Blackadder's attempt to build the BOLS Warlord Titan

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**The_Blackadder**

Anvildude wrote:
Not to mention, when 3d printers become ubiquitous, the forms are already there ready to be printed.

I'm a Blender guy myself. I'll admit that Blender doesn't handle curves and surfaces quite as intuitively as other programs, though- heck, even Lightwave does curves better.

Yet another reason for me to not render my Warlord into 3D; Ha!

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F**k this auto append!!!!

My Two Cents:

There's nothing wrong with buying models, I've bought many in my time but the cost of models and resin models in particular has skyrocketed over the past few years and something must be done (at least in my case 'cause my kids gotta eat....) to offset the dollar drain. I offered an alternative and try to show what can be done when your budget won't allow dumping thousands of hard earned dollars on miniatures. A good case in point are the incredible Russian 40K forums that specialize in paper craft; producing high quality FW models out of paper. I learned a lot from joining those sites and believe me many of the artists there would put any one of us to shame with their skill at reproducing models indistinguishable for the resin originals. Now FW has offered what I consider a pretty mediocre $2000 dollar Warlord capitalizing on their name and rep. The model is nothing more than an undersized up scaled 'Knight' titan with very little innovation and imagination in it's execution and presentation (cripes couldn't they show it as a side by side with a Reaver and Warhound???? They wouldn't dare because it's too small!!! A minimum of 26 inches by their own formula is the requisite size for a Warlord and theirs computes 3 inches deficient.......). I'm thankful that I built my own Warlord but had they offered a reasonable production Mars Warlord uncompromised in size and grandeur I would have had my order in already.

**The_Blackadder**

E.L.M.E.R. Gantry:

I've been thinking of making a base for my titans ever since I built them instead putting them on a shelf. I was walking past a neighbor's house the other day and they were throwing out one of those cheap plastic shelf units and there it was, the perfect setting for my titans with room enough for three.

http://i.imgur.com/XXzuZ9F.jpg

The unit is tall enough to accommodate the Warlord with swing away arms overhead cranes and with a few girders, and staircases, safety rails, and intermediate maintenance platforms this could make the ideal display stand /display case.

http://i.imgur.com/XUz53ZD.jpg

With lighting, maintenance vehicles, and personnel this could be quite a focal point in my den.
http://i.imgur.com/v1LCohL.jpg

Now I need a group of descriptive words for the acronym E.L.M.E.R.

Any ideas?

**mxwllmdr**

Elevated large machine evaluation and repair bay.

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E.L.M.E.R. Bay.

**The_Blackadder**

mxwllmdr wrote:
Elevated large machine evaluation and repair bay.

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E.L.M.E.R. Bay.

Oh that's good but we don't need 'bay' as it's a Gantry

I was thinking along the lines of 40K machine god and Empire Leagos Mechanicus but I like your's very much. So what do you think of the concept?

**Dr H**

So, you're going to turn a set of shelves, on which you will store your titans, into a maintenance area diorama?

I'm sold. Do it.

**The_Blackadder**

It was only last week I purchased some Evergreen "I" beams with the thought of starting to build the gantry and these shelves give me a ready made head start.

Decked out with 40K machinery and icons etc plus the very technical aspect of the decks already; I think it could be an imposing structure plus I really want a walkway to that rear door and some maintenance guy on a scaffold cleaning the cockpit windscreens. Ha!

**master of asgard**

Lol you're crazy mate, in the best possible way! If anything she deserves the best.

**The_Blackadder**

Everybody says "In a good way" must be so...

Got it:

EXTRAVEHICULAR LEGIOS MECHANICUS EVALUATION & REPAIR Gantry

Thanks for all the suggestions, I got the two 'E's '&'

**mxwllmdr**

Yes. Go with yours. Love the concept.

**MagosBiff90**

What an original.. yet totally bonkers idea! .... again...... "in a good way"

I have scenes and images from the "Space Marine" console game in my head now. I m sure you wont need it but having a look at the "invictus" stage of the game might throw out some useful ideas...

**The_Blackadder**

MagosBiff90 wrote:
What an original.. yet totally bonkers idea! .... again...... "in a good way"

I have scenes and images from the "Space Marine" console game in my head now. I m sure you wont need it but having a look at the "invictus" stage of the game might throw out some useful ideas...

I haven't looked at the SM Invictus video for quite some time but I seem to recall large overhead crane hooks and cables suspended from tracks on the ceiling of the VAB and umbilical cables and stage walkways leading to various areas of 'Invictus' which might work.

What I need is 28 MM maintenance personnel and vehicles to augment the diorama.

Anyone have a source suggestion?

**master of asgard**

**The_Blackadder**

master of asgard wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Titans/TITAN_CREW_ON_FOOT.html

Pricey, but food for thought

Thanks for all your work.

Gagoc The Ancient;422211 wrote:BlackAdder, found something on Natfka you might be interested in.
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warlord-titan-comparisons-from.html

Finally a comparison shot and thank you. It's what I have always thought since first seeing the new titan (and pretty much the mistake I made when I did a concept study of my Warlord in scrap plastic paneling):

Written 2010/8/16 when I had just started my Lucius Warlord...........

Whew, were has the summer gone? I had hopes of rendering the basic structure and working on the detail this winter but no such luck plus there are serious errors in scale comparing the the body to the legs and waist. Just to prove the Blackadder is as fallible as they come here is my effort thus far ridiculously out of proportion. The legs are easily 2 to 4 inches too short and the model as it stands is only 19 inches tall. By adding 4 inches to the legs and topping the carapace with the void shield generator housings that should bring it to the goal height of 28 inches.

The difference is I recognized my mistake.

When I build this ( The FW Warlord) I shall lengthen the legs at least 3 inches..........

**fiorehellheart**

The_Blackadder wrote:

When I build this ( The FW Warlord) I shall lengthen the legs at least 3 inches..........

So you expect to buy one despite your misgivings about it?
Are you intending to re-plate it in Lucious style akin to the work on your Reavers?

**The_Blackadder**

No, since I already have the definitive Lucius Warlord I'm going to keep it as a Mars because I like the intricacy of the FW kit. I have someone that will be giving me dimensions as he builds the new kit beginning this weekend and if the main armament barrels are not too small I shall probably be buying a kit. It all hinges on those dimensions.

It was your comparison that put me onto stretching the legs which will bring the FW Titan into the range of my Warlord BTW.

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E.L.M.E.R. Gantry:

I took a week of to arrange my work area as things were getting pretty messy with all the projects going at once and I was rapidly running out of work space.

I did manage to cut out the intermediate deck of the E.L.M.E.R. Gantry (EXTRAVEHICULAR LEGIOS MECHANICUS EVALUATION & REPAIR Gantry) to receive the fully assembled Warlord; the gantry takes up all my paint work table space and hopefully when finished will provide both a display diorama fitting for such a construct plus a safe container to house the model in in one piece rather than separate the hull from the legs to prevent toppling as I do now.

http://i.imgur.com/atyfd1n.jpg

Something seems wrong with the focus on my camera but in the images presented ther is the new beginning of the command deck hologram tactical display plus a Space Marine for scale.

http://i.imgur.com/zaIi3OR.jpg

**Vintersorg**

Can't remember if was posted before, but you might enjoy this, Blackadder.

**The_Blackadder**

Thanks, is that the removal of the Princep from the Warlord head sketch? I seem to recall seeing it somewhere before.

**Vintersorg**

The princeps is walking out on his on legs =).

In that picture they are just repairing battle damage.

Both images are from Adeptus Titanicus, the 1988 game.

**The_Blackadder**

That's not the Princep on the lifesupport crèche slightly left of center?

**Vintersorg**

Nah, it's the repairing crew. The princeps is walking down the stairs.

Apparently the design has remained pretty much the same until now.

**The_Blackadder**

Seven of nine was a Princep!!!!!!!!!!

Seven of nine:

drool!

**The_Blackadder**

Some Thoughts on My Warlord Titan Hangar:

The following is in answer to a post on another forum but it pretty well delineates my intentions regarding this construction:

Granted in it's initial state being fresh (Ahem; figuratively speaking) out of the recycling bin it is little more than a set of cheap plastic shelves but yes I am going to add beam mounted e.g.

four way overhead track traveling cranes with electromagnetic lifting heads (Rare earth magnets) on all four levels for moving heavy components.

and:

Plus catwalks aplenty, recessed tracks for small cranes, and hangar support vehicles, oodles of suitable pseudo-religious 40K artifacts, tech priest enclaves, and I'm hoping to find 28 MM ground maintenance personnel and a few Sentinel Heavy Lifters to dress up the hangar.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.............

Don't forget, my Lucius Warlord was once just so many styrene sheets and recycled bottlecaps... Ha!

My goal is to make a stable display stand/diorama for my titan to be stored in when not in play as while it does have the capability of standing unaided for days on end it has toppled over on occasion incurring time consuming repairs. I'd prefer not to have to be continually rebuilding it. Plus this will make a handy storage/display area for my other two titans as well.

**Anvildude**

Um, what the heck happened with your post? There's like, 3 or 4 identical posts all mixed together here like a badly shuffled deck of cards.

**The_Blackadder**

Check it out now I recopied and pasted the post as it was written.

**Anvildude**

There we go. Much less.. strange.

**The_Blackadder**

An Interesting Image:

Found this comparison image on the internet and superimposed the skulls which are virtually the same size.

One might extrapolate based on this image that the Lucius Warlord stands taller than the Mars by a considerable amount.

**MagosBiff90**

The_Blackadder wrote:
An Interesting Image:

Found this comparison image on the internet and superimposed the skulls which are virtually the same size.

One might extrapolate based on this image that the Lucius Warlord stands taller than the Mars by a considerable amount.

IMHO this could quite easily be a plausible explanation! Forge worlds light years apart.... and potentially thousands of years following the development of the Mars pattern...... it would seem fine that they look to improve on the original STC design... maybe to combat or counter against a specific threat posed in that sector of space...?

Slightly off topic and just my thoughts..... but the Lucius pattern is certainly the better-er-er of the 2 patterns. Somehing about the square armour and heavier box look that just makes it more believable for me! ......

Love the ideas for the hanger bay... limitless possibilities! Maybe even lifts / passenger elevators within the main structure of the "shelves" ....

**Anvildude**

I think the issue with the Mars pattern is that those sorts of curved, organic shapes don't really upscale very well. It's more and more difficult to get large curves surfaces from single pieces as you get bigger, and the Mars' armour plates are all smooth, single pieces. The Lucius' armour is properly segmented, and angular plates are a lot easier to manufacture at that scale.

**Commander Cain**

For inspiration for the hanger I would look no further than the one featured in the Space Marine videogame. Not only does it look suitably impressive but already fits with the description you gave for it. I'm sure there is a YouTube clip of the scene somewhere for more angles but I cannot seem to find it anywhere...

More pics:

Spoiler:

**lliu**

That's very nice! Check out the warlord titan on Forgeworld's website.