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tneva82 wrote:


Doesn't match what GW said though. Or since when space marine is normal people?

GW specifically said they went for scale that put SPACE MARINE as 8mm.


Ah but this is where mm scale gets fun. When we say something is 6mm scale that doesn't mean a tank or space marine is 6mm high, it means an average human is 6mm to the eyes/top of head (depending on who is talking).

As a marine is 8? foot tall in 6mm they should be 7.5mm-8mm tall. So if a chap from GW says 8mm, he might mean the model is 8mm tall, or that the scale is 8mm so a space marine is 10.5-11mm tall...
   
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I wouldn't have thought dividing by four is so difficult.

   
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 Crimson wrote:
I wouldn't have thought dividing by four is so difficult.


LOL, the problem is 40k has such whacky scales that when you divide by 4 is still gives whacky scales.

But yeah, 40k is very roughly in that 28 to 32mm scale, so divide by 4 and you get 7 to 8mm, which seems pretty consistent with the models we have currently.

If GW ever decide to release infantry I'm sure it'll be clearer to folk who struggle to divide one number by another
   
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Let's get back on topic shall we? Take the scale discussion elsewhere please.
   
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 zedmeister wrote:
I have a suspicion that GW doesn't see much return in investing in plastics for the game. They may switch to largely resin releases with the odd plastic campaign set


This is verifiably true, it's why only Wings of Vengeance was produced in plastic and every other release since has been resin. Clearly producing a 2nd 2-player box in plastic was not worth it due to poor sales, and GW will never do a 3rd box in plastic /s

I mean, the game has done well enough that we now have all the major factions in plastic, even if we don't have all the releases for those in plastic. Hopefully it's done well enough to justify expansions beyond the initial (well the rumored initial) factions we now have. I would LOVE plastic Ramora drones and a plastic Vampire, ideally we get additional faction in plastic like Chaos/Necron/Tyranids. I suspect some of it will come down simply to production issues, since GW is struggling to keep up demand as it is

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 Kalamadea wrote:
I mean, the game has done well enough that we now have all the major factions in plastic

Given all the whining from their fans, I'm hardly the biggest fan of Chaos - but I don't think you can really say you have all the major factions from 40k in a game when they're absent.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Kalamadea wrote:
 zedmeister wrote:
I have a suspicion that GW doesn't see much return in investing in plastics for the game. They may switch to largely resin releases with the odd plastic campaign set


This is verifiably true, it's why only Wings of Vengeance was produced in plastic and every other release since has been resin. Clearly producing a 2nd 2-player box in plastic was not worth it due to poor sales, and GW will never do a 3rd box in plastic /s


It depends how much they already sunk into development. The 2nd boxed set didn't come long after the first, perhaps suggesting much of the work had already been done. This set only has 4 sprues and we'll probably get another sprue with the Thunderhawk. That's hardly a big investment for GW these days.

   
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4 sprues is a whole year of release for blood bowl, probably 2 for Middle Earth.
   
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Chopstick wrote:
4 sprues is a whole year of release for blood bowl, probably 2 for Middle Earth.


Apples and oranges though.

4 sprues for blood bowl is 4 whole teams, and their sprues are twice the size with less duplication (I know they duplicate sprues in BB teams, but it’s still 6 unique models compared to Eldar and SM in AI that have 2 planes each just duplicated over and over).

GW pump out lots of sprues these days, I don’t think half a dozen half sized sprues represents a large investment from them these days.
   
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The Blood Bowl sprue are not double the size of an AI sprue, they're the same size. The AI "ordnance-build option" sprue is at half size, but Blood Bowl also have goblin and halfling team come in those same half sprue.

It's 4 sprue for 1 single release, with Fire Raptor and Thunderhawk the cost will undoubtedly much higher than Blood Bowl.

Warlord and Warmaster are what a double size sprue looks like, and Warmaster being on 4 double size sprues with another double size weapon sprue coming, pretty much halted any other release for AT for over a year.

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Sorry, I just checked and yeah, I was wrong about the size of the BB sprue, it's the same size as an AI sprue.

But I still say apples to oranges because a BB sprue represents a whole team.

And my point was never "AI gets less investment in sprues than other specialist games", it was "5 sprues is not a large investment for GW these days".

I think it's more telling that AI's release was only on the front page of GW's site for 1 week, and after a brand new release AI still doesn't have a banner ad when you go to "Boxed Games" on their store, and AI has only had 15 WarCom article mentions in the past year.

I reckon AI is still getting releases because it was either part of a long term plan and it hasn't bombed so bad as to change that plan, or modern GW appreciates having a diverse range of products even if all of them don't sell like a house on fire. But most of the indications are that AI isn't a brilliant seller for GW, and 5 sprues is not the investment it was 20 years ago to convince me otherwise.

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I don't think this has been announced yet but check the articles on war community under "new fr forge world" or whatever - there's a thumbnail of ground assets for eldar and space Marines I hadn't seen referenced anywhere yet!
   
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axotl wrote:
I don't think this has been announced yet but check the articles on war community under "new fr forge world" or whatever - there's a thumbnail of ground assets for eldar and space Marines I hadn't seen referenced anywhere yet!


Then you might have been browsing this place with your eyes closed, because we have already discussed them at length, for they have already been revealed.
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axotl wrote:
I don't think this has been announced yet but check the articles on war community under "new fr forge world" or whatever - there's a thumbnail of ground assets for eldar and space Marines I hadn't seen referenced anywhere yet!

You mean, apart from page 56 onwards, right? You can go buy them now.

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Oh wow that's amazing no idea how I missed that. Didn't see them on the site, nor spotted any article about them. Not to throw shade but maybe it's because this thread has been bickering about scale for days on end. Still any discussion on this game is better than none.

Any word on them bringing the tau/navy ground assets back? Those were out of print within the first month as far as I remember. But then again, I was wrong literally minutes ago..
   
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axotl wrote:
Any word on them bringing the tau/navy ground assets back? Those were out of print within the first month as far as I remember. But then again, I was wrong literally minutes ago..


The Tau assets are out of stock on FW, but I imagine they'll come back in stock eventually, everything else has been.

The Imperial resin ones are still available on FW.

The plastic Imperial assets (the ones that came in a pack with the Ork ones) are available again now from GW, but I dunno if they'll continue with them. I think they were Made in China rather than directly by GW in the UK, so I wouldn't expect them to last forever.


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axotl wrote:
...but maybe it's because this thread has been bickering...


Welcome to every news thread on Dakka since forever There's 1 post of news then 5 pages of discussion, most of which is off topic.

If anything this thread is quieter than most GW game news threads.






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More thunderhawk previews...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/18/thunderhawks-from-12-chapters-rule-the-skies-in-this-epic-aeronautica-imperialis-showcase/

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Thunderhawks are a'comin':

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/18/thunderhawks-from-12-chapters-rule-the-skies-in-this-epic-aeronautica-imperialis-showcase/

   
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Lovely looking T'Hawks!

Quick question for IA vets, are magnets recommended for the planes or is it a case of slap whatever is cool on them and play whatever you want?

   
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 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Lovely looking T'Hawks!

Quick question for IA vets, are magnets recommended for the planes or is it a case of slap whatever is cool on them and play whatever you want?


Probably too small for magnets, I think most people will be okay with you doing the latter (slap whatever you want on there and play it how you will). For the most part the weapon alternates are very small and non-obvious as they are positioned under the wings, etc. The only time you might have to go WYSIWYG is something like a Tau Tigershark where the weapons are large and obvious or where you have things like the Valkyriee/Vendetta or the Marauder Destroyer/Marauder Bomber where they are two similar aircraft with completely different loadouts. As far as the Thunderhawk is concerned however, going through the photos in the Warcom article it doesn't look like theres any alternate weapon loadouts as they all seem to be armed identically.

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I have magnetized my tigershark bombers main guns, and the turrets on my Marauders (more so I can pivot them around but still), so you can do some, but just looking at the missile hardpoints says it might be doable, though it'd take smaller magnets than I can generally find, or hoping a magnet to wire grab would work with the magnet in the wing, but it'd be really obnoxious and not worth it.
   
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Only alternates I can think of for Thunderhawk is T-Hawk cannon vs Turbolaser, and Bomb racks vs Hellstrike racks
   
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You can totally magnetise the Nightwings as the actual weapon pod is a single piece that covers both guns and is relatively large compared to the missile hardpoints on the imperial fighters. A single 2×1mm disc in the middle is more than sufficient.

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I'd completely forgot about the Thunderhawk, with a bit of luck there will be an as yet unseen Eldar Vampire to go along side it when it is released.

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And the Manta for the tau. Would love to see the updated style for it.
   
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Is that a new base extension to make it stand higher off the base? At first I thought it was a conversion, then I noticed they all had it.


Also, is it just me or do the windows that make up the top of the canopy look a bit "meh" when painted (rather than being transparent like on the 40k scale version). I think the old style canopy that had smaller windows might have looked better.
   
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Awesome news! Need at least a couple of these for AT.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
And the Manta for the tau. Would love to see the updated style for it.


That would be nice to see, also wouldean that every faction (Imperial, Ork, Tau, and Eldar) have a big plane in plastic. Would finish off the system nicely.

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The Manta is in an entirely different size category from the Vampire or anything that has been released for Imperium/Orks thus far.

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