Necron rumor & pics summary in 1st post (now with 2nd wave pics!)

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**Kendo**

At least the cryptek has the single eye of the deathmarks, so with a bit of mixing and matching left over bits you might be able to make plastic ones from the destroyer and lychguard or praetorian kits. That pose is just a bit too 'funky' for my tastes and not nearly as threatening and grim as the cover art make Necrons out to me.

**tetrisphreak**

By the looks of that Cryptek model, It looks like one of our boxes for sale will be Immortals/Deathmarks/Crypteks, so plenty of extra leftover bits for warrior conversions. If that is how it pans out, that is.

edit - Has that cryptek been confirmed as resin instead? If so, my bad.

**masterofstuff1**

Wow, that cryptek is interesting,

I dont really like it but i wont judge till i get to paint it

**plastictrees**

The Cryptek looks good. Also, if it turns out that A: people need lots of Crypteks and B: Deathmarks aren't very good in game; at least you'll have lots of Deathmark heads to convert Crypteks from warriors/immortals.

**whigwam**

Is it just me...or does that Cryptek have a really long chin? I didn't think I saw it on the cover art, but..now I'm seeing chin.

**NecronLord3**

I actually really like it. The more with the cyclops face the better IMO.

**CthuluIsSpy**

NecronLord3 wrote:

I actually really like it. The more with the cyclops face the better IMO.

You know, now that I think of it, he actually looks a bit like a fimir

**IdentifyZero**

alphaomega wrote:
UltraPrime wrote:Why are people shocked that the Tomb Stalker isn't in the codex? Did the SM and IG codexes include the newest FW models and I just missed it?

IG got the Hydra, Manitcore, Valkyrie, Griffon and various Leman Russ variants which used to (and some of still are) FW only.

Space Marines did also get the drop pop another item that used to be FW only.

Not to forget Tyranids getting the Trygon.

Some of the recent codexes have had units that either are or were FW only. The Tomb Stalker would have been a rather kool thing to have been able to take without Apoc or arguments in standard games.

A lot of the new FW Space Marine or IG stuff came out after the codexes got released. And a lot of the recent stuff is super heavies which would unbalance the game a lot.

Drop Pod was in the codex in 3rd edition pal. Only a Forge World model existed for it. Until GW released the plastic one.

Ergo, the Drop Pod was a Normal Unit in a normal codex that only had a forgeworld model to represent it.

**puma713**

Anpu-adom wrote:
Ysclyth wrote:I have not had the best experience with finecast DE. Besides the gobs of flash to remove, and the crater filling, thin pieces regularly arrived in the box unattached or missing.

Wracks- lots of flash, chains missing
Lelith- Chin and stomach detail filled with craters
Archon- ok except for one head had that orange rubber in the eye (possible but difficult to remoce)
Haemi- fine
Succubus- Head missing.

I got replacements or my money back in most cases. But still, a bit perplexing as the cost is higher than metal or plastic.

I'm sure initially we will see the same issues with Necron finecast. But also have faith that the process is being finetuned and perhaps the finecast will be much cleaner next time around.

Sorry, this has been preached to death on other forums, but I'll add it here too.
The increased cost comes down to this... Quality Control. When making metal models, the guys running the molds would have time to look at each of the metals as it was coming out. Any rejects went back into the melting pot with only a little wasted time. No so with resin. The speed of production has picked up because the resin sets faster. Not only that, is it harder to see problems (the flash seems to hide a lot), but when you do have rejects you can't reuse the material.

GW claims that the switch to Finecast wasn't about profit margins, but providing a better product at a more stable price. Translate that to mean: "We are as sick of price increases as you are and we need to stabilize our profit margin, so we are switching to resin. Here's a scraper and a bottle of liquid greenstuff you can buy. Deal"

And hence, the outrage. I mean, re-read your last sentence. "Here's a scraper and a bottle of liquid greenstuff you can buy." So, what you're saying is they switched to resin, because of Quality Control? I don't follow. Have you seen some of the errors in the product? They were so blatant, that they released products to fix their own mistakes. So, when the switch to a cheaper, less stable material that cannot be recasted and has certain flaws, you'd expect the price to drop. But no, not only did the price rise (for QC, as you're inferring, without any noticeable change in the actual QC. If anything, it seems worse.) but, they expect you to smile, buy the product and be happy that you're buying something inferior to what you could've bought 6 months ago at a discount. Not only that, but you should shell out the extra clams for tools to fix these mistakes.

Funny that you give them credit for wanting to stabilize their pricing. If that were true, why didn't they keep the Failcost minis at the same price point as their metal counterparts? Oh that's right, Quality Control. Have fun filling those bubbles that somehow slipped by.

**Anpu-adom**

whigwam wrote:Is it just me...or does that Cryptek have a really long chin? I didn't think I saw it on the cover art, but..now I'm seeing chin.

Hmm... at first I was a 'No... that's not...' but now that I look at it. In certain eras, pharaohs had those metal 'beard protectors' ... maybe?

**Kroothawk**

Some comments:

1.) Sad to hear that GW pulled the pics from BoW. Guess GW doesn't want any excitement about their new release. Would spoil their anti-marketing to artificially lower Necron sales.

2.) The Cryptek is the 4th Finecast blister of the first wave. The "longer chin" is a bow to the false beards of Egyptian pharaoes. The others Finecast blisters are Imotekh the Stormlord, Trazyn the Infinite and the generic Overlord (the other Overlord is the plastic one from the command barge). Here a size reduced version of the pic:

3.) There are two versions of scarabs: The current plastic ones on the warrior sprue and the old 2nd edition metal ones, that are again sold by GW and therefore not OOP.

4.) The BoW Megalith from the April's fools video is actually a Gormiti playset called "Supreme Luminous Temple":

**nectarprime**

Dat beard....

**Anpu-adom**

puma713 wrote:
Anpu-adom wrote:
Ysclyth wrote:I have not had the best experience with finecast DE. Besides the gobs of flash to remove, and the crater filling, thin pieces regularly arrived in the box unattached or missing.

Wracks- lots of flash, chains missing
Lelith- Chin and stomach detail filled with craters
Archon- ok except for one head had that orange rubber in the eye (possible but difficult to remoce)
Haemi- fine
Succubus- Head missing.

I got replacements or my money back in most cases. But still, a bit perplexing as the cost is higher than metal or plastic.

I'm sure initially we will see the same issues with Necron finecast. But also have faith that the process is being finetuned and perhaps the finecast will be much cleaner next time around.

Sorry, this has been preached to death on other forums, but I'll add it here too.
The increased cost comes down to this... Quality Control. When making metal models, the guys running the molds would have time to look at each of the metals as it was coming out. Any rejects went back into the melting pot with only a little wasted time. No so with resin. The speed of production has picked up because the resin sets faster. Not only that, is it harder to see problems (the flash seems to hide a lot), but when you do have rejects you can't reuse the material.

GW claims that the switch to Finecast wasn't about profit margins, but providing a better product at a more stable price. Translate that to mean: "We are as sick of price increases as you are and we need to stabilize our profit margin, so we are switching to resin. Here's a scraper and a bottle of liquid greenstuff you can buy. Deal"

And hence, the outrage. I mean, re-read your last sentence. "Here's a scraper and a bottle of liquid greenstuff you can buy." So, what you're saying is they switched to resin, because of Quality Control? I don't follow. Have you seen some of the errors in the product? They were so blatant, that they released products to fix their own mistakes. So, when the switch to a cheaper, less stable material that cannot be recasted and has certain flaws, you'd expect the price to drop. But no, not only did the price rise (for QC, as you're inferring, without any noticeable change in the actual QC. If anything, it seems worse.) but, they expect you to smile, buy the product and be happy that you're buying something inferior to what you could've bought 6 months ago at a discount. Not only that, but you should shell out the extra clams for tools to fix these mistakes.

Funny that you give them credit for wanting to stabilize their pricing. If that were true, why didn't they keep the Failcost minis at the same price point as their metal counterparts? Oh that's right, Quality Control. Have fun filling those bubbles that somehow slipped by.

Wow... you are an angry fellow, aren't you.

I'm sorry if my post made me sound like a GW-fanboy

... I'm not. I restated THEIR reasoning, and then interpreted it how I understand it. Like I said... this topic has been rehashed enough.

**IdentifyZero**

Anpu-adom wrote:
puma713 wrote:
Anpu-adom wrote:
Ysclyth wrote:I have not had the best experience with finecast DE. Besides the gobs of flash to remove, and the crater filling, thin pieces regularly arrived in the box unattached or missing.

Wracks- lots of flash, chains missing
Lelith- Chin and stomach detail filled with craters
Archon- ok except for one head had that orange rubber in the eye (possible but difficult to remoce)
Haemi- fine
Succubus- Head missing.

I got replacements or my money back in most cases. But still, a bit perplexing as the cost is higher than metal or plastic.

I'm sure initially we will see the same issues with Necron finecast. But also have faith that the process is being finetuned and perhaps the finecast will be much cleaner next time around.

Sorry, this has been preached to death on other forums, but I'll add it here too.
The increased cost comes down to this... Quality Control. When making metal models, the guys running the molds would have time to look at each of the metals as it was coming out. Any rejects went back into the melting pot with only a little wasted time. No so with resin. The speed of production has picked up because the resin sets faster. Not only that, is it harder to see problems (the flash seems to hide a lot), but when you do have rejects you can't reuse the material.

GW claims that the switch to Finecast wasn't about profit margins, but providing a better product at a more stable price. Translate that to mean: "We are as sick of price increases as you are and we need to stabilize our profit margin, so we are switching to resin. Here's a scraper and a bottle of liquid greenstuff you can buy. Deal"

And hence, the outrage. I mean, re-read your last sentence. "Here's a scraper and a bottle of liquid greenstuff you can buy." So, what you're saying is they switched to resin, because of Quality Control? I don't follow. Have you seen some of the errors in the product? They were so blatant, that they released products to fix their own mistakes. So, when the switch to a cheaper, less stable material that cannot be recasted and has certain flaws, you'd expect the price to drop. But no, not only did the price rise (for QC, as you're inferring, without any noticeable change in the actual QC. If anything, it seems worse.) but, they expect you to smile, buy the product and be happy that you're buying something inferior to what you could've bought 6 months ago at a discount. Not only that, but you should shell out the extra clams for tools to fix these mistakes.

Funny that you give them credit for wanting to stabilize their pricing. If that were true, why didn't they keep the Failcost minis at the same price point as their metal counterparts? Oh that's right, Quality Control. Have fun filling those bubbles that somehow slipped by.

Wow... you are an angry fellow, aren't you. I'm sorry if my post made me sound like a GW-fanboy ... I'm not. I restated THEIR reasoning, and then interpreted it how I understand it. Like I said... this topic has been rehashed enough.

Until I absolutely have to (And thank god, I do not, until 6th probably) I refuse to buy any of the Finecast products, not just due to the internet community but from the store owners I know complaining, my pals at GW whining and all my friends bitching about the bad blisters (A few people praised it, lucky for them I guess). I do see the point about Quality Control, as QC has gone down immensely at GW. I have some good news though, get a bad boxed set or blister? GW will send you a new one, simple as calling them up. They don't even take back the bad one. Just imagine, you now have the old one for conversions, cool right?

What it comes down to, the pewter casting from GW is pretty much gone.

Whether you like Finecast or hate it, it's here to stay.

So focus the discussion on Necrons dudes, come on!!!

**Kroothawk**

Some info from Bramgaunt over at Warseer directly:

Monolith, Warriors and Destroyers stay the same price and the same composition. 12 Warriors & 3 scarab bases.
Also, i haven't seen any mention of the Eternal Life rule, which allows whole units to get up again. No idea how it works, though.
(...)
Also, the Cryptec is slightly less expensive then the Overlords, the flayed ones however are 35€, thats 9€ more then rumoured.
(...)
35 ->Euro<-. 35 Euro for the Flayed ones. Not Pound. And Ferrox is correct, everything that's 20.50 gbp transtales to 26 Euro.
Ah, Immortals and Deathmarks ARE one kit. Just to clear this one out.

**lazarian**

Ruler of Chaos wrote:
zacharia wrote:Hi all, been lurking since the leaks for new necrons came in, finally got vaught up on the thread (yes i read it all lol)

First like many others want to say thanks for all th hard work giving us all this information to yak and kroot.

I have to say though im overall very saddened by what we know of the new codex so far and yes i DO prefer the old one.

1) I loved the old fluff of a legion of uniform ancient evil robots threatening everything - yes I can still play this in game play terms, but not in fluff terms as that simply isnt the case anymore (lots of fractured worlds not the single big threat).

2) main army i prefered (even though its not the best under current rules) is the warrior horde backed by a cple of monoliths (again its the whole fluffiness of the uniform legion etc)
With what we know of the new codex this list is severely weekened.

For example 2,200 ish of warriors/liths old dex (ignoring command for simplification) 2 monoliths 100 warriors
Now this dex both are cheaper but both have been nerfed

The same 2 liths and 100 warriors cost aparently around 1600, but:
the warriors are 1 save worse, 1 wbb worse, guns no longer auto wound on 6 no matter toughness
monoliths are easier to destroy, can no longer pull units from cc and no longer give wbb rerolls.

Now I can use the 600 ish points to add a lord and orb to each unit using the royal court, which brings them to about the same cost, but only brings thier wbb back upto the same (and can be removed by losing the lord as well), all the other nerfs are still there, so its a weaker army for the same points, when it was already not overly good before!

You are negating the fact of phase out being gone. seems like everyone is not taking that into consideration. And also, you should have to play a new codex different then the old codex.

I would also like to further add, unless your opponent was really new or suffering a massive head injury that army could not win a normal game of 40k then and probably wont now with new book/rules. If you want something competitive then look to the dozens of new options coming out in 2 weeks. If you still want to play the blanket force that dosent fair well against moderate to strong opponents, then your army is unchanged, plus moar warriors to boot!

**Howard A Treesong**

Funny how GW still won't admit they are even releasing Necrons. The pictures are all over the net, everyone knows. Their response?

I can understand them wanting to remove unofficial pictures, but to then not follow up with some sort of official release on their own site with high res pictures seems a bit odd to me.

Their reaction, virtually non-existent, seems to be hoping that the the genie can go back in the bottle until next month.

**Robbietobbie**

If immortals and deathmarks come out of the same set that would be brilliant. That'd make it ridiculously easy to convert warriors into deathmarks by replacing the heads and guns.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

The Cryptek sorta reminds me of that thin Necron lord thing from Technomancer's art.

**nurgl**

I'm not sure what to think of this. if anything i'm curious. I do like the variety with these new necrons, but retconing the c'tan like that makes me feel "eh" :(
i guess this is what you get when your codex is written by matt ward. but you know what, i'm going to stop worrying and roll with this.
but i am all for the two new transports, those are bitchin' ;p

**whoadirty**

Lt. Coldfire wrote:There are many different ways to grip a shaft in which angle and preference may play a role, so lets leave it at that and move on.

That's what she said.

**wyomingfox**

**G. Whitenbeard**

Cryptek looks good.

The only thing I'm not super pumped about is the new restriction on destroyer unit size combined with fact that heavy destroyers are now lumped in with regular destroyers.

**Ehsteve**

One thing I notice is that some weapons are described as selecting a 'random' model from the unit.

Now in a squad of 20 (or 30 in the case of Orks) how do you determine which 'random' model is removed? The amount of rolls to determine a single lost model become ridiculous and if it is instead 'target a model within a randomly determined group of similarly equipped models' suddenly I see a lot of sergeants being plucked out of units by strength tests (though only a chance, I think ICs are damned if they do/dont' join a squad).

**Hox**

Ehsteve wrote:One thing I notice is that some weapons are described as selecting a 'random' model from the unit.

Now in a squad of 20 (or 30 in the case of Orks) how do you determine which 'random' model is removed? The amount of rolls to determine a single lost model become ridiculous and if it is instead 'target a model within a randomly determined group of similarly equipped models' suddenly I see a lot of sergeants being plucked out of units by strength tests (though only a chance, I think ICs are damned if they do/dont' join a squad).

I would think in that case you would find something reasonable to do with an opponent. Maybe roll 2D6 and on like a 2 your IC is killed otherwise its a regular troop or in the case of different loadouts of guys in the squad (say 2/3 normal and 1/3 special weapons) then you would roll and on 1-4 a regular guy goes and on a 5/6 a special weapon drops. I'm sure there will be a proper and obscenely difficult way to do this with larger squads but if its casual I think simplicity will win out.

**Bezerker Saberhagen**

Howard A Treesong wrote:Funny how GW still won't admit they are even releasing Necrons. The pictures are all over the net, everyone knows. Their response?

I can understand them wanting to remove unofficial pictures, but to then not follow up with some sort of official release on their own site with high res pictures seems a bit odd to me.

Their reaction, virtually non-existent, seems to be hoping that the the genie can go back in the bottle until next month.

I think it's a bit of a disaster for their marketing strategy. If they had been running a normal strategy with a few things known to be in the works simultaneosly (and well in advance) then the leak wouldn't have been such a big deal.

As it is, they have a full scale campaign with all their marketing resources commited for another two weeks solely to promote Dread Fleet suddenly undermined when half or more of the the internet savvy customer base has something much more intersting (for them) to obsess over. If Dread Fleet sales underperform I suspect they will explicitly blame this leak but it's really just a self-inflicted weakness in their own marketing.

**kargenetic**

Hey Yakface, could you drip us some info on the fast attack? I've noticed a lot of talk about the capabilities of Destroyers now that they're no longer jetpacks, and I personally am dying to hear what the new Tomb Blades are able to do.

If not, thanks for all the rumors you've given us already. It's been awesome!

**dancingcricket**

Ruler of Chaos wrote:You are negating the fact of phase out being gone. seems like everyone is not taking that into consideration. And also, you should have to play a new codex different then the old codex.

I disagree on that last part. I don't think you should have to play a new codex differently than the new one for the same army. I'm of the firm belief that you should be able to play in exactly the same manner. I'm all for adding in new possibilities, but not taking out old ones. That particular playstyle may be what was attractive about the army in the first place.

**IdentifyZero**

dancingcricket wrote:
Ruler of Chaos wrote:You are negating the fact of phase out being gone. seems like everyone is not taking that into consideration. And also, you should have to play a new codex different then the old codex.

I disagree on that last part. I don't think you should have to play a new codex differently than the new one for the same army. I'm of the firm belief that you should be able to play in exactly the same manner. I'm all for adding in new possibilities, but not taking out old ones. That particular playstyle may be what was attractive about the army in the first place.

Based on everything I've read, I cannot see how your playstyle is changed.

Oh.. you meant you enjoyed having no chance against a decent player and now that your army will be good and able to win without fighting the short bus kids; you are upset?

I don't get it.. you're upset the army is becoming better, in every single way...? (Updated Lore, Updated Rules, Updated Units, Tons of new stuff....)

**NecronLord3**

I agree. In fact I noticed that my army from Adepticon 2010 would still be legal and actually could be competitive with the new 'Dex.