Necron rumor & pics summary in 1st post (now with 2nd wave pics!)

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**Ascalam**

NecronLord3 wrote:
masterofstuff1 wrote:
NecronLord3 wrote:
TheWildHost wrote:At this rate the damn eldar better be fething AWSOME or I QUIT

They already are. Try Linking some Prism cannons and parking Wraithguard as a Troops choice on an objective.

Wraithguard killed my C'tan one time, not sure if i am over it yet.

Yeah, my Deceiver walks away from that combat every time.

Let's see him walk away from Wraithcannon fire

He doesn't even get a save

**tetrisphreak**

16 days until the book drops...does that mean just 2 more days and official pre-orders go up?

Who else is counting down?

**masterofstuff1**

tetrisphreak wrote:16 days until the book drops...does that mean just 2 more days and official pre-orders go up?

Who else is counting down?

you know it

**CleverAntics**

The wait is absolutely horrendous for myself. Been counting down every torturous day since sometime last week...

**masterofstuff1**

CleverAntics wrote:The wait is absolutely horrendous for myself. Been counting down every torturous day since sometime last week...

Knowing that it is actually coming and actually having the date is kinda making it worse

**Azure**

Pre-orders set to go up on my birthday. Stoked 0---0

**BrassScorpion**

TheWarStore.com

We will be receiving solicitation information on the Necrons from Games Workshop on October 24th. If you are interested in receiving information, please send Neal (neal@thewarstore.com) an email with the subject line: I WANT MY NECRONS! and we will let you know as soon as the information is available!

**Ascalam**

Looking forward to reading the codex.

Not sure if i'll continue with crons. It depends a lot on the codex.

I play my armies for the fluff and the look, more than the power level. I'm not sure yet if i like the new look crons enough. The codex will be the decider for me

**CleverAntics**

I know. To be factual, the GK release - while it excited me - isn't having the effect Necrons are. Both because of knowing the pre-order date and taking a liking to Necrons better than GKs.

**asimo77**

yakface wrote:
asimo77 wrote:I'm telling you guys just go online and find an RNG. If you're playing at someone's home I'm sure they have a computer, and in other locations you crazy young people with your smart pads and iphones must have some sort of internet capable device. I bet there's a RNG app out there too.

Hey great point. I just realized I had no such thing on my iphone/pad and just downloaded a free one just in case I ever need it!

Well I'm happy to have helped! I guess it's like a small thank you for all the great stuff you've been posting here.

**Sasori**

Hmm, not a fan of the Cryptek. I think I'll just use left over parts from other models to make him. Should be plenty of extra bits to customize him, from the Immortals and Lycheguard kits.

**Dr. Temujin**

Ascalam wrote:Looking forward to reading the codex.

Not sure if i'll continue with crons. It depends a lot on the codex.

I play my armies for the fluff and the look, more than the power level. I'm not sure yet if i like the new look crons enough. The codex will be the decider for me

Same. It seems like my Necrons are hanging in the balance at this point, depending on the codex. I hope it's written well enough to my likings...

**NecronLord3**

Dr. Temujin wrote:
Ascalam wrote:Looking forward to reading the codex.

Not sure if i'll continue with crons. It depends a lot on the codex.

I play my armies for the fluff and the look, more than the power level. I'm not sure yet if i like the new look crons enough. The codex will be the decider for me

Same. It seems like my Necrons are hanging in the balance at this point, depending on the codex. I hope it's written well enough to my likings...

Not really they're already basically unplayable/competitive. They can't be worse.

**masterofstuff1**

NecronLord3 wrote:
Dr. Temujin wrote:
Ascalam wrote:Looking forward to reading the codex.

Not sure if i'll continue with crons. It depends a lot on the codex.

I play my armies for the fluff and the look, more than the power level. I'm not sure yet if i like the new look crons enough. The codex will be the decider for me

Same. It seems like my Necrons are hanging in the balance at this point, depending on the codex. I hope it's written well enough to my likings...

Not really they're already basically unplayable/competitive. They can't be worse.

Well they are playable, i still have fun playing at my FLGS but i know people wont ever win a competition with them.

**Ascalam**

I've won tournaments with them, even against some strong netlists.

Dash and others have too. It does require you to be stubborn as hades and to actually use your brain to outthink your opponents though, rather than relying on uber rules and statlines.

**FabricatorGeneralMike**

azazel the cat wrote:
mattyrm wrote: I will laugh my tits off if you sell them all and the new codex is nothing like you think.

Why not wait a wee bit before you go emo on us all eh?

Thank you for the editorial. However, there is nothing 'emo' about it. Quite the opposite, in fact. Very calculated, unemotional. Assuming that Yak is correct in what has been posted (as are we all, it seems) then I will be left holding 6 useless Destroyers and 1 useless Monolith come Nov 5th. That's $250 CAN. Because of these new unit sizes, I feel it's a reasonable assumption that their value -and therefore their price- will decrease considerably. Therefore, I have a better chance of getting a decent return on my investment if I unload it today, rather than gamble by waiting until Nov 5th. And again, since we all seem to be operating with the understanding that Yak is correct, the value decrease seems like less of a gamble and more of a certainty.

nectarprime wrote: You started playing only 6 months ago and chose Necrons??? WHYYYYY

Because as someone completely new to Warhammer 40k, I had no idea they were considered 'weak'. (By the way, I don't. I love the 5th ed. Necrons.) I liked their art design and concept. And I liked the idea that I wouldn't have to spend 5 hours painting each troop, as I don't have that kind of time. Unfortunately, it would appear that the efficient, ponderous, soulless look of the Necrons has been changed to a very ornate, Baroque style. Exactly the opposite of the reason I started with Necrons. But that's a pill I would otherwise be willing to swallow. I can always file off the robots' funny little hats.

mikhaila wrote: I'd wait to trash you models or sell them off until you see an actual codex maybe? I mean, I know it's all about the drama and all...but maybe wait for an actual rulebook?

You do have a point. Perhaps Yak is completely wrong about everything, but I doubt it. Perhaps I'll look at the codex, and then decide whether or not to hold a fire sale outside the nearest GW store on Nov 5th.

wyomingfox wrote: Seems a bit excesive . Why don't you just sell 6 of your Destroyers and use the funds to purchase some of the newer units? I mean, your scarabs, immortals, monos, and warriors are still legit.

For the same reason I don't order a different menu item at full price when the first entree served to me is rotten and there's no refunds. If a player builds a large army according to the existing FOC, and then 6 months later finds out that half of his army can no longer be used, why would that player, as a consumer, ever give said company more money? I paid for my Immortals as Elites, but now the new Immortals are exactly like the old Warriors. I spent $320 CAN on 17 Immortals so that my army would have some more punch with their assault 2 guns, but now my $320 CAN has got me 17 rapid fire guns. What a great investment. There is no reason here for me to make the mistake of purchasing more elite units again.

mattyrm wrote: As the owner of three Carnifexes and two Hive Tyrants I feel your pain, but that is the cost of investing heavily in a skewed and unbalanced army build. If you go all-out on whatever unit is most powerful in a given edition you should expect that eventually your lopsided collection will stop functioning as effectively.

What was unbalanced about it? 2x Heavy choices utilizing 1 of 3 possible options. 3x FA choices utilizing 2 of 3 FA options. 2x Elites choices utilizing 1 of 3 possible options. And lots of troops utilizing 1 of 1 possible options. Are you trying to tell me that despite the FOC, the only way to play properly was to purchase 1 unit of each possible option? If that was the case, I must have missed that page in either the Codex or else the BRB.

What I am very irritated at here is how obvious the new Necron options are not meant to augment existing armies, but to REPLACE them. As in, to re-buy. And that, I will not do.

I see that you just got into GW stuff a little while ago, so there are a few things you should know that they don't tell you in the store's;

1) When GW gets around to redoing Codex's there is usually a few new kits in there. GW wants to sell those kits so they usually get the newest/bestest/ power/rule/gimmick to help sell them. This doesn't always work (check out the pyrovore in the 'nids book PU) but these new units often invalidate the way a unit or army worked before. To Gamesworkshop the game 40k is just secondary, selling models is their main sorce of revinue. The rule set is just a way to get you to buy models. So if there was something the design studio felt was overpowered ie The Necron Flying Circus, they will make the unit not as powerful/nerf the rules especially if a new modelkit is suppost to replace a existing powerhouse ( ie Carnafex..again nid's...poor poor nids)

2) If you live in Canada don't EVER pay retail GW prices. We get a 'screw you Canada Tax' for no reason eventhough there is a model plant in the states...go figure..and we have Free Trade with the states...-shrugs- There are many many many on-line retailers who will give you a discount or free shipping we used to be able to order GW stuff from the US, and given that we have a stronger dollar it was a fair price. We can't do that anymore. The point im trying to make is retail GW pricing in Canada is insane, but not as bad as our aussie friends.

3) When a Codes gets redesigned most authors want to put 'there stamp' on it. So they will change the fluff of the army a little to suit how they see the backstory of the army. I don't think there is anything that causes as much hate/vitrol/flame wars as GW 40k fluff. It will change, your army will play differently. Either accept it and buy new kits and remember this happens everytime a new book comes out so accept this is the way GW does things. Or Don't and sell your stuff off and try a new game out.

I did the latter myself (sold my sisters) and have been having a blast playing Force on Force, Full Thrust and really looking foward to Tommorows War and Defiance Games -Game. =o]

Some of the kits look rather neat, I could have some fun chopping parts of them up to use on other products. The rules I don't care about. Can't stand the flayed ones, they look terrible. They are just over the top taken to 9000!!!1!111!1!!!112.

**masterofstuff1**

ok, well then that guys point is Completely wrong!! i was trying to be nice

**Red Corsair**

Ascalam wrote:I've won tournaments with them, even against some strong netlists.

Dash and others have too. It does require you to be stubborn as hades and to actually use your brain to outthink your opponents though, rather than relying on uber rules and statlines.

Yea I heard of a guy killing a deer with a brick once.... Knowing that I still won't hunt with a sidewalk paver.... The crons needed an update because their book sucked, period. I don't play them and still sympathize...

**Ouze**

I'm equal parts excited and dismayed.

I'm super excited about the pictures, and the models (except the flayed ones obv) and the rules. Trazyn sounds awesome.

I'm deeply concerned with how the release is being handled. They've been incompetent at marketing for a while, but this really reaches a new low. Instead of sending BOW C&D's, they should be sending them better pictures and sculptors to interview. It appears they are doing their hardest to make sure the release flops when I think any competent company would at this point have teasers all over the web, be doing model previews on facebook, be teasing some of the rules on twitter, etc. Maybe even.... running ads. Instead, we have people posting blurry black and white images like it's a goddamn Bigfoot.

I know I often come across as a hater (in the false dichotomy of "haterz vs fanbois"), but I really do like the HHHobby, generally, and I wish it was in better hands, is all. But that's a whole other thread, a whole other few dozen threads really.

**tetrisphreak**

Ouze spoiled it. ManBearPig was the rumored MC necrons were getting.

**Sasori**

Ouze wrote:I'm equal parts excited and dismayed.

I'm super excited about the pictures, and the models (except the flayed ones obv) and the rules. Trazyn sounds awesome.

I'm deeply concerned with how the release is being handled. They've been incompetent at marketing for a while, but this really reaches a new low. Instead of sending BOW C&D's, they should be sending them better pictures and sculptors to interview. It appears they are doing their hardest to make sure the release flops when I think any competent company would at this point have teasers all over the web, be doing model previews on facebook, be teasing some of the rules on twitter, etc. Maybe even.... running ads. Instead, we have people posting blurry black and white images like it's a goddamn Bigfoot.

I know I often come across as a hater (in the false dichotomy of "haterz vs fanbois"), but I really do like the HHHobby, generally, and I wish it was in better hands, is all. But that's a whole other thread, a whole other few dozen threads really.

You've pretty much summed up my feelings. I agree 100% with you.

**plastictrees**

Ouze wrote:I'm equal parts excited and dismayed.

I'm super excited about the pictures, and the models (except the flayed ones obv) and the rules. Trazyn sounds awesome.

I'm deeply concerned with how the release is being handled. They've been incompetent at marketing for a while, but this really reaches a new low. Instead of sending BOW C&D's, they should be sending them better pictures and sculptors to interview. It appears they are doing their hardest to make sure the release flops when I think any competent company would at this point have teasers all over the web, be doing model previews on facebook, be teasing some of the rules on twitter, etc. Maybe even.... running ads. Instead, we have people posting blurry black and white images like it's a goddamn Bigfoot.

I know I often come across as a hater (in the false dichotomy of "haterz vs fanbois"), but I really do like the HHHobby, generally, and I wish it was in better hands, is all. But that's a whole other thread, a whole other few dozen threads really.

Won't you feel silly when GW float a huge Necron statue down the Thames as part of a billion dollar advertising campaign.

Seriously though, this is incredibly bizarre. Controlling the flow of info from your company absolutely makes sense, especially given certain licensing agreements. Stifling that info at every turn is nonsensical. They knew when a leak might happen. You can't stop it from happening, but you can preempt it....you know, using that website you have.

**asimo77**

Well despite their bizzare marketing, it's not like poor advertising would somehow make the codex less competitive or something.

I think it's silly but doesn't affect me much in the end.

**NecronLord3**

Why would GW spend a dime on advertising when they get all the advertising for free between BoK, BoW, BolS, Warseer, Dakka and more?

**plastictrees**

NecronLord3 wrote:Why would GW spend a dime on advertising when they get all the advertising for free between BoK, BoW, BolS, Warseer, Dakka and more?

Yes, posting your own images on your own website that is also a storefront is very expensive.

**Therion**

I'm deeply concerned with how the release is being handled. They've been incompetent at marketing for a while, but this really reaches a new low. Instead of sending BOW C&D's, they should be sending them better pictures and sculptors to interview. It appears they are doing their hardest to make sure the release flops when I think any competent company would at this point have teasers all over the web, be doing model previews on facebook, be teasing some of the rules on twitter, etc. Maybe even.... running ads. Instead, we have people posting blurry black and white images like it's a goddamn Bigfoot.

Well put. I think GW's unique style of anti-marketing and attacking (with futility I might add) everyone who try to hype up their products and therefore increase the value of those products reflects on the hobbyists as well. As a lawyer I'm personally dismayed how scared many people are over the internet about copyright laws. Yakface here for example seems to believe that while he is under no contractual obligation and not having obtained anything illegally simply talking about (the units and their abilities) a product that is finished and widely discussed and being released for sale in two weeks might make him liable for damages or even worse constitute a crime. This is ludicrous at best and I'm starting to wonder if this illogical fear of the judicial system is restricted to U.S. based hobbyists or everyone in the GW hobby in general.

**plastictrees**

Therion wrote:
I'm deeply concerned with how the release is being handled. They've been incompetent at marketing for a while, but this really reaches a new low. Instead of sending BOW C&D's, they should be sending them better pictures and sculptors to interview. It appears they are doing their hardest to make sure the release flops when I think any competent company would at this point have teasers all over the web, be doing model previews on facebook, be teasing some of the rules on twitter, etc. Maybe even.... running ads. Instead, we have people posting blurry black and white images like it's a goddamn Bigfoot.

Well put. I think GW's unique style of anti-marketing and attacking (with futility I might add) everyone who try to hype up their products and therefore increase the value of those products reflects on the hobbyists as well. As a lawyer I'm personally dismayed how scared many people are over the internet about copyright laws. Yakface here for example seems to believe that while he is under no contractual obligation and not having obtained anything illegally simply talking about (the units and their abilities) a product that is finished and widely discussed and being released for sale in two weeks might make him liable for damages or even worse constitute a crime. This is ludicrous at best and I'm starting to wonder if this illogical fear of the judicial system is restricted to U.S. based hobbyists or everyone in the GW hobby in general.

I got the impression that Yak was more concerned about not screwing over his source, who had presumably given him the info with certain caveats.

**Therion**

I got the impression that Yak was more concerned about not screwing over his source, who had presumably given him the info with certain caveats.

My point wasn't really restricted to Yak and this isolated situation, but more about how people generally discuss upcoming GW products. We could call it anti-discussing.

**Delta Echo**

NecronLord3 wrote:Why would GW spend a dime on advertising when they get all the advertising for free between BoK, BoW, BolS, Warseer, Dakka and more?

You are missing the point. GW can preview new armies themselves. As mentioned they have a website... They could better control the content and quality of the photos and message in this manner. Not only that but it would have increased web traffic and exposure to their other products as well. After everything we know they are going to do to promote the Crons anyway (website/ WD content) their net cost increase would have been zero.

**nels1031**

I like everything so far, although like most, I think the Flayed ones are the weakest of the bunch. None of the new fluff or rules offend me, but nor do they tempt me away from the superior Xenos race : Da Orks! I'm mainly looking at this release as more stuff to loot!

Ouze wrote:I'm deeply concerned with how the release is being handled. They've been incompetent at marketing for a while, but this really reaches a new low.

How is this different then the widely popular Dark Eldar release? Seems par the course from GW lately. I'm not defending their uber-secrecy, indeed, just a little transparency would go a long way, but it worked for the last xenos army they redid, didn't it?

Ouze wrote:Instead of sending BOW C&D's, they should be sending them better pictures and sculptors to interview. It appears they are doing their hardest to make sure the release flops when I think any competent company would at this point have teasers all over the web, be doing model previews on facebook, be teasing some of the rules on twitter, etc. Maybe even.... running ads. Instead, we have people posting blurry black and white images like it's a goddamn Bigfoot.

They have a published magazine and a website, both of which are still shadows of what they were back in the day, but they are getting better. Both of those outlets will do the interviews with the sculptors, Codex author/artists and have breakdown of sprues and new kits. I personally don't see anything wrong with them wanting control over content releases to use on their own media outlets (as lackluster as they are). Everything you list they usually do, on their terms and when they are ready. Isn't that their perogative? Wouldn't sending info out to other sites just make both their website and printed magazine even more redundant than it already is?

I'm not trying to argue, I can see where you are coming from and agree with it to some extent, I'm just attempting to look at it from their perspective.