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trexmeyer wrote:
Oscar Isaacs was quoted as saying he drew inspiration from Russell Brand and it's apparent within the first 10 minutes.

Spoiler:

He dragged the Jackal-thing back in haha. Not sure if that was meant to be funny, but damn, they managed to actually make the monster looked panicked. Interesting intro episode.

Weird. Because the character (who may or may not be a cover Moonknight invented for himself?) has some level of charm and charisma. And not once did he pop up to extol the evils of capitalism, but only when you’ve a tawdry, poorly written book on the subject, available for £14.99, £29.99 if signed, from all good High Street Bookshops and Online Global Websites, nor did he do an entire stand up set talking solely about himself and how wonderful he is, nor spend frankly staggering amounts of money on a self indulgent, short lived wedding including Elephants and that to a pop tart?

Has….has he seen Russell Brand, or only seen his picture in a Who’s Who Of Overexposed Z Listers?

 aku-chan wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Man, I just started watching Wandavision..... I am so far behind. :(

You're only just behind me, I just finished Wandavision.
I'd been holding out hope that Disney would break the habit of a lifetime and put some of this stuff out on DVD, but that's looking increasingly unlikely, so streaming it is.

Marvel have released box sets for each phase of the MCU. I don't buy any physical copies of Marvel stuff till the box sets come out. I am hoping all these D+ shows will be in the phase 4 box set.

Russel was pretty good in Death on the Nile but he was playing completely against type in that one.

Neat first episode, mostly just curious how it holds up long term. Moon Knight has always struggled a bit to develop anything as cool as the build up and this was some really neat build up.

Yep, still really enjoying episode two. This is why I’m still cautiously optimistic about Ms Marvel despite the changes to the character, because the MCU has yet to truly disappoint me, even when they deal with really weird stuff.

Episode 2 was pretty cool.

It doesn’t feel particularly Marvelesque, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.

With nothing to yet link it to the wider MCU, I’d be alright if this is standalone, because it is so far standing on its own merits.

Elements of Tom Hardy’s Venom, but with lessons learned (and I for one rather enjoy Tom Hardy’s Venom. Not necessarily the films, but the portrayal)

There are background elements. The double decker bus in the background has GRC banners on it. GRC being the organization that kind of made the Flag Smashers.

I still can't bring myself to watch the hawk/bucky series, but enjoying moonknight silliness. Hope they continue to emphasis that element and continue to subvert the now frankly boring MCU fistfights.

Winter Falcon is good. It’s definitely on the lower end of the scale for me, but that’s really just because of how “normal” it is compared to the outrageousness of the other series.

 AduroT wrote:
Winter Falcon is good. It’s definitely on the lower end of the scale for me, but that’s really just because of how “normal” it is compared to the outrageousness of the other series.

The more time has gone on, the more I look at Winter Falcon and feel kind of disappointed in it.

You really can see the mold lines where the plot was altered as a result of COVID-19 and it hurts how smooth the plot of the series unfolds. The ending where the hero talks down to the paper pushers and says 'do better' also feels somewhat tone-deaf in more ways than one. It reminds me of the episode of Family Guy where Quagmire gives the reason you suck speech to Brian and the gist of it is that talking about the right thing is cheap compared to doing anything about anything and the ending of Winter Falcon kind of exemplifies that attitude of talking about the right thing while not really doing anything about the problem (other than punching some bad guys and stuff, which doesn't really change the underlying problem it just gives a bunch of people reacting to it in an extreme way black eyes).

Anyway, I guess I'm saying that I'm not sure anyone is missing out by skipping the show. The only important bit really is that Falcon has the shield and Bucky is dealing with his trauma. All pertinent information for future entries for the characters is now in your possession :/

Oh, and this dude straight up murders/not murders a guy, everyone makes a big deal about how horrible it is for a few minutes, and then nobody talks about it ever again or seems to care XD

It also sets up US Agent with whoever the Contessa is working for in creating her own version of the Avengers.

You can definitely see where COVID hit that show. The big speech was definitely intended for a big committee room instead of ambushing one guy on the streets. All of the wrap up scenes taking place in big empty rooms with like 1-2 extras on the complete opposite side of things is very telling (I LOVE Bucky's psychiatrist ending in a literal empty room with a desk for some reason but no decorations?). It ends the series on a somewhat disappointing note, but I really enjoyed most of it.

Ep2 of Moon Knight continued to be a lot of fun. Great to see how they slipped in the detective suit and a pretty well staged fight, even if its not the most memorable action. I'm still not sure if you can do much beyond this sort of supporting personality origin story thing, but I plan to enjoy it while it lasts.

One of the things I find interesting is this is the first time in the MCU that we are seeing the leaping across the roof tops style of super heroics.

Yes, Spiderman is swinging around the city. But we haven't had a Daredevil, Moonknight, etc... type character running around and doing crazy city fights. And nobody has worn a cape until now. This is the most classically superhero super heroics we have gotten so far.

It’s definitely an odd’un by MCU standards.

Whilst I’ve been corrected a few posts ago on it having no particular ties to said MCU.

It does kind of feel like an adjacent knock-off, but again as I said before, it’s standing on its own merits.

It’s possibly the MCU’s biggest risk since Guardians of the Galaxy (which by all rules should’ve been a massive steaming pile of elephant spank).

Doctor Strange and Thor both have worn capes.

 AduroT wrote:
Doctor Strange and Thor both have worn capes.

Thats true! Good call.

Maybe it's their aesthetic that made me gloss over them in my mind. Their capes fit their mold of wizard and norse god. With Moon Knight this feels more like a Batman or Superman. The cape isn't his clothes. It's his costume. Thats probably not a great distinction but thats probably where the line is being drawn in my mind.

Strange’s cape is purely function. He wears it because it serves a purpose. Moon Knight wears it because he thinks he’s supposed to I guess, given we’ve seen the suit takes the form the wearer believes it should. Thor’s cape is pretty strictly the fashion of his culture. They wear capes, it’s normal for them.

 LordofHats wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Winter Falcon is good. It’s definitely on the lower end of the scale for me, but that’s really just because of how “normal” it is compared to the outrageousness of the other series.

The more time has gone on, the more I look at Winter Falcon and feel kind of disappointed in it.

You really can see the mold lines where the plot was altered as a result of COVID-19 and it hurts how smooth the plot of the series unfolds. The ending where the hero talks down to the paper pushers and says 'do better' also feels somewhat tone-deaf in more ways than one. It reminds me of the episode of Family Guy where Quagmire gives the reason you suck speech to Brian and the gist of it is that talking about the right thing is cheap compared to doing anything about anything and the ending of Winter Falcon kind of exemplifies that attitude of talking about the right thing while not really doing anything about the problem (other than punching some bad guys and stuff, which doesn't really change the underlying problem it just gives a bunch of people reacting to it in an extreme way black eyes).

Anyway, I guess I'm saying that I'm not sure anyone is missing out by skipping the show. The only important bit really is that Falcon has the shield and Bucky is dealing with his trauma. All pertinent information for future entries for the characters is now in your possession :/

Oh, and this dude straight up murders/not murders a guy, everyone makes a big deal about how horrible it is for a few minutes, and then nobody talks about it ever again or seems to care XD

Falcon/Winter Soldier is really... stupid. I'd like to like it more, but so much of it is stupid. Why was Power Broker using a random crew of not really well trained mercenaries lead by a 19 year old? In the end Karli has a fight with US Agent and they're both super soldiers at that point, he was a top physical specimen and well trained combatant before the serum, so how did he not wipe the floor with her? A bank denying a small business loan to an Avenger is a terrible business idea. Falcon could have set up a Go Fund Me and raked in the cash. Peggy Carter's niece becoming a super-villain is annoying. No one recognizes Bucky, even though he was all over the news a few years earlier for supposedly bombing a UN meeting. Everyone recognizes Sam. Sam gave up the shield that Steve SPECIFICALLY gave to him and everyone is really emotional about the shield, but we don't even actually know if it is his original shield since we know that was severely damaged. Where that shield came from, or if it is the original, how it got repaired are huge question that we have no answer for yet. Sam is not super strong, he's a normal guy. He'd have been crushed between the armored car and his jetpack at the end. When Bucky and Sam first encounter Karli they think she's a hostage because she was sitting alone in the back of a cargo truck. Why was she even back there? The Flagsmashers have two trucks and Bucky runs between them, jumps on the back of a truck and opens the door. What was the driver of the 2nd truck doing that he didn't see this happening? Using wingsuits to glide into helicopters is incredibly stupid. Why doesn't Karli tell Sam about the Power Broker at the end?

Power Broker Sharon Carter is very likely a Skrull. I am calling that now. We know Secret Invasion is coming and a Skrull making all the moves Power Broker Carter did to get into all the positions of power she has makes perfect sense.

Secret Invasion seems odd because we’ve so far been shown the Skrull to be sympathetic characters who were actually the oppressed and who work with the humans now.

We have seen a small faction of Skrulls who were sympathetic.

The Skrulls of comic Secret Invasion are religious fanatics who believe Earth is their prophesied new home world.

Talos and crew is less then the population of a town. The Skrulls as a race are a space faring race. Even if their total population is say.... that of America. Consider how many reasonable logical American's there are versus fanatics of this faction or that who would make moves the others are ashamed of.

 Lance845 wrote:
And nobody has worn a cape until now. This is the most classically superhero super heroics we have gotten so far.

No capes.

(One of the most epic lines and montages of any superhero media ever.)

 Lance845 wrote:
One of the things I find interesting is this is the first time in the MCU that we are seeing the leaping across the roof tops style of super heroics.

Yes, Spiderman is swinging around the city. But we haven't had a Daredevil, Moonknight, etc... type character running around and doing crazy city fights. And nobody has worn a cape until now. This is the most classically superhero super heroics we have gotten so far.

Vision has entered the chat...

The_Real_Chris wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
And nobody has worn a cape until now. This is the most classically superhero super heroics we have gotten so far.

No capes.

(One of the most epic lines and montages of any superhero media ever.)

Vision is the exception because he can make his cape go away.

Sam gave up the shield that Steve SPECIFICALLY gave to him and everyone is really emotional about the shield, but we don't even actually know if it is his original shield since we know that was severely damaged. Where that shield came from, or if it is the original, how it got repaired are huge question that we have no answer for yet. Sam is not super strong, he's a normal guy. He'd have been crushed between the armored car and his jetpack at the end.

The shield is still technically the (an?) original shield, because it's the one "old" Steve showed up with at the end of Infinity War, from a timeline where he evidently never had to fight Thanos in a similar fashion to get it destroyed. Or something timey-wimey, because Marvel time-travel hurts my head even more than normal time travel.

Sam didn't get crushed by the armored car/jetpack because the suit he is wearing is all Wakandan tech. It evidently boosts him up to super-soldier levels of strength and resistance. (Only stupid part is the exposed sections of his head, but that's a whole separate rabbit-hole.)


As for Moon Knight, I REALLY like it so far! It's different enough to be interesting. As someone who has no prior knowledge of the character, I like how it deals with a character who (at least at the moment) has an alternate form, AND an alter ego.

Plus, like some have said online, if this show is actually part of the MCU, it officially would be the first existence of deity-styled forces, as in actual old-Earth gods like the Greek Gods in the DC universe. Everything up to this point has just been aliens or extra-dimensional, or both. Even in Shang-Chi and Iron Fist, things like the dragons are extradimensional beings.

Vision wears a cape because Thor wears a cape. There’s a thing there from Thor saving him and vouching for him and being the first person he sees so Vision emulates him.

If Wakanda likes you and they give you cool tech or a suit, it’s probably at least laced with Vibranium, so he’s pretty much indestructible other than headshots.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Plus, like some have said online, if this show is actually part of the MCU, it officially would be the first existence of deity-styled forces, as in actual old-Earth gods like the Greek Gods in the DC universe. Everything up to this point has just been aliens or extra-dimensional, or both. Even in Shang-Chi and Iron Fist, things like the dragons are extradimensional beings.

The MCU is big on the "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" angle. Even if he's not called out as an extra-dimensional alien or something, I think at this point that's largely semantics.

 AduroT wrote:
Strange’s cape is purely function. He wears it because it serves a purpose. Moon Knight wears it because he thinks he’s supposed to I guess, given we’ve seen the suit takes the form the wearer believes it should. Thor’s cape is pretty strictly the fashion of his culture. They wear capes, it’s normal for them.

In the comics, Moon Knight's cape can be used as a glider (much like we saw Spider-Man gliding at the end of 'Far From Home').

We've already seen him do that in the trailers, it appears to go rigid, much like Batman's does in some incarnations, in the shape of a crescent moon.

 aku-chan wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Man, I just started watching Wandavision..... I am so far behind. :(

You're only just behind me, I just finished Wandavision.
I'd been holding out hope that Disney would break the habit of a lifetime and put some of this stuff out on DVD, but that's looking increasingly unlikely, so streaming it is.

It's not Disney precisely, but the old Netflix stuff is coming out on DVD here. Of course, Japan is strangely behind in home electronics-- a lot of people still have FAX machines at home, and pager service was available until 2020.