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Spoiler:


Because this is a normal sized human on a 40k scale Warlord and looking at my AT Warlord I can see that door is about 10 or 11mm.


   
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Vorian wrote:
Spoiler:

Because this is a normal sized human on a 40k scale Warlord and looking at my AT Warlord I can see that door is about 10 or 11mm.


I printed this guy too small (he's about 5mm), but if you take that into account you'll see the size is... pretty on point, I'd say, honestly, at least for me.

Spoiler:




And a marine:

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I'm sure at this scale they are fine - but from GW I'd hope the normal infantry were just a bit bigger than the marine there.

Head should be just above the circular door. Marines should then be noticeably bigger again.
   
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Vorian wrote:
I'm sure at this scale they are fine - but from GW I'd hope the normal infantry were just a bit bigger than the marine there.

Head should be just above the circular door. Marines should then be noticeably bigger again.


Problem is, I feel, that then all the rest will look a bit too small for them. Kinda like most vehicles look in 40k.

But I guess in the end is a matter of taste. For all the rest, the "official" answer was that AT scale is 1/4th 40k scale.

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Aye, hopefully the official stuff just keeps consistent to 40k sizing but smaller. Even if that doesn't always make the most sense
   
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Hats off to ya, that looks awesome!
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
For all the rest, the "official" answer was that AT scale is 1/4th 40k scale.


And 40k is probably closest to 32mm***. 32/4 = 8mm.

I don't own any titans for AT, but all the aircraft definitely make the most sense if they're 8mm. You can start with the fluff vales and calculate the scale as a ratio and you end up closest to the equivalent of 8mm scale, and if you compare them to real world aircraft that are 8mm scale they feel about right for 8mm.



***Obviously 40k scale is all over the joint, but regular humans are in the 30-32mm range.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
For all the rest, the "official" answer was that AT scale is 1/4th 40k scale.


And 40k is probably closest to 32mm***. 32/4 = 8mm.

I don't own any titans for AT, but all the aircraft definitely make the most sense if they're 8mm. You can start with the fluff vales and calculate the scale as a ratio and you end up closest to the equivalent of 8mm scale, and if you compare them to real world aircraft that are 8mm scale they feel about right for 8mm.



***Obviously 40k scale is all over the joint, but regular humans are in the 30-32mm range.


It would really depend on which humans you're talking about, as the scale there is all over tha place ^^
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
The_Real_Chris wrote:
Of course GWs currently scale is a bit odd - they insist a normal guy would be 6mm tall (1/285) but the consensus is they are more 8mm (1/200) productions to date…

That's marines, bub


Well this is based on the Leman Russ that was on the boards and the Titans as they haven't made any marine figures yet? Those features seem to be scaled at 1/200 / 8mm.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
For all the rest, the "official" answer was that AT scale is 1/4th 40k scale.


And 40k is probably closest to 32mm***. 32/4 = 8mm.

I don't own any titans for AT, but all the aircraft definitely make the most sense if they're 8mm. You can start with the fluff vales and calculate the scale as a ratio and you end up closest to the equivalent of 8mm scale, and if you compare them to real world aircraft that are 8mm scale they feel about right for 8mm.



***Obviously 40k scale is all over the joint, but regular humans are in the 30-32mm range.


It would really depend on which humans you're talking about, as the scale there is all over tha place ^^


The new DKOK are maybe 32mm-ish to the top of the head and 28-ish to the eye. One of my old metal Commissars is about 31mm to the eye.

Probably no more variation than real humans I guess, there's roughly 13% variation in height from a 5th percentile male to a 95th percentile male.

It get whacky when we start talking about Space Marines, because they're not consistent with humans compared to the fluff.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
For all the rest, the "official" answer was that AT scale is 1/4th 40k scale.


And 40k is probably closest to 32mm***. 32/4 = 8mm.

I don't own any titans for AT, but all the aircraft definitely make the most sense if they're 8mm. You can start with the fluff vales and calculate the scale as a ratio and you end up closest to the equivalent of 8mm scale, and if you compare them to real world aircraft that are 8mm scale they feel about right for 8mm.



***Obviously 40k scale is all over the joint, but regular humans are in the 30-32mm range.


Getting my tape measure out and measuring my Warlord today, it's about 9mm to the top of the circular door on the back from the floor.

I've only got an imperial pilot and DKK command HQ here from Forgeworld, but they are about 36mm to the top of the head (3mm being the base). The plastic female Catachan from GW itself is about the same too.

So that fits with 1/4 size, with a normal human being just over 8mm to the top of the head unbased.
   
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So, are folk trying to assemble their night wings so the wings are free? I've just dry fitted one and I'm not sure I can glue it without accidentally gluing the wings in place, and even if I manage to leave them free I imagine they'll become jammed when I go to paint them.

How are other people tackling it? Maybe paint first and build after?

Vorian wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
For all the rest, the "official" answer was that AT scale is 1/4th 40k scale.


And 40k is probably closest to 32mm***. 32/4 = 8mm.

I don't own any titans for AT, but all the aircraft definitely make the most sense if they're 8mm. You can start with the fluff vales and calculate the scale as a ratio and you end up closest to the equivalent of 8mm scale, and if you compare them to real world aircraft that are 8mm scale they feel about right for 8mm.



***Obviously 40k scale is all over the joint, but regular humans are in the 30-32mm range.


Getting my tape measure out and measuring my Warlord today, it's about 9mm to the top of the circular door on the back from the floor.

I've only got an imperial pilot and DKK command HQ here from Forgeworld, but they are about 36mm to the top of the head (3mm being the base). The plastic female Catachan from GW itself is about the same too.

So that fits with 1/4 size, with a normal human being just over 8mm to the top of the head unbased.


My measurements of the DKOK and commissar were unbased.

If it's not too hard to measure on the Warlord, what's the height from the floor to the hand rail? Hand rails tend to be roughly hip height around about 1m off the ground, whereas door heights can vary quite a bit. So the hand rail height multiplied by maybe 1.83-ish would give you the height of a scaled down 6 foot tall person, assuming they put hand rails at highly the same height in a few 10's of thousands of years

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Wasn't Gaunt the size of a Primaris Marine?

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I am just about to build my nightwings so I'll let you know how I get on! Edit: it was fine, just be sparing with the glue and glue away from the wings.

Aye, I was meaning to post just agreeing with you basically. 8mm normal people and 1/4 40k is the most accurate description I think.

These things are so bloody small that any measurement is approximate, but the handrail is about 5mm or so.

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The Fire Raptor model is on the front picture of the Outer Reaches game board box

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robbienw wrote:
The Fire Raptor model is on the front picture of the Outer Reaches game board box



Well spotted! It's there alright, top right:



Odds are it'll be plastic!

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Vorian wrote:
I am just about to build my nightwings so I'll let you know how I get on! Edit: it was fine, just be sparing with the glue and glue away from the wings.

Aye, I was meaning to post just agreeing with you basically. 8mm normal people and 1/4 40k is the most accurate description I think.

These things are so bloody small that any measurement is approximate, but the handrail is about 5mm or so.


Doesn't match what GW said though. Or since when space marine is normal people?

GW specifically said they went for scale that put SPACE MARINE as 8mm.

Funny enough...Actually measuring and basic math also supports that. We have models. We know how big they are supposed to be "real life". Then crunch it up. It's been done. Tad around 1:300 scale. In case 1:XXX isn't familiar 1:285 is what is commonly called 6mm scale.

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Pretty sure GW have said it's 1/4 40k size, which measuring the miniatures seems correct (see above).

If you take a normal person in 40k as 32mm to the top of their head and a Marine as 34mm then you're getting 8mm and 8.5mm respectively.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Vorian wrote:
I am just about to build my nightwings so I'll let you know how I get on! Edit: it was fine, just be sparing with the glue and glue away from the wings.

Aye, I was meaning to post just agreeing with you basically. 8mm normal people and 1/4 40k is the most accurate description I think.

These things are so bloody small that any measurement is approximate, but the handrail is about 5mm or so.


Doesn't match what GW said though. Or since when space marine is normal people?

GW specifically said they went for scale that put SPACE MARINE as 8mm.


If it's a 40k Space Marine, then yeah, they aren't much taller than humans.

Funny enough...Actually measuring and basic math also supports that. We have models. We know how big they are supposed to be "real life". Then crunch it up. It's been done. Tad around 1:300 scale. In case 1:XXX isn't familiar 1:285 is what is commonly called 6mm scale.


For AI, that is demonstrably false. Every aircraft I've measured for AI is in the 1/200 to 1/220 range when compared to their fluff values, which puts it at 8mm scale. I also have a bunch of the old FW planes, and they were in the 1/285 to 1/300 range, which is correct for 6mm scale.

Maybe AT is different, but I think Titans in 40k have always had whacky scales, being larger in the fluff than in the flesh.

But for AI, 8mm is a lot closer to being on the money.

If AI were 6mm, then the 'real life' aircraft they represent would be huge.

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Can we not have yet another debate on scales. Again
   
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So plastic THawk and FRaptor, but probably not a plastic Vampire or other Eldar aircraft - and probably also no resin Vampire/aircraft unless GW surprises us (IIRC the forgeworld resin units for the previous wave of releases were included in the Tau and Imperium card packs, though IIRC the first wave of releases did not include cards for the initial set of resin aircraft that GW did for Orks/Imperium

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Mega bommer is not in any books.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
Mega bommer is not in any books.


Think the book it was in is out of print, but is available as a digital version.

Luckily we have this.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/15/flight-plan-mega-air-waaagh/

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 stonehorse wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
Mega bommer is not in any books.


Think the book it was in is out of print, but I'd available as a digital version.

Luckily we have this.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/15/flight-plan-mega-air-waaagh/


I don't think it was ever in any AI books, maybe a WD?

It came out after the 2nd campaign book, and it wasn't in the 2nd campaign book.

Maybe the Vampire will get similar treatment.

Currently Eldar don't have any transport options, so I'd be surprised if they don't get something else.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 stonehorse wrote:
Chopstick wrote:
Mega bommer is not in any books.


Think the book it was in is out of print, but I'd available as a digital version.

Luckily we have this.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/09/15/flight-plan-mega-air-waaagh/


I don't think it was ever in any AI books, maybe a WD?

It came out after the 2nd campaign book, and it wasn't in the 2nd campaign book.

It wasn’t in a campaign book. My friend bought it and all we have rules wise is the WarCom article and the paper datacard that came with the miniature.

The two part-resin Marauder variants weren’t in the books either. I think they and the Mega-Bommer were more of an afterthought.

It’s still strange that the Eldar only get two flyer types in their cards set, plus the resin ground assets, but no vampires.
   
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I expect the vampire will be released by Forgeworld, and have the rules with the kit.

They simply didn't preview it so far, just like the ground assets for eldars and space marines.

TBH, I was surprised how fast they did advertise the pre-order for the ground assets. It shows to me how late they are in their release calendar.
   
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The ground assets are in the Eldar cards though.

I tend to think we'll get another book at some point that might include a Vampire (maybe a FW one though, similar to the Drones and Ground Assets), but that's just a wild guess. Another option is FW release the Vampire some time in the future and it doesn't feature in any books. Another option (and the worst option!) is the Eldar release is finished and this is genuinely all we get.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The ground assets are in the Eldar cards though.

I tend to think we'll get another book at some point that might include a Vampire (maybe a FW one though, similar to the Drones and Ground Assets), but that's just a wild guess. Another option is FW release the Vampire some time in the future and it doesn't feature in any books. Another option (and the worst option!) is the Eldar release is finished and this is genuinely all we get.



Agree. FW resin kits that were ‚previewed‘ in the campaign books and cards: Vulture (incomplete weapon options), Arvus, AM ground assets, Remora, Tau ground assets, Marines ground assets, Eldar ground assets.

Not previewed: part-resin Marauder variants, Mega-Bommer.

We did not have any plastic kits other than the ones visible in the campaign books / card sets.

Marines will get at least two more flyers in plastic (raptor maybe part resin). Would be odd if Eldar are stuck with the initial two, but they are filthy xenos after all. And with the pattern above, any Vampire should not be in plastic.
   
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Putting a lot of the xenos ships in the hands of Forgeworld is a sure fired way to kill the game.

GW prices are bad enough but Forgeworld's are ludicrous.

Think I'll just stick the contents of the boxed games and view this as a complete board game... with beautiful miniatures to paint up.

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I have a suspicion that GW doesn't see much return in investing in plastics for the game. They may switch to largely resin releases with the odd plastic campaign set
   
 
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