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Greenfield wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
I understand that breaking street dates can have an impact in some industries. Even in our hobby.

But between preview copies sent to reviewers, and GW themselves revealing stuff?

I guess some hypothetical person who was really chomping at the bit might have canc0theirnpre order with GW if they found one for sale early in the wild? And that’s still a sale for GW, just at a slightly worse margin?

Retailers who stick to the release date then lose out to retailers who are openly flouting it; that's the only real issue, I think.

GW makes more on direct sales due to margins but distribution essentially acts as a huge preorder buffer that gives them a substantial volume of guaranteed sales as long as the network has faith in GW. Delivering product on time and informing customers when it will be available is a huge effort, which is why things have shifted to delivering early, but that gives an advantage to whoever gets their stuff first so the street date exists to keep everyone in the network happy. The only thing really enforcing this is simply that GW will cut off stores that break this agreement so the rest of the network doesn't lose faith in the deal.

ccs wrote:

 Mrangryork wrote:

soviet13 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I know very few people that this would matter to, but looks like about 30%+ point slash across the board for titans.

Plastic Warhound confirmed

Are you guessing or did it get leaked? That would be pretty cool kit if it only costed like $200 instead of 700

It's a running joke.

Anything that could conceivably be tied to a plastic Titan/Thunderhawk serves as proof!.
Though in the Warhounds case? It's been 1100 pts for years, so no pts drop here.

I was literally about too say it must be along the lines of a thunderhawk, but then I saw the rest of your response

 Mrangryork wrote:

soviet13 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I know very few people that this would matter to, but looks like about 30%+ point slash across the board for titans.

Plastic Warhound confirmed

Are you guessing or did it get leaked? That would be pretty cool kit if it only costed like $200 instead of 700

I am not super familiar with US dollars, but if it's any help, other huge things that have made the jump to plastic (like the FW Acastus knights) typically go down about ~50%.

So 350 for a Warhound feels like a decent guess.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Mrangryork wrote:

soviet13 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I know very few people that this would matter to, but looks like about 30%+ point slash across the board for titans.

Plastic Warhound confirmed

Are you guessing or did it get leaked? That would be pretty cool kit if it only costed like $200 instead of 700

I am not super familiar with US dollars, but if it's any help, other huge things that have made the jump to plastic (like the FW Acastus knights) typically go down about ~50%.

So 350 for a Warhound feels like a decent guess.

You forgot the -25% discount one can routinely get for standard GW plastic kits. Historically, FW "expert kits" have never been available through discounters

No, I didn't "forget" that. It depends a lot on region you live in, so I don't take it for granted. Here in Sweden for example you're lucky to get a 10% discount, the FLGS in my city is closer to 2%.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I know very few people that this would matter to, but looks like about 30%+ point slash across the board for titans.

They look the same at 10th points to me. Where are you seeing them lower?

 Ashiraya wrote:
No, I didn't "forget" that. It depends a lot on region you live in, so I don't take it for granted. Here in Sweden for example you're lucky to get a 10% discount, the FLGS in my city is closer to 2%.

Ars Manufactorea ships EU-wide I make it a point to buy all my more expensive GW kits there. They have this "on hold" system where they will store your purchases for you until you decide to ship out everything, this saves a bunch on shipping

The real weirdness is the actual rulebooks/decks not in armageddon are a week later, instead of simultaneous release for people who don't want to buy a $300 box. Had a few people complain about that because they have no need for Armageddon, but want the physical books/mission cards, and I had to tell them they need to wait until the 27th.

GW trying to pretend this is a videogame with "Early Access".

That or simply encourage people "on the fence" to get the big shiny boxed set full of models. All those Marine and Ork players who have a big collection who "I don't really 'neeeed' more models" who can be tempted just by the ease of being a week ahead of the rules that they do need to play.

 tauist wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
No, I didn't "forget" that. It depends a lot on region you live in, so I don't take it for granted. Here in Sweden for example you're lucky to get a 10% discount, the FLGS in my city is closer to 2%.

Ars Manufactorea ships EU-wide I make it a point to buy all my more expensive GW kits there. They have this "on hold" system where they will store your purchases for you until you decide to ship out everything, this saves a bunch on shipping

I checked them out and added a MKVI tactical squad, a MKVI assault squad and a Deredeo into my cart to try it out.

From GW, this is 1980 SEK, free shipping.

From Ars Manufactorea, this is 158 euro plus 15 (minimum) for shipping, which converts to 1903 SEK total.

This is a discount of just over 4% in total, which isn't nothing (and gets a bit better if you buy an absolute ton of stuff at once, as shipping is a flat rate) but it's also not really better than what I can get locally (a bit better than my FLGS, but there are some places which can do better).

Part of the reason is that GW gives Sweden a fairly favourable exchange rate (1:10 euro to SEK instead of 1:11 as is the general conversion rate atm), since our currency has fallen hard in recent years and GW hasn't entirely caught up yet (though based on their last rounds of price increases, they absolutely are working on catching up, and I am not looking forward to that as my salary hasn't risen to match...)

I think there's a danger of mistaking incompetence for malice with the "one week early access" thing. It conceivably just didn't occur to someone that people who want the cards might not want to buy the Armageddon box, because as usual it's the Greatest Box Ever for the Greatest Game Ever from the company with the Best Models in the World, etc. The fact that the actual rules don't include a very basic, "Only War" type mission in them is ridiculous though.

Billicus wrote:
I think there's a danger of mistaking incompetence for malice with the "one week early access" thing. It conceivably just didn't occur to someone that people who want the cards might not want to buy the Armageddon box, because as usual it's the Greatest Box Ever for the Greatest Game Ever from the company with the Best Models in the World, etc. The fact that the actual rules don't include a very basic, "Only War" type mission in them is ridiculous though.

At least the app, while it needs some bugfixes, has the missions built in now.

Billicus wrote:
I think there's a danger of mistaking incompetence for malice with the "one week early access" thing. It conceivably just didn't occur to someone that people who want the cards might not want to buy the Armageddon box, because as usual it's the Greatest Box Ever for the Greatest Game Ever from the company with the Best Models in the World, etc. The fact that the actual rules don't include a very basic, "Only War" type mission in them is ridiculous though.

They probably just don't think one week is a big deal.

Chuddex wrote:

Billicus wrote:
I think there's a danger of mistaking incompetence for malice with the "one week early access" thing. It conceivably just didn't occur to someone that people who want the cards might not want to buy the Armageddon box, because as usual it's the Greatest Box Ever for the Greatest Game Ever from the company with the Best Models in the World, etc. The fact that the actual rules don't include a very basic, "Only War" type mission in them is ridiculous though.

They probably just don't think one week is a big deal.

Knowing GW, more like "If you're a real fan you'll be buying Armageddon becuse why wouldn't you"

Yeah, that's my thinking. Like they just genuinely didn't realise it'd be an issue because of *course* everyone will want the box!


Didn't know the missions were in the app now - that's good.

It is mildly annoying I guess, but it also is just a week so it doesn't really matter.

I'm also a bit disappointed that despite them being all "See, firstborn style helmets!" it looks like there are only THREE on the sprue, the rest are all the Primaris/MkIV style (and the Sgt. is required to have a bare head without conversions)

Hopefully the full Intercessor kit will have enough to do them all with the MkVII style.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 tauist wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
No, I didn't "forget" that. It depends a lot on region you live in, so I don't take it for granted. Here in Sweden for example you're lucky to get a 10% discount, the FLGS in my city is closer to 2%.

Ars Manufactorea ships EU-wide I make it a point to buy all my more expensive GW kits there. They have this "on hold" system where they will store your purchases for you until you decide to ship out everything, this saves a bunch on shipping

I checked them out and added a MKVI tactical squad, a MKVI assault squad and a Deredeo into my cart to try it out.

From GW, this is 1980 SEK, free shipping.

From Ars Manufactorea, this is 158 euro plus 15 (minimum) for shipping, which converts to 1903 SEK total.

This is a discount of just over 4% in total, which isn't nothing (and gets a bit better if you buy an absolute ton of stuff at once, as shipping is a flat rate) but it's also not really better than what I can get locally (a bit better than my FLGS, but there are some places which can do better).

Part of the reason is that GW gives Sweden a fairly favourable exchange rate (1:10 euro to SEK instead of 1:11 as is the general conversion rate atm), since our currency has fallen hard in recent years and GW hasn't entirely caught up yet (though based on their last rounds of price increases, they absolutely are working on catching up, and I am not looking forward to that as my salary hasn't risen to match...)

Swedish currency exchange rates treat you well. No such luck with us Finns..

In any case, just buying 3 standard HH kits, I'd def leave such a purchase "on hold". The trick with Ars is to only ship out stuff once you have absolutely covered the extraneous shipping, and that usually takes me several rounds of purchases. Indeed, as GW gives out free shipping for pretty much everything, buying just one or two regular priced kits isnt worth the hassle IME. However, if I wanted Armageddon and a battleforce, the calculus would look quite different

Wayniac wrote:
I'm also a bit disappointed that despite them being all "See, firstborn style helmets!" it looks like there are only THREE on the sprue, the rest are all the Primaris/MkIV style (and the Sgt. is required to have a bare head without conversions)

That irritates me more than it probably should. Down with bare heads! Every miniature that comes in full armor should include a helmeted option.

OldeSword wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I'm also a bit disappointed that despite them being all "See, firstborn style helmets!" it looks like there are only THREE on the sprue, the rest are all the Primaris/MkIV style (and the Sgt. is required to have a bare head without conversions)

That irritates me more than it probably should. Down with bare heads! Every miniature that comes in full armor should include a helmeted option.

Yep. Also I stand corrected, there are FIVE MkVII style helmets: 3 for the Intercessors and 2 for the Vanguard Vets.

Wayniac wrote:
I'm also a bit disappointed that despite them being all "See, firstborn style helmets!" it looks like there are only THREE on the sprue, the rest are all the Primaris/MkIV style (and the Sgt. is required to have a bare head without conversions)

Hopefully the full Intercessor kit will have enough to do them all with the MkVII style.

Unfortunately expected. The Outrider squad also requires conversions to give the Sergeant a helmet.

It's really badly overpriced as a standalone box. Zero options of any kind.


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 tauist wrote:
Swedish currency exchange rates treat you well. No such luck with us Finns..

Unfortunately it's less GW treating us well and more them just not yet being caught up with our collapsing money Dx

Has it been revealed what the bonus for ordering the Armageddon box from a GW store is that requires us to show up today with the Armageddon coin?
I've seen absolutely nothing about it except vagueness and guesswork, despite stores being open for hours by now.

OldeSword wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I'm also a bit disappointed that despite them being all "See, firstborn style helmets!" it looks like there are only THREE on the sprue, the rest are all the Primaris/MkIV style (and the Sgt. is required to have a bare head without conversions)

That irritates me more than it probably should. Down with bare heads! Every miniature that comes in full armor should include a helmeted option.

Funny thing is, guys without helmet get some personality, so you rather remove the dull helmet guy first, so helmet is not great for protection But then again I came in to this hobby by 5th edition space wolves, so Im probably biased.

My friend used to think the sgt was a human, leading his band of nine robot men until I showed him the old sgt model with the removed helm modelled on the waistband.

I used to get annoyed about the helmet thing too but really it's a "readability across the table" issue. You just want your squad leaders to be visually obvious.

Chuddex wrote:
My friend used to think the sgt was a human, leading his band of nine robot men until I showed him the old sgt model with the removed helm modelled on the waistband.

Reminds me of my time as a Till Monkey in a GW Store. Well meaning parents and grandparents coming in with vague descriptions of the kids army.

Worst one when we had 40K, WHFB and LOTR was “oh, he collects Orks/Orcs”.

Of course, a few open questions could more often than not lead to a successful purchase. For the more ambiguous? Just be honest that “I think that’s what he’s collecting”, and explain to keep the receipt, as if not, with the sealed product and receipt there’s a no other quibbles exchange. And that includes if I had identified the right army, but their collection needs a different unit.

 Fayric wrote:


Funny thing is, guys without helmet get some personality, so you rather remove the dull helmet guy first, so helmet is not great for protection But then again I came in to this hobby by 5th edition space wolves, so Im probably biased.

Definitely biased. Across my 7k points of Alpha Legion, I have exactly one unhelmeted model, and only because I built the model eleven years ago and wasn't in the mood to pull him apart!

Helmet obsessing has never made sense to me, in the same way that I don't find it strange that some of my models aren't aiming their guns but are still allowed to shoot, aren't crouching to make use of cover, etc, I can understand that the guys modelled with their helmets off do in fact have access to them, there isn't a shortage, it's just to make the miniatures look cool.

Yes. I just think they look more cool with the helmet. I am also biased, but I am modelling my army for me, not for anyone else!

Da Boss wrote:I used to get annoyed about the helmet thing too but really it's a "readability across the table" issue. You just want your squad leaders to be visually obvious.

That is fair, and I've considered how to make my squad leaders, special weapons guys, and other key miniatures stand out for that reason.

Billicus wrote:Helmet obsessing has never made sense to me, in the same way that I don't find it strange that some of my models aren't aiming their guns but are still allowed to shoot, aren't crouching to make use of cover, etc, I can understand that the guys modelled with their helmets off do in fact have access to them, there isn't a shortage, it's just to make the miniatures look cool.

Exactly. And many people, including myself, think that helmets look way cooler than bare heads. If part of the pitch is that your guy is this heavily armored killing machine, it undermines the effect when he is begging to get shot in the face. See: The Hammer and Bolter episode where the exarch killed the reiver by slicing the unarmored half of his skull off. It's such a common sentiment that it's a little baffling whenever a helmet isn't included.

The poses are snapshots of the action: Sometimes they are standing, sometimes they are running, sometimes they are shooting, and sometimes they are throwing a grenade. Or whatever. Any of those could happen in any fight, so the poses fit. Conversely, I also find it annoying when a miniature has a pose that makes it look like it was rejected from the Commemorative Series or involves it carrying its own props into battle. There have been several miniatures that I thought looked cool or would fill an important role and considered getting - except that I would have to figure out how remove the obnoxious prop and fix the pose so that they fit in with the rest of the army that is fighting a battle.