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 Yodhrin wrote:
Maybe I'm not getting enough of a handle on 20K units, but it doesn't sound like a whole lot globally.

To put things in the right perspective, the first run of the D&D current books were 10k each, globally. Every other RPG in the planet does runs of 1.5k, at most.

Although sure, they did reprint fast.

As to the starter... yikes, 180 is too steep for something I still feel is oversized for the kinda game it is. I guess I'm not buying into it... I'll get some knights for Epic (although they'll probably be too big too...) and that's it, at least for the moment.

 smurfORnot wrote:
180 is a lot for 6 primaris size knights + 2 warlords. And I kinda don't see it being very appealing just to play as core box with 1 warlord + 3knights vs 1 warlord + 3knights. This would get old very fast, whoever has a bit more luck with dices wins. So you wanna invest in few more blisters, and suddenly you are already at 300pounds mark and have like 6 models per side,lol, of which 50% are primaris size...

Are there not two Reavers and buildings too?

Despite its scale AT looks to be more of a skirmish type game than a mass combat one. I doubt most games will see more than a dozen models per side.

OK, so, Warlords are a little bit shorter than 40K size Knights…
Let’s say £100 for two, based on IK:R pricing. That means £80 gets you… two £25-30 boxes of Knights, the £40-60 rulebook+datasheets+dice+tokens+templates, some unknown quantity of terrain (call it a £25 set based on the last two terrain releases)? At the shorter end of that, it’s still a £35 saving vs the face value of the sets, could be as much as £65, or even more, and doesn’t even factor in the possibility of getting Reavers too… I’m getting one.

They said you would get a Warlord free. So £40 for the rules box £50 for two sets of 3 Knights and £30 for the scenery, means £60 for a Warlord, giving you one Warlord 'free'.
The value proposition is not too bad, it is quite simply a big sticker price.

I think once we see the boxed set in its entirity and all else that's at the launch the prices might seem better. Right now we are in a bit of a lull in info. We've not even seen the warhounds as yet.

Cyrixiinus wrote:

Right I've been chatting with several GW staff and I have bad news at launch the grandmaster boxset is limited to 20000 copies world wide with no more available until Xmas with a sale price of £180 and will NOT be available in-store



This is due to low production prority as it's only a specialist game

Grandmaster damion on the Bolter and Chainsword.

Are you gaking me!? extremely limited release on a product they have been pushing at a lot of events and a hefty £180 price tag! was more expecting @£120 entry point in line with most the other boxes

 Original Timmy wrote:

Are you gaking me!? extremely limited release on a product they have been pushing at a lot of events and a hefty £180 price tag! was more expecting @£120 entry point in line with most the other boxes

20,000 copies is hardly 'extermely limited'. That's enough for every single GW store globally to have 25 copies each with many to spare. That's before factoring in the cheaper rules-only starter set too.

It's also worth pointing out that every single product release ever (not just for GW) is a 'limited release' simply because there is always a finite amount of product made. We usually just don't know what that figure is.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yeah, 20k is, taken at face value, a lot of product.

To put it on context, they could (I know the rumour says they're not, but they could) send each store on the planet 5 copies and still have 90% of it left.

Do you know how many copies worldwide GW made for Armageddon and Blood Bowl? they ran out pretty quick and im trying to see if this might be a similar case.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It is indeed.

Sceptical as I usually am of such things, it’s still the only info we’ve got so far.

Ha! Good one there!

Clarification was this:

Grandmaster damion wrote:Right lts a combination of managers back from regional brief at Nottingham and some one in warehouse

Cannot be more specific as I don't want to land them in hot water I was in two minds as to weather to post at all

I trust them all implicetly as we have been good friends for years

So...maybe a notch above "My local Redshirt told me" but...still up for debate, I'd imagine.

GW realizes that it is going to be popular enough to shift it from resin to plastic, but then limits availability to online through them only?

Sure, I can see greed (and cutting out the middleman and essentially doubling profits) rearing its ugly head, but...still not...sold on this 'rumor'!

 Original Timmy wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yeah, 20k is, taken at face value, a lot of product.

To put it on context, they could (I know the rumour says they're not, but they could) send each store on the planet 5 copies and still have 90% of it left.

Do you know how many copies worldwide GW made for Armageddon and Blood Bowl? they ran out pretty quick and im trying to see if this might be a similar case.

Don’t think anyone has that info. Rumor just dropped some numbers that we have no comparison for to other typical releases. For what it’s worth they overproduced Dreadfleet, and had the excess stock recalled and destroyed.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yeah, 20k is, taken at face value, a lot of product.

To put it on context, they could (I know the rumour says they're not, but they could) send each store on the planet 5 copies and still have 90% of it left.

Do you know how many copies worldwide GW made for Armageddon and Blood Bowl? they ran out pretty quick and im trying to see if this might be a similar case.

Don’t think anyone has that info. Rumor just dropped some numbers that we have no comparison for to other typical releases. For what it’s worth they overproduced Dreadfleet, and had the stock recalled and destroyed.

Thanks,i just hope GW makes it limited to 1 per person, as hopefully it will mean a few less for scalpers and a few more for us and other hobbyists .

While i have never played Dreadfleet i did get a BNIB copy of Ebay a while back and was impressed with the contents.


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 xttz wrote:

 Original Timmy wrote:

Are you gaking me!? extremely limited release on a product they have been pushing at a lot of events and a hefty £180 price tag! was more expecting @£120 entry point in line with most the other boxes

20,000 copies is hardly 'extermely limited'. That's enough for every single GW store globally to have 25 copies each with many to spare. That's before factoring in the cheaper rules-only starter set too.

It's also worth pointing out that every single product release ever (not just for GW) is a 'limited release' simply because there is always a finite amount of product made. We usually just don't know what that figure is.

Well if it sells out quickly and they need to wait 4 months before a restock, id call that extremely limited for an initial release, i hope im wrong and all of us who want a copy can all get a copy, only time will tell.

Just to add my own little moan to this - I've played AT right from the start in the early 90s, and was so hoping for a better price than this. If it really comes out at that then there's no way I can justify that purchase. It's just too much, for such limited content. It comes to something when they price me out of buying something I really love. But at that price. Nope.
And the people I play with and hoped to introduce this to are also nope. We can't be alone in this.

I was worried about the pricing when they announced the change in Titan scale and if this is true then that's it for me.

Really disappointed and hoping for this to be a crappy rumour.

Vorian wrote:

 smurfORnot wrote:
180 is a lot for 6 primaris size knights + 2 warlords. And I kinda don't see it being very appealing just to play as core box with 1 warlord + 3knights vs 1 warlord + 3knights. This would get old very fast, whoever has a bit more luck with dices wins. So you wanna invest in few more blisters, and suddenly you are already at 300pounds mark and have like 6 models per side,lol, of which 50% are primaris size...

Are there not two Reavers and buildings too?

Reavers? Nope.

Buildings? Yes, but we don’t know how many.

Gotta stop calling the Grand Master edition a “starter”. It isn’t. It’s more akin to an all in pledge on Kickstarter.

I was hoping for £150 personally as recently sold stuff on eBay to the tune of 300 quid meaning 2 boxes was an easy buy.

MaxT wrote:
Gotta stop calling the Grand Master edition a “starter”. It isn’t. It’s more akin to an all in pledge on Kickstarter.

I was hoping for £150 personally as recently sold stuff on eBay to the tune of 300 quid meaning 2 boxes was an easy buy.

It really isn’t. 2 armies, rules, dice and terrain has been the standard for starter sets for decades. “All in” would mean getting Reavers, Warhounds and weapon options, which you don’t get.

All in pledge with '8' models for 180pounds(of which 6 are like 35mm,lol)...you surely have not seen CMON/ Mythic battles pantheon/Joan or arc starters, where you kinda get 10kg of very good quality plastic for that much money

for example this is what around 110pounds gets you with shipping:
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/018/863/190/3994ec1550035d8d994e6e95c4e9dd96_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1508680603&auto=format&q=92&s=32c60fdfaec73be4f0e2a751b9d880f4
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/019/159/562/8fb086646a60c665005b8cc4f7cfd67e_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1510318826&auto=format&q=92&s=7fca60aef6b98d05dc9033b63302fcd7

Okay, this is smaller scale, but actually, few of those models are really big!

or maybe this for same price of aroun 110pounds:
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/021/488/200/81f24ca2c08acbc4a917e1d1b649ce45_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1528281995&auto=format&lossless=true&s=e1b78592ee40efa5c7405f87e11b8246

So your all in ks for that price analogy is really really bad content wise.

The big question is exactly how much scenery we get in the box. If it is a full table's worth then the price seems about right.

MaxT wrote:
Gotta stop calling the Grand Master edition a “starter”. It isn’t. It’s more akin to an all in pledge on Kickstarter.

I was hoping for £150 personally as recently sold stuff on eBay to the tune of 300 quid meaning 2 boxes was an easy buy.

Don't know about you, but usual parlance states that a "starter" is "a box you can use to start without other purchases". That usually means rules, dice, assorted stuff and two factions in this kind of games, plus maybe scenery (that is less common, although it might have card scenery or the like as a stopgap).

So, from the lineup given by GW, the Grand Master edition is the only one that can be called that. The other box is just what one would usually call "a rulebook".

 Scott-S6 wrote:
The big question is exactly how much scenery we get in the box. If it is a full table's worth then the price seems about right.

To that point, do we yet know what constitutes a 'table' for AT?

Is it 6x4? 4x4? 3x3? 3x2? Or one of GW's new "totally different to everyone else including all the mat manufacturers out there" 22" x 30" tables?

Because I agree, if it has a full table's worth of terrain then the price makes a lot of sense. I just depends on what a "full table" actually is!

Aw, don't know where I got the two extra Reavers from :(

Ah well, wait and see what it actually looks like before worrying over a rumour.

I believe it's 4x4

Vorian wrote:
Aw, don't know where I got the two extra Reavers from :(

Ah well, wait and see what it actually looks like before worrying over a rumour.

I believe it's 4x4

If Warlords are indeed just a tad smaller than Knights, 4'x4' might be awfully small as soon as you get more than one per side.

You can see the table set ups from Warhammer fest (or whatever it was called) to see what it actually looks like.

I think it looks fine, but ymmv

It does indeed, yes.

Don't worry. 15,000 copies will be on Ebay within the week for £500 each

You can just buy everything separately - so the worst case scenario is you dont get your Warlord equivalent free.

Scalping isn't really going to be a massive problem.

Not with that many copies on sale.

This isn't a true limited product so there's little reason for scalpers to pay attention to it. More likely you'll get a few kit break ups on ebay, but that would lower the price from the retail for the individual parts of the kit.

Scalpers far prefer to target actual very short print runs of things which they can then jack the prices up on because they can snare a bigger chunk of the product market.

It's hard to overcharge and get actual sales if the host company still has stock or sells the individual parts that make up the combined kit.

...roll on August then eh ?

So the city is 2 of this set?



Hopefully you can stack them into a skyscrapper.