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I kind if feel bad for Orks, at least most other races can convert a Captain equivalent and it be pretty good, but Warbosses need to be bigger, which other than putting a converted Nob on a bigger base, not much way of doing that.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I kind if feel bad for Orks, at least most other races can convert a Captain equivalent and it be pretty good, but Warbosses need to be bigger, which other than putting a converted Nob on a bigger base, not much way of doing that.

Well then hew is cunnin but brutal, nothing wrong with that

Plus most people do warbosses in mega armor and use killa kans, dreadnoughts or Ghazzkull for that...

But multi part warboss kit would be ace, isn`t likely to happen though, as HQ never seem to get that treatment.

Here's what Orks are lacking according to the GW store;

We don't have a Warboss in Mega Armour model excluding Ghaz. Are they going to remove it from the codex?

We don't have a Warboss with Power Klaw model excluding Grukk. As above, are they to be removed from dex?

We only have a metal Warboss with Big Choppa.

We don't have a Warboss on Bike model excluding FW Zhadsnark.

We don't have a Big Mek on Bike model.

We don't have a Painboy on Bike model.

We don't have a Big Mek without the Shokk Attack Gun model.

Surely we're due an update on some of these.

So they'll either get models, or be removed from the game.

This is the "be careful what you wish for" aspect of the post-Chapterhouse GW.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Here's what Orks are lacking according to the GW store;

We don't have a Warboss in Mega Armour model excluding Ghaz. Are they going to remove it from the codex?

Mega Armor box has it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they'll either get models, or be removed from the game.

This is the "be careful what you wish for" aspect of the post-Chapterhouse GW.

If they remove all of them from the game they might as well remove Orks. We'd be without a generic HQ except for Big Mek in Mega Armour and Warboss with Big Choppa.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Here's what Orks are lacking according to the GW store;

We don't have a Warboss in Mega Armour model excluding Ghaz. Are they going to remove it from the codex?

Mega Armor box has it.

No, it doesn't. It has MegaNobz and Big Mek in Mega Armour, as stated all over the box.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Here's what Orks are lacking according to the GW store;

We don't have a Warboss in Mega Armour model excluding Ghaz. Are they going to remove it from the codex?

Mega Armor box has it.

No, it doesn't. It has MegaNobz and Big Mek in Mega Armour, as stated all over the box.

Yeah, okay. So you somehow can't build MegaNobz into Warbosses?

What in the box prevents you from doing so?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeah, okay. So you somehow can't build MegaNobz into Warbosses?

What in the box prevents you from doing so?

How do I distinguish between the two? Or are you telling me I must proxy, in this land of WYSIWYG?

Can a Terminator captain be built from the Terminator set?

Looks like I have to wait until August for some SW Primaris then… I was hoping that they would get an update around April May.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Can a Terminator captain be built from the Terminator set?

I'd say that depends. If you add bitz to fancy up the terminator suit, and paint it to make it stand out a little bit, I'd say sure you can. Just like I'd say you could to a MANz suit for a Warboss.

 Melissia wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Can a Terminator captain be built from the Terminator set?

I'd say that depends. If you add bitz to fancy up the terminator suit, and paint it to make it stand out a little bit, I'd say sure you can. Just like I'd say you could to a MANz suit for a Warboss.

According to the box art, assembly information and everything else in the MANZ box, (so according to GW) you can't.

The actual answer is "No, you can't." There is no miniature for a Warboss in Mega-Armour. You can kitbash your own, but the miniature does not exist. There is a miniature for a Terminator Captain, so that gets rules. If there was't, it wouldn't.

One only need look at the labyrinthine nonsense that is the Deathwatch weapons/restrictions to see how far no model = no rule gets you.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The actual answer is "No, you can't." There is no miniature for a Warboss in Mega-Armour. You can kitbash your own, but the miniature does not exist. There is a miniature for a Terminator Captain, so that gets rules. If there was't, it wouldn't.

One only need look at the labyrinthine nonsense that is the Deathwatch weapons/restrictions to see how far no model = no rule gets you.

Grandmaster Baby Carrier - they can do it - just they don't do it very often

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
According to the box art, assembly information and everything else in the MANZ box, (so according to GW) you can't.

There's nothing in there that explicitly says you can't, and decades of tradition of kitbashing Ork miniatures to make them look unique and interesting that says you can.

I would kick you out of my games if you attempted to bring that argument to my table.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The actual answer is "No, you can't." There is no miniature for a Warboss in Mega-Armour. You can kitbash your own, but the miniature does not exist. There is a miniature for a Terminator Captain, so that gets rules. If there was't, it wouldn't.

One only need look at the labyrinthine nonsense that is the Deathwatch weapons/restrictions to see how far no model = no rule gets you.

Custodes shield-captains don't have a mini, but you make them from the larger boxes. Tau XV8 commanders don't have a box but you make them from the larger squad. So I would say that you can in fact do the same with Nobz.

 Melissia wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
According to the box art, assembly information and everything else in the MANZ box, (so according to GW) you can't.

There's nothing in there that explicitly says you can't, and decades of tradition of kitbashing Ork miniatures to make them look unique and interesting that says you can.

I would kick you out of my games if you attempted to bring that argument to my table.

You must have missed all the 8th edition codices somehow.

If GW says it's not in the box, they are going to remove it from the codex.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Here's what Orks are lacking according to the GW store;

We don't have a Warboss in Mega Armour model excluding Ghaz. Are they going to remove it from the codex?

Mega Armor box has it.

No, it doesn't. It has MegaNobz and Big Mek in Mega Armour, as stated all over the box.

Yeah, okay. So you somehow can't build MegaNobz into Warbosses?

What in the box prevents you from doing so?

Nothing. But then again plenty of other stuff you can kitbash that gw removed. Gw doesn't support kitbashing. If you don't have specific kit on sale that's out. There is just one exception. No reason to think orks get one.

It's an awful decision to stop putting anything without a model in the books. Made me not bother getting any codexes last edition beyond one or two. Makes it feel less like "these are the rules for this fantasy space army" and more "these are the rules for playing with the toys we sell"

 Jidmah wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
According to the box art, assembly information and everything else in the MANZ box, (so according to GW) you can't.

There's nothing in there that explicitly says you can't, and decades of tradition of kitbashing Ork miniatures to make them look unique and interesting that says you can.

I would kick you out of my games if you attempted to bring that argument to my table.

You must have missed all the 8th edition codices somehow.

If GW says it's not in the box, they are going to remove it from the codex.

GW has been wildly inconsistent with this. They added the GMNDK in the Grey Knights codex without making a model for it, they added the Exalted Champion in the CSM codex without making a model for it, the Thousand Sons CSM sorcerers can take inferno bolters despite having to kitbash that... It's difficult to even prescribe a pattern to their behavior.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
According to the box art, assembly information and everything else in the MANZ box, (so according to GW) you can't.

There's nothing in there that explicitly says you can't, and decades of tradition of kitbashing Ork miniatures to make them look unique and interesting that says you can.

I would kick you out of my games if you attempted to bring that argument to my table.

You must have missed all the 8th edition codices somehow.

If GW says it's not in the box, they are going to remove it from the codex.

GW has been wildly inconsistent with this. They added the GMNDK in the Grey Knights codex without making a model for it, they added the Exalted Champion in the CSM codex without making a model for it, the Thousand Sons CSM sorcerers can take inferno bolters despite having to kitbash that... It's difficult to even prescribe a pattern to their behavior.

Don't forget that they also made the new Space Marine Lieutenant without any model for it (including a Lieutenant with Jump Pack). The Primaris Lieutenants also have the option for a Stalker Bolt Rifle without there being a model for it.

 Melissia wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
According to the box art, assembly information and everything else in the MANZ box, (so according to GW) you can't.

There's nothing in there that explicitly says you can't, and decades of tradition of kitbashing Ork miniatures to make them look unique and interesting that says you can.

I would kick you out of my games if you attempted to bring that argument to my table.

It's irrelevant what you think or how you'd react. GW are the bosses and they have dictated that the MANZ box does not have a Mega Armoured Warboss within. Their rules, not mine.

Or would you find offense if I said one of Gretchin models was actually a Gargantuan Squiggoth? Sure the size is a little off and it doesn't look like one, but there's nothing in that kit that explicitly says I can't, right?

I like how you're all trying to detract from the main point by focusing on whether we can use a model to sub in for another. There's a massive list of missing HQs for the Orks and GW need to do something about it. Here's the list again in case you missed it;

I wrote:We don't have a Warboss in Mega Armour model excluding Ghaz. Are they going to remove it from the codex?

We don't have a Warboss with Power Klaw model excluding Grukk. As above, are they to be removed from dex?

We only have a metal Warboss with Big Choppa.

We don't have a Warboss on Bike model excluding FW Zhadsnark.

We don't have a Big Mek on Bike model.

We don't have a Painboy on Bike model.

We don't have a Big Mek without the Shokk Attack Gun model.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So they'll either get models, or be removed from the game.

This is the "be careful what you wish for" aspect of the post-Chapterhouse GW.

The truly hilarious thing is that some units that DID have models (albeit very old and OOP ones) got removed.

Chaos Lords on Palanquins and Juggernauts and IG Rough Riders being two rather distinct ones.

So you're not even safe if you have a model!

And if you do, hell, your wargear might not even be safe....see Eldar Autarchs and their literal FAQ response to them as GW forgot the Finecast autarch had a bucketload of options while their plastic one has none!

Dandelion wrote:
Custodes shield-captains don't have a mini, but you make them from the larger boxes. Tau XV8 commanders don't have a box but you make them from the larger squad. So I would say that you can in fact do the same with Nobz.

Invalid comparison. The former two kits specifically include parts and state that you can make Shield Captains/XV8 Commanders from the parts included. Nobz do not have that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dandelion wrote:
Custodes shield-captains don't have a mini, but you make them from the larger boxes. Tau XV8 commanders don't have a box but you make them from the larger squad. So I would say that you can in fact do the same with Nobz.

Invalid comparison. The former two kits specifically include parts and state that you can make Shield Captains/XV8 Commanders from the parts included. Nobz do not have that.

So all they have to do is tell you that you can. Nobz and Warbosses share the same gear more or less, just include it in the directions. Done.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dandelion wrote:
Custodes shield-captains don't have a mini, but you make them from the larger boxes. Tau XV8 commanders don't have a box but you make them from the larger squad. So I would say that you can in fact do the same with Nobz.

Invalid comparison. The former two kits specifically include parts and state that you can make Shield Captains/XV8 Commanders from the parts included. Nobz do not have that.

Correct. H.B.M.C knows.

As has been said, GW is more likely to remove something than create a model for it. The fact that odd ones slip through, like the Dreadknight Grand Master or even something as far back as the Valk Vendetta, are just exceptions to the rule.

But it's not a new model. It's repurposing an existing model. XV8 commanders are the EXACT same model as crisis suits. The grandmaster dreadknight repurposed the dreadknight model. The models are the exact same. The models already exist they just gave them multiple rules.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
There's nothing in there that explicitly says you can't, and decades of tradition of kitbashing Ork miniatures to make them look unique and interesting that says you can.

Actually, no, that is your rule. As long as it meets WYSIWYG and is distinguishable from the other MANz, there is NOTHING wrong with making them in to a mega armored warboss. Your ridiculous, irrational hyperbole aside.

 Melissia wrote:
Actually, no, that is what GW say. As long as it is on the MANz box, there is NOTHING wrong with making them in to a mega armored warboss. It's a shame there is nothing on the MANZ box to say you can make a Mega Armoured Warboss on it though. My ridiculous, irrational hyperbole aside.

Right. Despite GW actively going against your claim.

Let me help you out bro, maybe then you'll get it;

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=-8084463472183225360&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=warboss+in+mega+armour

You see how there's no model that comes up? You see how the only relevant model is entitled "Big Mek in Mega Armour"? That means that the box does NOT contain a Warboss in Mega Armour. It's pretty simple.

You are telling me to take one model and turn it into another, despite no support from GW to do this. This is not something for discussion and like I said, your feelings on the matter are irrelevant. GW have taken the stance that the Meganobz box contains ONLY Big Mek in Mega Armour and Meganobz. As far as they are concerned, the model is not suitable for Warboss in Mega Armour. Complain and argue all you like but you need to direct that whine at GW, not me.

I tried to look up "XV 8 commander" but this is all I found:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=-14736544295679261&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=XV8+commander

Look at that, even the description for the Crisis team doesn't say you can make a commander. Yet, it has rules in the codex. It's almost as if GW expects you to build it from the existing kit. But no that can't be right. GW clearly doesn't want that...