Rumors for Chaos Space Marines - Upd 8/12/2012 in OP

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**Sephyr**

Semper wrote:

Well I hope the DP get's some bonus' then! 150pts+ for just the basic prince and wings.. jesus.... they're not THAT resilient/awesome atm considering the run of the mill Lord generally gets trampled by most other HQ's in most departments.

Indeed. I hope they are brought up to C'tan and Nyd uber-beast level, if so: Either S7 and T7 at 4 wounds or S6/T6 and 5/5 wounds. Otherwise they will be making wings even more of an auto-include.

I really wish they made Daemon Princes more flexible. Allow for bestial quadruped ones that move like beasts and proper shooty ones that actually use the added firepower 'slot' being a MC grants!

**gorgon**

Bloodhorror wrote:

So...

Undivded Apostle + 30 man Cultist Squad = Fearless 30 man Blob Squad with Feel no Pain and Relentless
Khorne Apostle + 30 man Combat Cultist Squad = +2 attacks on the charge at s4 and should the unit get whittled down, i get +1d3 attacks each turn anyway!
Nurgle Apostle + 30 man Cultist Squad = Meh, not too fancy...
Tzeentch Apostle + 30 man Cultist Squad = 5+ Invunerable save Cultists... Objective holding anyone?
Slaanesh Apostle + 30 man Combat Cultist Squad = 3 attacks each on the charge with Rending.... Sweet.

Wonder if this is how you "unlock" things like plague zombies (DA with Nurgle plus cultists)?

**Cruentus**

So from this, it appears that Dark Apostles are just part of the army list, and not necessarily Word Bearers? Interesting.

**Brometheus**

^ That's how I suspect it will be. I wager that the Dark Apostile (if there IS one) unit description will probably be something similar to the way the current CSM codex is when describing cults.

You know, the whole "Not every plague marine is a death guard member" type deal.

**Sephyr**

I must say, I -really- doubt this new rumor about apostles bestowing USR combos upon units. The Slaanesh one seems so powerful it makes Death Company units look like chumps.

Though maybe Kelly has accidentally used Matt Ward's mug at the office and got the imba bug something fierce.

"I'll show those sanguinary priests what buffing a unit REALLY is..."

**Quintinus**

Sephyr wrote:
I must say, I -really- doubt this new rumor about apostles bestowing USR combos upon units. The Slaanesh one seems so powerful it makes Death Company units look like chumps.

Though maybe Kelly has accidentally used Matt Ward's mug at the office and got the imba bug something fierce.

"I'll show those sanguinary priests what buffing a unit REALLY is..."

To add to the "confusion" (

), some dude on the Faeit website commented that the rules for the bonuses of the Dark Apostle are wrong. So they are most likely not as OTT as we are being led to believe.

However if they are, that is awesome. I could see putting one in a Khornate Terminator squad (say hello to 4+D3 attacks on the charge at Str5 or higher depending on weaponry!) and then another in a unit of 30 cultists.

Even if they aren't that good, I am still looking forward to seeing their bonuses!

**Brometheus**

dbl

**Tarrasq**

Natfka put up another post about the apostles. Basically what his other sources are saying is that Dark Apostles have fearless and furious charge themselves that they also convey to units they join. They go on to say that a Dark Apostle in a plague marine unit would make their FNP 4+ instead of 5+.

Also that rampage won't be given to units that can take over 3 models.

6^

This dark apostle shenanigans is unfortunate. WAAC players only.

**unmercifulconker**

I hope the dark apostle with cultist thing is true, fits perfectly with my warband, aspiring warriors seeking to prove themselves for the blood god led by a maniac shouting taunts everywhere.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Ironically, these Dark Apostles don't really sound like they would fit in a fluffy Word Bearer army, where they should really be 1 per army and an HQ.

Also Ahriman, Magister Templi of the Corvidae, does not have Divination. Epic Fail.

**Sephyr**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Ironically, these Dark Apostles don't really sound like they would fit in a fluffy Word Bearer army, where they should really be 1 per army and an HQ.

Also Ahriman, Magister Templi of the Corvidae, does not have Divination. Epic Fail.

Hopefully the lore of Tzeentch will be a bit similar to Divination and make up for the bungling. But yes, it's crap that those who dedicate temselves to the architect of Fate can't see into the future but some sorcery-hating mutt-men can cast runes and get next week's bullet forecast, no problem.

**Brother SRM**

6^ wrote:
This dark apostle shenanigans is unfortunate. WAAC players only.

Don't let your knee jerk like that before you even know all the details or if any of it is even true.

**Starfarer**

6^ wrote:
This dark apostle shenanigans is unfortunate. WAAC players only.

Gotta love Dakka rumor threads. One page is bemoaning how the new codex will be bland, underpowered and likely keep them a lower tier army. The next page we get a sliver of a rumor, where we don't know the actual rules, point costs, etc. and the codex is full of cheese.

I'm personally happy about Dark Apostles being a universal option. Even if expensive, I like the option of getting my plaguemarines a 4+ FNP save again.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Sephyr wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Ironically, these Dark Apostles don't really sound like they would fit in a fluffy Word Bearer army, where they should really be 1 per army and an HQ.

Also Ahriman, Magister Templi of the Corvidae, does not have Divination. Epic Fail.

Hopefully the lore of Tzeentch will be a bit similar to Divination and make up for the bungling.

Nah, sounds like a bunch of fire spells and random crap.

**aka_mythos**

Sephyr wrote:
I must say, I -really- doubt this new rumor about apostles bestowing USR combos upon units. The Slaanesh one seems so powerful it makes Death Company units look like chumps.

Let's see the channeled powers of a God versus a genetically modified hiccup... One sounds like it should be more powerful.

**Brometheus**

lol.... Faeit212 Abbaddon rumors.

What a joke. I don't even want to copy/paste them here they sound so awful.

..and don't call me a sky-is-falling sort of fellow because I have no interest in using Abby either way.

The background in this rumor just reeks of someone trolling Natfka. I lol'd.

**unmercifulconker**

Sorry I have got no clue of Abbadon but isnt he favoured by all gods.

He is now Tzeetnch's favourite son

**Brometheus**

Well I guess we just don't know until we see it

**Semper**

Brometheus wrote:
lol.... Faeit212 Abbaddon rumors.

What a joke. I don't even want to copy/paste them here they sound so awful.

..and don't call me a sky-is-falling sort of fellow because I have no interest in using Abby either way.

The background in this rumor just reeks of someone trolling Natfka. I lol'd.

I know right? It seems so 'noob' to be GW reality... even if they have done some shocking things.

Tzeentch's second gift? Fury? Since when has Abaddon been a berserker willing to gamble two strikes over one? This guy is meant to be a warmaster of THE villains and the dude that laughed at the idea of the C'tan...

**Brometheus**

Logan is lurking in the comments section.. Pay attention to little tidbits he gives up.

**Sephyr**

The new Abaddon rumor is sub-Matt Ward in fanboyism and OPness. They just killed the Fateweaver combo with CSM to avoid giving 2+ armor units a re-roll on saves and now they bring it back?

Not likely. As for the "but if he fails he takes 2 wounds!" aspect, it's also bad, given that he also has a daemon weapon. Two bits of wargear that help killing you on a single character is a bit too lottery-minded even for a chaos book.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Vladsimpaler wrote:
Sephyr wrote:
I must say, I -really- doubt this new rumor about apostles bestowing USR combos upon units. The Slaanesh one seems so powerful it makes Death Company units look like chumps.

Though maybe Kelly has accidentally used Matt Ward's mug at the office and got the imba bug something fierce.

"I'll show those sanguinary priests what buffing a unit REALLY is..."

To add to the "confusion" ( ), some dude on the Faeit website commented that the rules for the bonuses of the Dark Apostle are wrong. So they are most likely not as OTT as we are being led to believe.

Not that surprising really; it seems as of late Faeit is constantly stepping on his own toes.

**BDJV**

Just posted on Faeit 212 link

We have another set regarding the Chaos Dragon, terminators, and a siege tank of some sort. Take a look.

Please remember that these are rumors

via Faeit 212 (anonymous source)
the chaos dragon will have two shooting profiles:

when shooting at flyers : 36'' range , strength 9 AP 4 heavy 3
when shooting at the ground: 36'' range , strength 8 AP 3 heavy 3 blast (can be upgraded to large blast but then becomes heavy 2) and costs + 30 pts

also terminators will be given a chaos version of a space marine storm shield. And if you now take chosen terminators they will have 2 wounds each.
also the melta vindicator rumour is very much real - but with the two profiles as well.

special rule: enraged daemon: (this rule only applies if you give your melta vindicator daemonic possession) : once per game you can exchange your normal melta shot for a daemonic melta shot.
you may not move in the previous turn to do this ! you shoot ( large blast strength 10 AP 1 shot ) but cannot use your ballistic skill and always scatters 2d6 inches. after doing this then the rules for daemonic possession on the tank is lost for the rest of the game and you must only fire the normal melta shot.

normal melta shot is : strength 8 AP 1 large blast.
this tank cost 150pts to start and an extra 20pts for daemonic possession - NOTE: this tank may NEVER EVER fire at flyers or at a enemy when a member of your army is within 3 inches of the target.

**Semper**

I'm sorry... did someone just say chaos get a variation of the storm shield and chosen terminators get not one, but two wounds? And.. the implication being I could combine this unit with Abaddon the Despoiler, quite possibly the strongest IC there is?

Fairy tales.

We're not loyal to the emperor... don't you make me dream again you monsters!

**Ledabot**

Did I just see a dragon with a battle cannon on its back? Someone photoshop this. This could be the next big thing!

**CaptainCommunsism**

if chaos got stormshields, those marked with Tzeentch could get 2+ invulnerables. That's a mighty bit of salt in my eyes.

**Brometheus**

"We have another set regarding the Chaos Dragon, terminators, and a siege tank of some sort. Take a look.

Putting an end to this comment section and locking the thread.

Rumor are rumors, but I have just disproved them they are fabrications. "

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Wtf does that mean?

**Kroothawk**

Har666 from Warseer wrote:From gamesday Australia:

Jeremy Vetock said that chaos 40k were getting a lot of love shortly.

Jes Goodwin spoke about how chaos at the moment doesn't really represent the marines that have been in the warp for 10k years, particularly the vehicles. He told us that he thought there was a lot of room for new stuff in that area.
(...)
When I was talking to Jeremy he was showing off the 'eavy metal painted chosen that were used for the WD spread on the new starter set. He also said that they had learnt from the fantasy 8th ed's lack of quick follow up army books, and that we should expect 3-4 codexes (sp) in the next 6 to 8 months

I defiantly got the impression from the way Jes was talking that there were big exciting things coming very soon. He seemed to be pretty excited by the direction.

I also have to add that Jeremy and Jes were both great to talk to and did great QA sessions with much humor and genuine enthusiasm.

Those heading to gamesday UK are in for a treat, all the special guests were dropping a lot of hints that there would be some announcements on the day.

**unmercifulconker**

A Gamesday showing would be epic. Damn now I cant remember where I read this (natfka comments?) but there was a rumour that the new WD would only be given to stores a day before the release and only to a few select people. So it makes sense GW want to keep this release as a suprise. Well, the pictures anyway