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really good luck with it
because this is a hell of a task
(i AND my brother already putted 8 man-hours in a selfmade super heavy tank,size baneblade.2, and were not even halfway)

I think the grey cylinder in the first picture is from a cities of death kit.

The Dreadnote wrote:I think the grey cylinder in the first picture is from a cities of death kit.

This is correct!

if you look closley there's plenty of 40K details added, building aquilas/butresses just back from the bottom russ wheels, the bottom of the rear leg is a dozer mount from the IG acsessories, rear engine block is cities of death parts with the building uprights removed.

28-30" height is also my opinion for scale, it seems to fit in well with the FW scale models. Also means you get a titan that fit's onto a 40K board leaving room for the rest of the army and not ending up with a foot on it as many of the larger attempts leave you with. I'd recomned starting with legs and getting them sturdy on the base, then building the feet around these as detail. Also consider if it needs to come apart for transport.

I also worked off this model and an epic one when i built my warlord. It is on a very small budget (less than a leman russ!!!!). Take a look, links in my sig. I'm assuming you have more money than i did and would suggest using foam core for a strong structure. I used card which is holding up fine so far but do wish i'd made the effort to find the extra cash and time now. I think the secret to getting a good looking one is getting the proportions as accurate as you can, i've seen a couple of quite detailed attempts in the past which look a bit daft as the legs are a bit under sized.
Good look, will be subscribing to this!

Like you need to know what bits are what, you'll just plastic card everything into perfection anyway.

I cannot wait to see you get this project underway. The Warlords I have built are also 28" tall. This is a very good height I think it fits well with most of the sources. I would be happy to provide you with some of the measurements I used to create my Warlords, although I am not ready to part with my complete plans at this time.

For 28" height, the full height of the turrets and the gun barrels on it's carapace is counted too, right?

You have my attention now and I don't think you're going to loose it any time. Good luck mate

@J-Roc77: Is it as cunning as a fox that was appointed professor of cunning at Cambridge university but ha since moved on to other things?

This is looking good, have you read titanicus by dan abnet? That gives a really good idea about how titans really work

I knew it.. Having buildt a Warhound, you are eager to test your skills on a Warlord, completely ignoring the Reaver class..

Well, Blackadder, I wish you the best of luck, and in bad times, go to the DakkaDakka/Warseer forums and get some nice uplifting words from us guys..

Somewhere between the Lucius Pattern Warhound and the Lucius Pattern Warlord lies the Lucius Pattern Reaver. Personally the Lucius Reaver doesn't do it for me; something about the sloping shoulders give it a wimpy round shouldered look. If I build a Reaver (We all should live so long.) it will have more robust looking shoulders.

Today I commenced building the Titan's feet (What is it with The Blackadder and feet; has he a foot fetish???) anyway the feet are infinitely easier than the Warhound's given there are virtually no moving parts that I can discern anyway. The material I am building with believe it or not is polystrene interior beaded paneling.

Similar to this:


I had some scrap left over from the laundry room paneling (Enough to build half a dozen Titans) and it welds together well with Testors styrene cement. I've got 4 disc pads and the cross pad toes cut out and they are drying as I type. The paneling is 1/4 inch thick so a double interlocking assembly will give the strength needed to support the superstructure and provide a basic structure for the detail. Instead of using foam core poster board I think I will use this material for the whole structure; it's strong light and easy to cut with a cheap table saw and Dremel scroll saw.

Images to follow after I finish gluing,

EB

now the great thing about re-creating something is that you get to put your own twist on it so in all theory it has the potential to be better.....

I personally believe that its going to take a lot of geometry skills to get the scale and the main structure built correctly. But once you get the shape worked out then its on to details and I think that is going to be most of your actual time that you spend on this is detailing it. But if you nail it i expect this could be the talk of the net!!!!

I wish you the best of luck and will be following this

Nice pull with the paneling. I've spent the last year re-modeling and have discover many things which can help or be used in the small scale endeavors! I'll have to look for this stuff next time I'm at the hardware store.

Have you seen the CNC router that Stanley put out a couple of years ago it is not cheap but it would make duplicate shapes in a jiffy.

amazing, just amazing... anyway i could commission you for one?

This isn't Dave's famous titan, but it is a pretty good lookin scratch build, and it has plenty of WIP shots that may help you out a bit.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=16343&st=0

Not much to show for the first weekend's work. The dirty little secret is I built the toes too big and had to cut them down. That and installing windows in the side of my house ate up a lot of time. On the plus side these feet assemblies are very strong:

Don't let the moulded bead put you off I will skin the foot pad with thin styrene.

Thanks to all the posters, I hope I warrant such unbridled enthusiasm.

He'd better finish this one,

The Blackadder

Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background

CrashUSAR wrote:This isn't Dave's famous titan, but it is a pretty good lookin scratch build, and it has plenty of WIP shots that may help you out a bit.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=16343&st=0

Nice, that thing looks more detailed. I'm not very impressed with the small single piston to actuate the feet. That is something I would do on mine, add the pistons that would really be needed. Knowing how BA builds, he'll be trying to make the thing walk.

Flinty wrote:Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background

I thought about that, but void shields sort of nullify the 'hit something important' bit. While anything powerful enough to get through them is going to do significant damage no matter where it hits.

Good luck, I will follow this thread.

Morgrim wrote:

Flinty wrote:Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background

I thought about that, but void shields sort of nullify the 'hit something important' bit. While anything powerful enough to get through them is going to do significant damage no matter where it hits.

Void shields can't always stay up. Indeed, if I recall aright they're supposed to shut down rather than overload their storage capacitors; only once they've dumped the accumulated energy can they be brought back up. Until then having the kind of armour that wouldn't be out of place on a planetary defense installation helps keep things from exploding.

Nurglitch wrote:

Morgrim wrote:

Flinty wrote:Hmm.. an epic project.. good luck, sir

To all those wondering why paint a titan in camo, ponder this. You may not be able to hide the titan itself but my painting it in a disruptive pattern it makes it a hell of a lot harder to discern the vital worky bits (generators, joints, etc) from the armour plating. Camouflage isn't just about hiding things against a background

I thought about that, but void shields sort of nullify the 'hit something important' bit. While anything powerful enough to get through them is going to do significant damage no matter where it hits.

Void shields can't always stay up. Indeed, if I recall aright they're supposed to shut down rather than overload their storage capacitors; only once they've dumped the accumulated energy can they be brought back up. Until then having the kind of armour that wouldn't be out of place on a planetary defense installation helps keep things from exploding.

That seems pretty realistic- especially in titan vs. titan combat, where those shields go down reeeeaally quickly. This sucker has to be able to take down whole packs of Warhounds, which will require staying upright while taking on several targets in turn.

Just read Titanicus. It's a great introduction to Titan on Titan combat.

Savnock wrote:This sucker has to be able to take down whole packs of Warhounds, which will require staying upright while taking on several targets in turn.

You'd be surprised how easily packs of Warhounds take down the larger variants.

The_Blackadder wrote:Pic Caption - A lot of this model will be scrounging the appropriate bitz

Well Blackadder, if I have any of the bits that you need and I can spare them they shall be winging their way to you. I reckon that the community owes you something for the great tutorial that you gave us on how to scratch build a warhound!! The scary thing is how much time and effort it takes, but to get top quality results you need effort.

Keep up the great work, hope you have some ankles soon!!

The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:

28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. Howver 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.

Orlanth wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:

28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. Howver 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.

Dave Smith's Warlord (the pictures from the OP) is strictly based off the ratios from the Epic Warlords. He was talking about how he made it at my local GW before an apoc game.
His was by far the closest to scale Warlord I have seen, and by far the best Warlord for that matter!

s.j.mccartney wrote:Well Blackadder, if I have any of the bits that you need and I can spare them they shall be winging their way to you. I reckon that the community owes you something for the great tutorial that you gave us on how to scratch build a warhound!! The scary thing is how much time and effort it takes, but to get top quality results you need effort.

Time shouldn't be an issue, I'm just slow. As for effort, most of the mistakes are resolved and legwork is done so you shouldn't fall into the same pitfalls that confounded me. Anyone attempting to copy my work should have clear sailing albeit the tedious work on the feet and toes. That will require hunkering down.

Keep up the great work, hope you have some ankles soon!!

Funny you should mention that as I mounted the ankle disks last night. BTW thanks for the offer of the bitz; I may take you up on it.

Orlanth wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:

28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. However 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.

I think those titans that exceed a meter in height look ridiculous; hell I even have trouble justifying 28 inches but the d--ned thing just looks so great I can' resist attempting it. OP?

Buttlerthepug wrote:

Orlanth wrote:

The_Blackadder wrote:I'm guessing 28.0 inches is a pretty good height for a Warlord afterall judging by most of the images I've found on the web. This one seems to be a good representative of the consensus of opinion:

28" might be an average because many Warlord are three of four foot tall. Howver 24" is the proper height for a Warlord. Still 28" is pretty close allowing for whart else I have seen. The pictures in the OP are way too big though.

Dave Smith's Warlord (the pictures from the OP) is strictly based off the ratios from the Epic Warlords. He was talking about how he made it at my local GW before an apoc game.
His was by far the closest to scale Warlord I have seen, and by far the best Warlord for that matter!

Exactly why I chose to copy it, but I want the legs to be pose-able on mine.

I wish he'd post some more images of the construction although I suppose he doesn't want a lot of copies floating around.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,

EB

Vladsimpaler wrote:Good luck!

For the life of me I can't figure out why the Titan in the picture has camouflage though.

You'd think they paint them rainbow so people are like, wtf when they see them. But no, they want it to be disguised as a mountain. Whatever. I love seeing that vindicator piece on the back of it.

Wow almost a month has go by since I started this thread; talk about dragging one's feet (groan).

At any rate I assembled the basic foot shape and they look okay to me so today I started on the lower legs. Mind you This is just a prototype dry run to see if the proportions are correct. If they are so much the better and they will become the basic structure for the styrene skin and appropriate gewgaws and bells and whistles. If not I may be able to salvage the work with layers of styrene which will serve to strengthen what is already a sturdy construct.


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TyraelVladinhurst wrote:amazing, just amazing... anyway i could commission you for one?

No but you can follow along in this step by step guide. I'm going to try to post each day's work as it happens and supply my best guess dimensions so any who wish can reproduce the results. I'm going slowly because I have a lot of other stuff to do this Summer.

Besides What would you be willing to pay? I might reconsider,

The avaricious Blackadder


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jabbakahut wrote:

CrashUSAR wrote:This isn't Dave's famous titan, but it is a pretty good lookin scratch build, and it has plenty of WIP shots that may help you out a bit.

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=16343&st=0

Nice, that thing looks more detailed. I'm not very impressed with the small single piston to actuate the feet. That is something I would do on mine, add the pistons that would really be needed. Knowing how BA builds, he'll be trying to make the thing walk.

I missed your post somehow. I hesitated to make the same objection as I do live in a glass house but I do see that one of the major faults of scratch built models is that the hydraulic cylinders are almost always on the small and thin side. That is where you have to give the FW engineer/artists credit; they do appreciate the scale necessary for the actuating components.

As for walking, nahh! even NASA has scraped the two legged ambulatory robot.You see; the dynamics of walking necessitate throwing your CG in front of your step so you have to throw your trailing foot forward to keep from . Try walking and not doing that and you'll see what I mean, so the engineering is not worth the dubious advantages......

but it will be pose-able you can count on that.

More photos coming,

EB

Man I've come a long way today and here are the pictures to prove it. As I suspected this will be an easy model to build as the joints are large and easy to assemble. I am going to use steel bolts and nuts for the axles on the joints. To re-pose the model will be as simple a losening the bolts posing and re-tightening the bolts. This will be necessary as the model will probably weigh quite a bit when finished. Anyway here are the legs tack glued together just for scale and Lucie standing by likewise.