian upgrade sprue is awesome. I think my favourite part is the obvious print lines on the special weapons...

They tend to use printed versions of the kit to paint for box art or display purposes due to advance times on printed materials vs actually producing the sprues. I remember the plastic valkyrie kit had the resin fw version painted up and used for the box art.

Not interested in monopose orcs.

I'm stunned by the Cadian update.

So now they can increase the price of a 20 year old kit with a lazy upgrade sprue. Great. This could mean no IG update for another 10 years, or maybe they're just keeping the grognards (who like their squat mutants) happy for now and will eventually release some 'not Cadians'.

Togusa wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

I'm going to laugh and laugh if it turns out that Old World is 15mm. I've had that suspicion for ages now, and I get shouted down by the "Nuh-uh, it's totally 28mm!!!!" crowd every time I mention it.

15mm Old World would actually make me care about the "Old World." Though...I doubt it. I mean, If I want to play 28MM fantasy, I'll just play with my AoS models which are far superior in terms of rules and models anyway. Brining back the Old World is weird because I highly doubt even 10% of the people they pissed off when they blew it up will come back. New fans are going to say "I've already bought into AoS, and have round based models, why do I need squares?" To be honest, I'd personally have rather had the resources being wasted on brining back the Old World spent on new AoS factions/Updates to existing factions, or given to the specialist games team for things like AT, AI, and possibly things like BFG or Epic.

Total Warhammer has brought a lot of interest back into the old world setting

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

I'm going to laugh and laugh if it turns out that Old World is 15mm. I've had that suspicion for ages now, and I get shouted down by the "Nuh-uh, it's totally 28mm!!!!" crowd every time I mention it.

Same. On some level I feel like I started it, when the first news about The Old World broke I made some comments here, on reddit, facebook, and in a couple other places to the effect of "it would be awesome if the game was warmaster scale", etc. - like *immediately* after the news broke, within seconds - I was one of the first to comment on the various social media posts and forum threads, etc. *Immediately* I was getting shouting down by arseholes insisting that the only thing it ever possibly could be is legacy 28mm in the exact same scale as the original (never mind the fact that GW doesn't actually design 28mm minis anymore and all their new releases going back 5 or so years have been in the 32-35mm range).

Personally - I don't really care what scale its in, I want a 10-15mm scale game because I like minis of that scale, theres a big hole in the market for fantasy minis in that scale range, and im of the opinion that its the largest scale at which you can do a mass battle rank and file/rank and flank minis game (yes I know there are games that do it at 28mm, I've played or tried many/most of them, I find them to be overwhelmingly mediocre as they have to make a lot of sacrifices to work with the large footprint that blocks of infantry and cavalry occupy on the table). If it is a 28+mm scale game, I'll probably still buy it anyway. My stance has never been that the game will be one scale or another, only that there is the possibility that it might be in a scale other than 28mm, and I would welcome it openly if it was... the "purists" out there, on the other hand, can't seem to approach the discussion in good faith and see no other possibility but 28mm - the worst of whom seem to think that GW is actually just going to re-release all the legacy WHFB minis and life is going to go back to "normal" as if they were never discontinued in the first place.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Sorry, I'm just getting fed up with the "debate" about monopose/multipose plastics and you were a convenient "target" for my rage I guess. I think the arguments against GW minis are overblown - GWs plastics are better quality and more detailed than they have *ever* been, and in large part thats because monopose comes with serious mold engineering benefits that allow them to pack greater levels of detail and hide things like mold lines, etc. that wouldn't otherwise be possible. There are advantages and disadvantages to both for sure, but the multipose side is IMO being pretty damned silly about the whole thing. Thats not to say I don't necessarily miss certain aspects of the multipose approach, but 99.9% of the advantages inherent to them have nothing to do with unique/dynamic posing of the models themselves and instead are centered around ease of convertability and interchangeability with other kits.

We've possibly got similar viewpoints on this in a way. The monopose kits bring back some of what I loved about the best of the metal range: we get better-looking figures that are well-posed and beautifully detailed and less hassle to put together than a bunch of disparate parts that are a compromise between pose and physical fit. The old Necron warriors are a great example of how multipart models offer zero advantage over near-monopose plastics; they are a pain to put together and in the end your army doesn't look any better or more varied than the current unposeable warriors.

I think the bigger issue is less with the models and more with the rules. GW's decision to eliminate rules for models that no longer exist is a real shame and makes the monopose range a bit of a bitter pill. If people who wanted to could still chop figures up and actually be able to field them, maybe they'd not be as bothered by the monopose range.

I doubt it will be 15mm, but it'd be quite the surprise!

As for the orks, they look decent. Still not fan of the new pale green they paint them in, but they definitely look better than the 20yo kit.

The guards...just what the heck were they thinking.

IHateAoS wrote:
Not interested in monopose orcs.

I'm stunned by the Cadian update.

So now they can increase the price of a 20 year old kit with a lazy upgrade sprue. Great. This could mean no IG update for another 10 years, or maybe they're just keeping the grognards (who like their squat mutants) happy for now and will eventually release some 'not Cadians'.

Simmer down there. There are literally clear examples of new Guard models in the Rumor Engine pictures. It may not be Cadians, it could be a guard version of Snaggas. "Cawls Defense Forces" or something like that which could be taken by any regiment, but have special equipment and better training. Also, while the upgrade sprue might seem lazy, I'm already seeing extremely positive reactions to it online and irl. It's smart by business standards and extends the life of the models.

 Sledgehammer wrote:

macluvin wrote:
I will say this about multipart vs monopose; monopose is generally superior in terms of the individual models, and gives better variation on poses. But multipart models are easier to kitbash and convert and that should be worth something. People ignore the actual virtue of multipart models and pursue this fantasy that 28mm multipart models can actually be posed in a bunch of different ways when really it’s just a few variations on how the torso is turned from the legs, how high or low the gun is aiming in the same direction, the direction the head is turning, and whether the pistol is pointing up in the air, towards an enemy, or something... and maybe the angle the close combat weapon arm is angled. Admittedly though kits like the chaos space marine raptors kit offered a bit of variety for poses and dynamic looks of the models, but it really doesn’t look that different with posing for most models, especially generic infantry.

The real magic of multipart models is variations of interchangeable parts and ease of converting, not the posing. Converting ETB/monopose models isn’t impossible but i is more work than I am willing to do comparatively.

I do think there is a potential that gw is moving toward less homogenized parts / mono pose in order to cut down on the ability for 3rd party producers to make alternatives and bits for their miniatures.

Thats a good part of it, alongside upscaling the minis from 28mm to the new 32-35mm ish standard (which is mostly to combat the use of 3rd party fantasy/scifi/historical minis as stand-ins for Age of Sigmar/fantasy and their guard range). The aftermarket/3rd party industry has been kind of slow to realize it, and competitors in the plastics space (like warlord and mantic) can't easily make the adjustment as many manufacturers are reliant on intercompatability with other ranges owing to the costs of building out an entire range of minis in a reasonable timeframe.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Togusa wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

I'm going to laugh and laugh if it turns out that Old World is 15mm. I've had that suspicion for ages now, and I get shouted down by the "Nuh-uh, it's totally 28mm!!!!" crowd every time I mention it.

15mm Old World would actually make me care about the "Old World." Though...I doubt it. I mean, If I want to play 28MM fantasy, I'll just play with my AoS models which are far superior in terms of rules and models anyway. Brining back the Old World is weird because I highly doubt even 10% of the people they pissed off when they blew it up will come back. New fans are going to say "I've already bought into AoS, and have round based models, why do I need squares?" To be honest, I'd personally have rather had the resources being wasted on brining back the Old World spent on new AoS factions/Updates to existing factions, or given to the specialist games team for things like AT, AI, and possibly things like BFG or Epic.

Total Warhammer has brought a lot of interest back into the old world setting

To the setting, yes. But will that translate to model sales? I do not know and I have my doubts that it will. I've spent a lot of time in the Total War community and I've seen hundreds of people talking about how cool Warhammer models are, but then saying "can't afford, will just play the video game, it's good enough." So there is a bit of "remains to be seen" in there I think for how well it will do sales wise. If it works, it works.

There is still the matter of the gaping hole in that particular market niche. GW seizing on that with a beloved old IP would not be unreasonable.

angryboy2k wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Sorry, I'm just getting fed up with the "debate" about monopose/multipose plastics and you were a convenient "target" for my rage I guess. I think the arguments against GW minis are overblown - GWs plastics are better quality and more detailed than they have *ever* been, and in large part thats because monopose comes with serious mold engineering benefits that allow them to pack greater levels of detail and hide things like mold lines, etc. that wouldn't otherwise be possible. There are advantages and disadvantages to both for sure, but the multipose side is IMO being pretty damned silly about the whole thing. Thats not to say I don't necessarily miss certain aspects of the multipose approach, but 99.9% of the advantages inherent to them have nothing to do with unique/dynamic posing of the models themselves and instead are centered around ease of convertability and interchangeability with other kits.

We've possibly got similar viewpoints on this in a way. The monopose kits bring back some of what I loved about the best of the metal range: we get better-looking figures that are well-posed and beautifully detailed and less hassle to put together than a bunch of disparate parts that are a compromise between pose and physical fit. The old Necron warriors are a great example of how multipart models offer zero advantage over near-monopose plastics; they are a pain to put together and in the end your army doesn't look any better or more varied than the current unposeable warriors.

I think the bigger issue is less with the models and more with the rules. GW's decision to eliminate rules for models that no longer exist is a real shame and makes the monopose range a bit of a bitter pill. If people who wanted to could still chop figures up and actually be able to field them, maybe they'd not be as bothered by the monopose range.

Yeah, the whole "if it has rules it needs a mini, and if it has a mini it needs rules" approach has, to some extent, killed a lot of the creativity in the community. I miss this aspect of the game and the hobby, but I think in some part the shift in approach on GWs end has been a driving force in the growth of the "Inq 28" community/subculture, which is starting to bare fruit by way of games like Sludge and Turnip 28, etc. To be honest, I think its a win/win, as I think the Inq movement has moved in directions that it probably would not have moved in if GWs games were the wide open blank canvas that they used to be when I first got into it, and I think as games 40k/AoS, etc. are mechanically better off by eliminating some of the "variability" that arose as a result of some of the more out-there conversions and stand-ins that people used to work into the game.


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 BertBert wrote:
There is still the matter of the gaping hole in that particular market niche. GW seizing on that with a beloved old IP would not be unreasonable.

By which you mean the 10-15mm hole? Yeah - 28mm fantasy on the other hand is a crowded field, and part of hte reason GW abandoned it was because it was not only crowded but in the long run they ended up helping their competitors sell minis as stand-ins to their own. The shift to monopose, as another poster pointed out, as well as the aforementioned scale shift would cut back on that to some extent if GW wanted to re-enter that market, but I don't think it would be worth it, especially not when theres basically an entirely untapped market that they could otherwise fill.


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Also, I can't find that "TOW1eaks" twitter account, either whoever created it deleted it after posting or its just a doctored photo (or I really suck at twitter, thats possible to)

VonGerrow wrote:
The new Cadian sprue looks a'ight, and if it were being sold as a pure upgrade I'd be a little stoked. It driving up the cost of the infantry squad box (Which I still remember as a $40 box of 20 guardsmen.) will be rough. Should buy a couple more boxes at the current price before it gets added unless you want plasma in every squad.

I'm very happy that they're not scrapping the modular nature of the current Cadian minatures though. I love that about them.

And the Orks look like barbarous vile xenos to die before my flamers, so that's good.

It is kind of good that they are not making everyone's painted guardsmen look outdated with new models.
Existing players can add in from the new kit here and there and maintain consistency. Just my thought, being a bit
uptight visually myself.

chaos0xomega wrote:


By which you mean the 10-15mm hole?

Exactly. Back when ToW was announced and first discussions about it possibly becoming the new Warmaster started here, my initial take was that it makes no sense to make it 28mm because it would only cannibalize AoS sales.

Large part of why WHFB failed in the first place was that you had to spend unreasonable amounts of money to fill your regiments (which was then compounded by the rules basically mandating 40+ sized blocks). Scaling the game down would erase that issue and people would actually be able to achieve that rank and file look with hundreds of units, which also happens to mirror what people see in TW:Warhammer.

It all just fits, but I'm sure there is a lot more to it which I'm not privy to.

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

After getting people interested in WHFB via the video games only for those people to find out the setting is gone and knowing that people really miss WHFB and a, they announce that they're working on a big project that'll see a return to the beloved setting. They tease that and hype it up with things like a teaser even showing the classic square bases again. They show entirely new units and factions while mentioning it'll be a somewhat similar project to WHFB as what The Horus Heresy is to W40K, going on about how it's a big thing and they know people are excited to see a return. They do all that for well over a year.....and then suddenly go "Oh, we forgot to tell you, this isn't really anything to do with the WHFB game! This is closer to a Warmaster reboot than WHFB, woops!"? I think that would be quite absurd if it turns out to be the case.

The rumour keeps getting repeated but I don't see how it makes any sense at all, really.

I'm guessing the guard upgrade sprue will only increase the guard kit price minimally, and also be available on it's own on the gw website, like the titanicus questorus knights and their upgrade sprue. Went up by $5 when the sprue was added.

I dunno, GW's success comes from the detailed models, not the rules, and you can't really do that in 15mm scale; either you include detail and it's impossible to paint for most people and a huge pain even for those with incredible brush control, or you don't and it looks bland. And either way, the miniatures always look bad because again it's too small to do proper shading on so nothing looks like it's reflecting light in the right way. 15mm also makes stuff like conversions much more difficult, again because everything is just too small. Basically 15mm takes most of the hobby out of the hobby.

A big part of the reason epic died is that the scale didn't allow for the hobby side of the game.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
The Cadian upgrade sprue is awesome. I think my favourite part is the obvious print lines on the special weapons...

They tend to use printed versions of the kit to paint for box art or display purposes due to advance times on printed materials vs actually producing the sprues. I remember the plastic valkyrie kit had the resin fw version painted up and used for the box art.

Yeah, before 3D printing was a thing, they used to use resin prototypes for the studio models. Presumably now they just print off the studio versions...

 lord marcus wrote:
I'm wondering why they are called "colour" shapers, when they are a sculpting tool, but I can do some research and figure it out.

They were originally a painting tool, that was adopted by sculptors.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Mr. Grey wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

I'm going to laugh and laugh if it turns out that Old World is 15mm. I've had that suspicion for ages now, and I get shouted down by the "Nuh-uh, it's totally 28mm!!!!" crowd every time I mention it.

Same. On some level I feel like I started it, when the first news about The Old World broke I made some comments here, on reddit, facebook, and in a couple other places to the effect of "it would be awesome if the game was warmaster scale", etc. - like *immediately* after the news broke, within seconds - I was one of the first to comment on the various social media posts and forum threads, etc. *Immediately* I was getting shouting down by arseholes insisting that the only thing it ever possibly could be is legacy 28mm in the exact same scale as the original (never mind the fact that GW doesn't actually design 28mm minis anymore and all their new releases going back 5 or so years have been in the 32-35mm range).

Personally - I don't really care what scale its in, I want a 10-15mm scale game because I like minis of that scale, theres a big hole in the market for fantasy minis in that scale range, and im of the opinion that its the largest scale at which you can do a mass battle rank and file/rank and flank minis game (yes I know there are games that do it at 28mm, I've played or tried many/most of them, I find them to be overwhelmingly mediocre as they have to make a lot of sacrifices to work with the large footprint that blocks of infantry and cavalry occupy on the table). If it is a 28+mm scale game, I'll probably still buy it anyway. My stance has never been that the game will be one scale or another, only that there is the possibility that it might be in a scale other than 28mm, and I would welcome it openly if it was... the "purists" out there, on the other hand, can't seem to approach the discussion in good faith and see no other possibility but 28mm - the worst of whom seem to think that GW is actually just going to re-release all the legacy WHFB minis and life is going to go back to "normal" as if they were never discontinued in the first place.

I would love it if The Old World was GW's entry into 15mm, fantasy tabletop wargaming. And Warhammer Total War being as popular as it is just seems to make this even more likely - what better tie-in to the video game than actually being able to play those battles out on the tabletop at a more "realistic" scale? By which I mean way more regiments than a typical 28mm WHFB game could ever field. At 15mm, you could do it far more easily.

Large part of why WHFB failed in the first place was that you had to spend unreasonable amounts of money to fill your regiments (which was then compounded by the rules basically mandating 40+ sized blocks). Scaling the game down would erase that issue and people would actually be able to achieve that rank and file look with hundreds of units, which also happens to mirror what people see in TW:Warhammer.

It all just fits, but I'm sure there is a lot more to it which I'm not privy to.

Good points all around. Imagine being able to spend, say, $100 and get half of a huge Orc and Goblin army all in one go, at 15mm scale. And so far, GW has been very careful to not declare anything more than "It'll be on square bases". Well.. you could fit a decent sized 15mm night gobbo regiment on a 50mm square base, I bet...

GW is having enough trouble keeping up with their current games, especially since the pandemic started, they don’t need another big mass battle game set in the old world. Most of the people who were interested in playing WHFB moved on to 9th age, and having quite a few friends that now play it, I doubt they would move back.

If the did something in 15mm that was different I could see the niche for it.

Or if they really wanted to go back to the Old World, just hit up a Mordheim reboot. It’s basically the Old World distilled to it’s strongest form. Plus it would only need a few plastic kits as opposed to whole armies being redone.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 BertBert wrote:
The dream is alive, folks.

They tease that and hype it up with things like the teaser even showing the square bases again

You do know that plenty of games in the 2mm-15mm range use square bases... right? Like, I don't get this logic or hangup, "NOOOO GW PROMISED US SQUARE BASES, THAT MEANS 28MM!". FFS, Epic was on square and rectangular bases and that was 6mm.

They show entirely new units and factions while mentioning it'll be a somewhat similar project to WHFB as what The Horus Heresy is to W40K, going on about how it's a big thing and they know people are excited.

I will point out that the only "The Horus Heresy" branded game thats getting consistent support form GW at the moment is actually Adeptus Titanicus. I think FW is still putting out occasional 28mm HH/30k releases, but its been a couple years at least since it seems like anyone at GW actually really gave a damn about that game in particular. In a general sense, GW seems to use and understand "The Horus Heresy" as a sub-brand/sub-label which encompasses a variety of games and product lines (see also: persistent rumors that the revamped Battlefleet Gothic will likewise be a Horus Heresy product line) more than they do one specific game, its entirely possible when they said "it will be to AoS as The Horus Heresy is to 40K" what they were actually saying is that The Old World will be the fantasy equivalent of the Horus Heresy sub-brand, rather than the fantasy equivalent of the Horus Heresy 28mm tabletop wargame.

"They do all that for well over a year.....and then suddenly go "Oh, we forgot to tell you, this isn't really anything to do with the WHFB game! This is a Warmaster reboot, woops!"?

They were pretty clear that the only thing they had actually figured out for TOW at the time of the announcement was the name and nothing else, and that the were only just starting to work on development, etc. Any reasonable minded individual would have interpreted that to mean "literally anything is possible" rather than "this is a WHFB reboot", because if it was a WHFB reboot they would have outright stated it as such.

If it is TOW in 15mm I'm down if not no dice.

I'd rather it be plastic 30k tho