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I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
P Marines are a space marine army, so I doubt they'll have a SC box
Uh.. yeah.. well, there's Start Collecting Space Marines, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves.. but I totally see your point
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
Yeah.. I'm in that large group that stopped playing 40k because of bad business decisions from GW and them treating customers like an ATM so I didn't know about the previous edition codex pricing.
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
keep in mind the SM codex is described as "nearly the same size as the core rule book" this means the codex is proalby gonna be 250+ pages long.
But that's a whole 'nother problem. I don't know that I really want another 40k book that big. I already have stacks of that with all the same fluff and backstory... Now, I'm buying a bigger book because.. reasons? I didn't ask for a massive codex and I really don't think I want one. I get that Space marines are gonna get the royal treatment.. but even if this was a book about my favorite army (not Space Marines) I don't think I need it to be a freakin coffee table piece. If they want to release side books like that.. hey cool.. good on them.
Hold on.. I get it and I know what reaction I'm about to get "come on man.. this is the first codex, how can you be so negative about it". Because I have seen GW do this crap before. New edition hits "boom" new space marine dex.. THEN.. a year later, they'll drop another space marine dex and it'll be just as ridiculous. Part of the reason I have steered clear is because I watched how they were following in TSRs footsteps with splat books... and we have no reason to believe they won't do that.. so them dropping physically massive and somewhat expensive books on us.. then yeah.. I'll just stay away and use the $160 worth of 8th ed stuff I got (including the indices)..
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Being the Space Marine codex I'm pretty sure you can waith for the softback one MLaw. I'm pretty sure the hardback is gonna be sold out in left than a month.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2017/07/18 03:57:23
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
Galas wrote: Being the Space Marine codex I'm pretty sure you can waith for the softback one MLaw. I'm pretty sure the hardback is gonna be sold out in left than a month.
I didn't see mention of a softback. Do we know if it will be more concise or possibly what the pricing might look like? Thanks
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
P Marines are a space marine army, so I doubt they'll have a SC box
Uh.. yeah.. well, there's Start Collecting Space Marines, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves.. but I totally see your point
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
Yeah.. I'm in that large group that stopped playing 40k because of bad business decisions from GW and them treating customers like an ATM so I didn't know about the previous edition codex pricing.
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
keep in mind the SM codex is described as "nearly the same size as the core rule book" this means the codex is proalby gonna be 250+ pages long.
But that's a whole 'nother problem. I don't know that I really want another 40k book that big. I already have stacks of that with all the same fluff and backstory... Now, I'm buying a bigger book because.. reasons? I didn't ask for a massive codex and I really don't think I want one. I get that Space marines are gonna get the royal treatment.. but even if this was a book about my favorite army (not Space Marines) I don't think I need it to be a freakin coffee table piece. If they want to release side books like that.. hey cool.. good on them.
Hold on.. I get it and I know what reaction I'm about to get "come on man.. this is the first codex, how can you be so negative about it". Because I have seen GW do this crap before. New edition hits "boom" new space marine dex.. THEN.. a year later, they'll drop another space marine dex and it'll be just as ridiculous. Part of the reason I have steered clear is because I watched how they were following in TSRs footsteps with splat books... and we have no reason to believe they won't do that.. so them dropping physically massive and somewhat expensive books on us.. then yeah.. I'll just stay away and use the $160 worth of 8th ed stuff I got (including the indices)..
blood angels etc are their own codex so little differnt.
as for the size of the space Marine codex, it's always been kinda big, the 7th edition one was about 200 pages. another 25 pages I could totally see given that this is going to be our first real source on Primaris Marines. and if I was GW I'd be wanting to make sure THAT was done right
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Each D&D rulebook is $50 as well, so having a similar sized book cost the same is not out of line. That's just the way it is. If you want the cheaper book, buy the index and play without chapter tactics. All of the kits come with their rules now and matched play Points are available on the GW website. No one is holding a gun to your head. Vote with your wallet.
Galas wrote: Being the Space Marine codex I'm pretty sure you can waith for the softback one MLaw. I'm pretty sure the hardback is gonna be sold out in left than a month.
I didn't see mention of a softback. Do we know if it will be more concise or possibly what the pricing might look like? Thanks
There's no guarantee of it, but at least one AoS Battletome that was initially released as a $40 hardback was reprinted as a $25 softback after the first run sold out.
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2017/07/18 04:16:14
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
Can we add a thread were people can pretend to be shocked by GW prices as a pretense to telling everybody why they won't buy models and why GW is bad? That way they can go do that there.
Its getting old seeing the same faux shock at nothing new like its something note worthy.
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casvalremdeikun wrote: Each D&D rulebook is $50 as well, so having a similar sized book cost the same is not out of line. That's just the way it is. If you want the cheaper book, buy the index and play without chapter tactics. All of the kits come with their rules now and matched play Points are available on the GW website. No one is holding a gun to your head. Vote with your wallet.
All of those words were me announcing my intention to do basically that.. this being a place for discussion, where people tend to voice their opinions on a new release or rumor..
I was really excited for the perceived new direction GW was signalling.
Spoiler:
I am going to hope for that softback and I was already planning on using the index until such time. It just sucks that this is where I am personally at with the decisions that have been made with this release. I understand that the people who stuck with GW through all their BS are not going to have a problem with this and that's fine.. but I'm also allowed to not be crazy about this direction.
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BrotherGecko wrote: Can we add a thread were people can pretend to be shocked by GW prices as a pretense to telling everybody why they won't buy models and why GW is bad? That way they can go do that there.
Its getting old seeing the same faux shock at nothing new like its something note worthy.
Oh whoah.. sorry bud.. forgot to PM you my posts to get them approved before foolishly assuming it was going to be something worthy of your precious time. Forgive my insolence. Am I at least permitted to be miffed about the massive physical dimensions of the book at the very least?
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This is why I have moved to the online versions but really disappointed lately as none of the indexes have been updated...
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
2017/07/18 05:20:04
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
2017/07/18 05:30:12
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
Uriels_Flame wrote: This is why I have moved to the online versions but really disappointed lately as none of the indexes have been updated...
updated with new units as they come out? I doubt that'll happen.
Yeah, I agree. It's unrealistic to expect that unless they specifically said they'd do it prior to you purchasing it. They're not even obligated to update it for the FAQ but obviously it's a good idea to do so.
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I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
The 7th ed codex was actually $58 USD. If the codex is 250+ pages, GW upped the page count and dropped the price.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Each D&D rulebook is $50 as well, so having a similar sized book cost the same is not out of line. That's just the way it is. If you want the cheaper book, buy the index and play without chapter tactics. All of the kits come with their rules now and matched play Points are available on the GW website. No one is holding a gun to your head. Vote with your wallet.
All of those words were me announcing my intention to do basically that.. this being a place for discussion, where people tend to voice their opinions on a new release or rumor..
I was really excited for the perceived new direction GW was signalling.
Spoiler:
I am going to hope for that softback and I was already planning on using the index until such time. It just sucks that this is where I am personally at with the decisions that have been made with this release. I understand that the people who stuck with GW through all their BS are not going to have a problem with this and that's fine.. but I'm also allowed to not be crazy about this direction.
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BrotherGecko wrote: Can we add a thread were people can pretend to be shocked by GW prices as a pretense to telling everybody why they won't buy models and why GW is bad? That way they can go do that there.
Its getting old seeing the same faux shock at nothing new like its something note worthy.
Oh whoah.. sorry bud.. forgot to PM you my posts to get them approved before foolishly assuming it was going to be something worthy of your precious time. Forgive my insolence. Am I at least permitted to be miffed about the massive physical dimensions of the book at the very least?
You do you. There is the old saying, if the shoe fits....complain about it.
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
The 7th ed codex was actually $58 USD. If the codex is 250+ pages, GW upped the page count and dropped the price.
Yeah, but for those of us with 4+ armies edition changes are never fun. Darn it, I wanted a new sicaran...
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
The 7th ed codex was actually $58 USD. If the codex is 250+ pages, GW upped the page count and dropped the price.
I stand corrected. Even better. It is cheaper but also bigger. And yet still people bitch. Because of course they do.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Based on comparative prices, the Reivers are more expensive than the already super-expensive HH plastics, and the Codex is going to be another AUD$80+ hardback.
Seems GW learnt nothing...
Still looks like it'll be less than the 7th Ed Marine codex.
So... that's something at least.
Ridiculous $90+ AUD price tag on that blasted thing.
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
P Marines are a space marine army, so I doubt they'll have a SC box
Uh.. yeah.. well, there's Start Collecting Space Marines, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves.. but I totally see your point
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
Yeah.. I'm in that large group that stopped playing 40k because of bad business decisions from GW and them treating customers like an ATM so I didn't know about the previous edition codex pricing.
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
keep in mind the SM codex is described as "nearly the same size as the core rule book" this means the codex is proalby gonna be 250+ pages long.
But that's a whole 'nother problem. I don't know that I really want another 40k book that big. I already have stacks of that with all the same fluff and backstory... Now, I'm buying a bigger book because.. reasons? I didn't ask for a massive codex and I really don't think I want one. I get that Space marines are gonna get the royal treatment.. but even if this was a book about my favorite army (not Space Marines) I don't think I need it to be a freakin coffee table piece. If they want to release side books like that.. hey cool.. good on them.
Hold on.. I get it and I know what reaction I'm about to get "come on man.. this is the first codex, how can you be so negative about it". Because I have seen GW do this crap before. New edition hits "boom" new space marine dex.. THEN.. a year later, they'll drop another space marine dex and it'll be just as ridiculous. Part of the reason I have steered clear is because I watched how they were following in TSRs footsteps with splat books... and we have no reason to believe they won't do that.. so them dropping physically massive and somewhat expensive books on us.. then yeah.. I'll just stay away and use the $160 worth of 8th ed stuff I got (including the indices)..
It's somewhat inevitable. The Marine range isn't going to get any smaller, so they have to increase book size. They're going with the data sheet formatting, which takes up a lot of room. They actually have noteworthy new background for the first time in ages, which takes up space, and they obviously want "the story so far" background so that newcomers aren't thrust into the middle of the story, all of which leads to a massive book you could murder someone with.
The bigger issue is that that's all GW offers. There's no gamer's edition with just the rules. There is, it seems, not even a split like they did with campaign books so the rules and other stuff are separate and you can only bring along the rules bit.
Hardly the most customer friendly way of releasing codices, but you know, par for the course for GW.
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2017/07/18 09:24:28
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
I e-mailed GW about this last week. They said it will be updated to reflect the FAQ, but it might take a while because there are lots of changes to all the index books.
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
P Marines are a space marine army, so I doubt they'll have a SC box
Uh.. yeah.. well, there's Start Collecting Space Marines, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves.. but I totally see your point
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
Yeah.. I'm in that large group that stopped playing 40k because of bad business decisions from GW and them treating customers like an ATM so I didn't know about the previous edition codex pricing.
I really hope the SC Primaris box is a dread, reivers, and an Apoth.. because at this rate that's the only way I'll be adding anything else to my P.Marines...
The 7e codex was $50. I don't know why you would think that the price would go down in spite of them adding more stuff into it.
keep in mind the SM codex is described as "nearly the same size as the core rule book" this means the codex is proalby gonna be 250+ pages long.
But that's a whole 'nother problem. I don't know that I really want another 40k book that big. I already have stacks of that with all the same fluff and backstory... Now, I'm buying a bigger book because.. reasons? I didn't ask for a massive codex and I really don't think I want one. I get that Space marines are gonna get the royal treatment.. but even if this was a book about my favorite army (not Space Marines) I don't think I need it to be a freakin coffee table piece. If they want to release side books like that.. hey cool.. good on them.
Hold on.. I get it and I know what reaction I'm about to get "come on man.. this is the first codex, how can you be so negative about it". Because I have seen GW do this crap before. New edition hits "boom" new space marine dex.. THEN.. a year later, they'll drop another space marine dex and it'll be just as ridiculous. Part of the reason I have steered clear is because I watched how they were following in TSRs footsteps with splat books... and we have no reason to believe they won't do that.. so them dropping physically massive and somewhat expensive books on us.. then yeah.. I'll just stay away and use the $160 worth of 8th ed stuff I got (including the indices)..
It's somewhat inevitable. The Marine range isn't going to get any smaller, so they have to increase book size. They're going with the data sheet formatting, which takes up a lot of room. They actually have noteworthy new background for the first time in ages, which takes up space, and they obviously want "the story so far" background so that newcomers aren't thrust into the middle of the story, all of which leads to a massive book you could murder someone with.
The bigger issue is that that's all GW offers. There's no gamer's edition with just the rules. There is, it seems, not even a split like they did with campaign books so the rules and other stuff are separate and you can only bring along the rules bit.
Hardly the most customer friendly way of releasing codices, but you know, par for the course for GW.
They did gamers edition (rules only) for all existing codexes a couple of years ago. Obviously it wasn't very successful because they haven't done it again since.
Mymearan wrote: They did gamers edition (rules only) for all existing codexes a couple of years ago. Obviously it wasn't very successful because they haven't done it again since.
Yeah, I can't speak for the economics of it, of course, just what I as a customer would like to see.
Although I think that success or failure of gamer's editions is decided by how they are released. If GW were to release one for Marines a year or two from now, obviously there would be plenty of normal codices in circulation and there may not be much incentive to buy the same thing all over again in a handier format. If GW released different versions at the same time, a gamer's edition would stand a much bigger chance of success. But I have a feeling GW would rather not release a handier, cheaper product right beside the real thing.
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2017/07/18 09:36:16
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
The 3rd edition codexes were all about 50 pages with only a few pages of fluff if I remember correctly. I remember it not being a popular move. I was certainly happier when they went back to the longer format in 4th edition.
Mymearan wrote: They did gamers edition (rules only) for all existing codexes a couple of years ago. Obviously it wasn't very successful because they haven't done it again since.
Well, that or it cut too much into the regular codex's sales.
Mymearan wrote: They did gamers edition (rules only) for all existing codexes a couple of years ago. Obviously it wasn't very successful because they haven't done it again since.
Well, that or it cut too much into the regular codex's sales.
They were a limited edition item, so not really much of a cut.
2017/07/18 12:59:54
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
I must say that I think the pricing is off as well.
It's weird how different it is from AoS, where they have given out free pdfs of rules with every release, an app with all the stats and so on. But straight out of the gate GW charged for the indexes.
The fact is that buying all of the rules for 7th would have set you back at least £1000. That's a massive barrier to entry for the game. Compare that to AoS where all the rules you need cost maybe £50 - including the very reasonable general's handbook.
It's just clear that the strategy for 40k is to milk it for money, where with AoS they are desperate for new players.
Mostly concerned with the dice. Thousand Son dice are some of the nicest (and having symbol on 6 and skull on one was a huge improvement from previous sets)
I wonder what they'll look like. Winged skull? Space Marine dice does not sound chapter specific.
I hope GW finally switches to symbols on 6 for good, too. The only ones I did not found disappointing are the company colored Ultramarines dice. The white symbol on 1 makes sense there. Looks like it belongs.
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str00dles1 wrote: Mostly concerned with the dice. Thousand Son dice are some of the nicest (and having symbol on 6 and skull on one was a huge improvement from previous sets)
Knowing my luck, I will get these dice, then GW will release a set of official Crimson Fists dice shortly afterwards.
I just hope the codex has decent formatting and arrangement unlike the indicies. Those things are horrible. Things all over the place. Hate jumping around for everything. And I hope the Iron Hands section is bigger this time. Seems to get smaller every edition.
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2017/07/18 14:28:03
Subject: Space Marines - Upcoming Releases [News: Preorder starts 22nd of July]
$50 for the codex.. are you 
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