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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos






Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

She didn't even hear a word I said. I've not "harassed" them at all. Me speaking here is not harassment, as it is not directed at them.

At least DM wised up and is using untraceable numbers now.

"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
 
   
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St. Louis Missery... Erm... Missouri

I do believe that is verifiable harassment... You didnt ask them to call you and they had to actively seek out your comments on your own opinion here......

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Tamworth, UK

Resin Forge Store :
Second part will never happen. You ran us into the ground, we tookd care of people at that very event, people here talked abotu selling us extras and the few pictures we have were taken with US in them.


Hang on..... Not one of your so called 'resellers' has come forward to corroborate your claim, and also:
quote=Gamma310 526190 5685526 null]
Art Steventon wrote:Dome - it just seems.... odd that a piece of information such as not being able to get the Fulgrim's due to others being warned off hasnt been mentioned previously - surely you see this?

It's a pretty vital snippet that would have solved quite a few murmurs against RF (and would have been in their benefit).


Yes it would have helped them. As far as I know they have tried to get people selling their Fulgrim. The contacted them in advance by FB and made a meeting point. But only one of those who saif he would sell his Fulgrim showed up there


So which is it Daniel? Did you buy Fulgrims or not? Becuase the screenshot above alludes that you did, whilst your bigger fan says your sellers were scared off?

How so?
   
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Old Sourpuss






Lakewood, Ohio

 Ammobunkerdean wrote:
I do believe that is verifiable harassment... You didnt ask them to call you and they had to actively seek out your comments on your own opinion here......


Harassment (/həˈræsmənt/ or /ˈhærəsmənt/) covers a wide range of behaviours of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.

Calling him telling him to stop making remarks about him? Sounds like DM is intentionally doing this, he's not accidentally calling your house from an anonymous number telling you to stop.

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Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

I honestly wanted to speak with "Kim" and hash out some stuff, but she didn't let me get a word in and just spouted her rehearsed line at me.

Care to try again Kim?

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Somewhere in south-central England.

To be fair, it can be quite difficult and expensive in the modern age to prove who you are.

The way to do it would be to go to a notary public and swear out an oath confirming your identity, supported with appropriate documents (passport, bank statements, birth certificate and so on). You then get a very impressive document bound up with red tape and sealing wax, counter-signed by the notary. This can be used to confirm your identity by showing it to people who needed to know.

I had to do all that to buy my house in Japan. It is quite a high cost and the proof cannot be sent electronically, so it would not do for this case.

However a Texas business registration would at least prove the legal status of the company and would cost nothing, apart from the registration fee.

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Lakewood, Ohio

 Kilkrazy wrote:
To be fair, it can be quite difficult and expensive in the modern age to prove who you are.

The way to do it would be to go to a notary public and swear out an oath confirming your identity, supported with appropriate documents (passport, bank statements, birth certificate and so on). You then get a very impressive document bound up with red tape and sealing wax, counter-signed by the notary. This can be used to confirm your identity by showing it to people who needed to know.

I had to do all that to buy my house in Japan. It is quite a high cost and the proof cannot be sent electronically, so it would not do for this case.

However a Texas business registration would at least prove the legal status of the company and would cost nothing, apart from the registration fee.


Does anyone here in the states know how one goes about getting picked up by the Better Business Bureau? I know that you need to seek out the BBB, but if ResinForge were to do that it would give claims to their legitimacy. I don't know the requirements needed to get picked up by them, but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt

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New Orleans, LA

You don't get picked up by the BBB. You register and give them moneys to get accreditation. You have to be in business for a full year and have "sound business practices". So, that's a tough hurdle for SOME people to jump.

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It's also worth pointing out that a "Business ID" or a "Corporate Registration Number" is a different number than a "Tax ID"...

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Lake Forest, California, South Orange County

The BBB only governs companies that are "members". They have very little real authority and are not a government agency.

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Lakewood, Ohio

I figured that the person with the business would have to apply, but if they were to apply to the BBB, would that not give them some legitimacy of being a business? Governing agency or not, the BBB should have some requirements, like a business registration number? Which they could provide to them and then not have to provide it to us...

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New Orleans, LA

They do require licensing information on that form I linked to, but I'm not sure if that's the same as a Tax ID or what.

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 Aerethan wrote:
I honestly wanted to speak with "Kim" and hash out some stuff, but she didn't let me get a word in and just spouted her rehearsed line at me.
Care to try again Kim?

So they are harassing you with phone calls complaining about harassing? Interesting!

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 Ammobunkerdean wrote:
It's also worth pointing out that a "Business ID" or a "Corporate Registration Number" is a different number than a "Tax ID"...


They are not the same but in some instances one can be be used interchangably.


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 Kroothawk wrote:
 Aerethan wrote:
I honestly wanted to speak with "Kim" and hash out some stuff, but she didn't let me get a word in and just spouted her rehearsed line at me.
Care to try again Kim?

So they are harassing you with phone calls complaining about harassing? Interesting!


It seems like they are just trying to placate any doubts but really are not allowing for any discussion...I don't see any kind of harassment here, just stubborness.

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Somewhere in south-central England.

In Texas the business has to be registered with the county or state. The exact format depends on the kind of business. It is different to a tax registration, which is for the convenience of the tax authorities.

The purpose of a business registration is to confirm the legal identity of the business and its proprietors or directors, so that members of the public can know they are not dealing with some fly-by-night possible scam artist.

The BBB would not accredit a business that was not registered.

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UK (England)

RF this mess is all down to you. Why didn't you set up your business the right way within the law of the land.

RF you made a BIG deal about going to the HH weekender and how you were going to cover the event. But we got nothing. Oh just black out the faces on the so called 8 pictures that were taken, or post pictures of other proof that shows a "team went to the event".

Or RF/or whoever is there. Grow some balls and stop lying.

 
   
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TERRA

Oh just black out the faces on the so called 8 pictures that were taken, or post pictures of other proof that shows a "team went to the event".


11 pictures

   
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Biloxi, MS USA

 Inquisitor S. wrote:

You know, it's like with lemmings.


In this analogy, is DM the Disney film crew flinging the Lemmings off the cliff?

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UK (England)

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
Oh just black out the faces on the so called 8 pictures that were taken, or post pictures of other proof that shows a "team went to the event".


11 pictures



Yes sorry 11 pictures. lol

 
   
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Sunny SoCal

You gotta wonder... how were they both in all 11 pictures... they went to the event and never hit the picture button themselves, they ONLY handed their camera to random strangers to take pictures of them giving a thumbs up in front of miniatures???

That makes sense.

So does going to a mini event and a mini enthusiast and not taking close up shots of.... drum-roll... minis! Not only that, it's the gak you are gonna try to sell immediately to your customers, it's your business!

No Daniel, it makes absolutely, completely, and totally no sense whatsoever, and since you refuse to show these completely non-sensical pics with faces blacked out, I call you liar sir.


   
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Biloxi, MS USA

I wonder that myself, MT. Also wonder why it's only 11 pictures. When I went to Games Day 2000(it's the only one I took a camera to), I used a roll and a half of film during the event. Of those pictures, I'm in a total of 3. We're not talking about a family vacation here, we're talking about a nerd event where people go to see models, talk to the designers/authors, and hear about the new exciting things coming out. Why would you even want to be in every single picture you take there when you're most likely to take pictures of the toys, tables, and panel guests?

I can see a couple(you with a certain guest, you playing a game maybe), but ALL? And wouldn't you want more than a measly 11 pictures to remember it, even if it isn't the main reason you're in Britain(remember, they claim to have just happened to be visiting other people and it coincided)?

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TERRA

In this analogy, is DM the Disney film crew flinging the Lemmings off the cliff or are we?


Don't know who you are, we are the ones watching the lemming leader giving speeches and acting in a generally weird fashion while he is urging his fellow lemmings on to throw themselves down the cliff for the glory of the leader.

Yes sorry 11 pictures. lol

DM is very eager that all his statements are quoted correctly. You don't want to be "liable", do you?

In general his tone seems to become more erratic, if anything. "Silly forums". Really?


As for "Joshua Exe", the guy who supposedly bought all the "sold" conversions: his profile seems genuine. Quite established. Not like a puppet account.

   
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Biloxi, MS USA

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
In this analogy, is DM the Disney film crew flinging the Lemmings off the cliff or are we?


Don't know who you are, we are the ones watching the lemming leader giving speeches and acting in a generally weird fashion while he is urging his fellow lemmings on to throw themselves down the cliff for the glory of the leader.


Sorry, came across a bit wrong. It's a snipe at Disney for feeding that stupid legend with White WIlderness when they mashed up footage of a lemming migration and lemmings being flung off a cliff by a turn table that the crew placed lemmings on.

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Akron, OH

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
In this analogy, is DM the Disney film crew flinging the Lemmings off the cliff or are we?


Don't know who you are, we are the ones watching the lemming leader giving speeches and acting in a generally weird fashion while he is urging his fellow lemmings on to throw themselves down the cliff for the glory of the leader.


Lemmings do not do this.
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Gran Brettan

 MajorTom11 wrote:
You gotta wonder... how were they both in all 11 pictures... they went to the event and never hit the picture button themselves, they ONLY handed their camera to random strangers to take pictures of them giving a thumbs up in front of miniatures???


Thank God all those other people that went to the event and posted their photos are such terrible photographers !!!! they completely failed to get themselves in any shots and just took photos of a bunch of dumb models

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TERRA



40K Lemming Cultists under the influence of Resin dust could though Now let's see how long it takes till RF publishes a post saying that Lex makes wrong analogies.

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New Orleans, LA

 MajorTom11 wrote:
and since you refuse to show these completely non-sensical pics with faces blacked out, I call you liar sir.



Careful. Daniel Mandelbaum might make a sock puppet facebook account, post horrendous things on his own Resin Forge Store facebook page, and then tell the world how horrible MajorTom11 is to him.

Allegedly.

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It should say a lot about the person you're dealing with that the claim he would set up a fake facebook account to harass himself is believable.
   
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New Orleans, LA

 xole wrote:
It should say a lot about the person you're dealing with that the claim he would set up a fake facebook account to harass himself is believable.


He may or may not have done that here.

Also, I just saw this post from Dreadclaw: linky

He shows that the Hive Mind account was made at 6:30 PM CST on June 4th. Tuesday night is RPG night for my group. I was at my friend Joe's with 5 other people at 6:00 PM CST, playing Pathfinder.

So, there's that.

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Lakewood, Ohio

 kronk wrote:
 xole wrote:
It should say a lot about the person you're dealing with that the claim he would set up a fake facebook account to harass himself is believable.


He may or may not have done that here.

Also, I just saw this post from Dreadclaw: linky

He shows that the Hive Mind account was made at 6:30 PM CST on June 4th. Tuesday night is RPG night for my group. I was at my friend Joe's with 5 other people at 6:00 PM CST, playing Pathfinder.

So, there's that.


And any good dnd/pathfinder/role player would know that all devices get turned off at the table.

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