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Orlanth wrote:Stop right there. No more, no more!!!

I still dont like the grot, well I really like the grot, but not where he is. Other than that, perfect.


I cannot disagree more on that. Until now he just looks like a too big Nob who sold all his possesions to get a Mek to build him some fancy powerfists. There is still a lot of, what one calls, "lovely detail" missing to make a "WAAAGHBOSS!" out of this git.

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Arright, ladz. Ya sees dem gunz? Dems wot we calls "Proppa Dakka." Alot better'n dem 'oomie gunz wot yer was lookin' at.


I like this gun a LOT more, Ein... but I do have a small problem, based on your descriptions.

The location of the gun means that, when he's holding up his gauntlets as shields against incoming fire, the guns will be taking all the hits.
Now, for game-play, it won't matter a bit. Still, though, I know you build your models to fit a LOOK, not to meet game-play standards.

If you mounted the guns on the SIDES of the fists, they would make more sense (though I don't know about the appearance). The way I'm looking at it, this gun is mounted on "top." Slide it so that the gun would be on the outside of his arm if his fist was palm-down & face forward, & it would fit your back-story better.

Again, though... not sure how it would LOOK.

Just a thought.

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MagickalMemories wrote:I like this gun a LOT more, Ein... but I do have a small problem, based on your descriptions.

The location of the gun means that, when he's holding up his gauntlets as shields against incoming fire, the guns will be taking all the hits.
Now, for game-play, it won't matter a bit. Still, though, I know you build your models to fit a LOOK, not to meet game-play standards.

If you mounted the guns on the SIDES of the fists, they would make more sense (though I don't know about the appearance). The way I'm looking at it, this gun is mounted on "top." Slide it so that the gun would be on the outside of his arm if his fist was palm-down & face forward, & it would fit your back-story better.


I understand what you're suggesting. I've placed the guns where they are right now because I didn't see a way of sliding it around to the outside on the red fist: the leg is in the way. The black arm is a bit more forgiving, but... well, I honestly don't know if he'd be using them as shields now, you're right. The arm-shields concept was a thought I had based on the way the model looked in the course of the build, as a way to fill in the otherwise bare spots on the outside of the arm. Since I'm substituting guns in that location, I suppose he's just tough enough to weather all enemy fire. Or he regenerates very quickly. >_>

I don't know. I get what you're saying, but I'd rather have the guns in an aesthetically suitable spot, and I don't think I could fit them further down on the arm that well. Think of it as a giant orky grey knight stormbolter for now.

My biggest problem is deciding between a matching dakkagun or a flamer on the other arm.

 
   
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put armour plating over the guns

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I'd go for the dakkagun, personally.

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Really just a small amount of shielding over the guns would do. Something orky, but nothing too ostentatious. Ein you seem to like using looted tau parts so maybe something along those lines?
   
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jamsessionein wrote:
Orlanth wrote:Stop right there. No more, no more!!!

I still dont like the grot, well I really like the grot, but not where he is. Other than that, perfect.


But I need to put guns on the other side!


why not leave the double barreled dakka on the existing arm and just to ports and exhausts on the other side? it still has the marnaeus clagar feel but not so identical to his powerfists.

put the flamer as a combi portion on the dakkagun..

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now dats proppa dakka!
still think he needs a bigger base though
can allways use him as a deff dread aswell

im now getting ideas of making large cybernetic orks for killa kanz, and massive ones for deff dreadz.

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I see your dilema. I'm sure a flamethrower would look great on that other fist, but I couldn't resist the idea of an orkish Calgar either if I were in your position.

...*thinking*...

I guess it depends on what you plan to do with the rest of the model: Either make him look even more like Calgar, by giving him a bionic eye, a cape and so on. Or give him a flamer and just go nuts' with the rest of his equipment. I think some sort of officer/comissar hat would look great on him.

IMO you should take down the grot. He looks great, but he looks wrong where he sits.

Any ideas yet what you will do with his back? It looks a bit boring at this point.

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I like the skorcha idea myself. You'll still have a Calgar idea because he has 2 guns on 2 powerfist like weapons. Also, you can always add extra details to him that are Calgar inspired, because to be honest I didn't even think of Calgar when I first saw this boss. If you want that Calgar feel he'll need some more additions.

I think he is looking awesome so far though, really impressive work. Great job.

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I was thinking it might be funny to stick the Boss's bosspole onto Urk, but I hit upon a problem: the brim of his hat in the back sticks out a bit too far. To compensate for that, I attached it at an angle, and had to put a styrene spacer between the rod and his back. I don't know if I like it or not, though the glyph seems appropriate considering the boss. Unfortunately there's no way to get the little blighter to hold the pole properly with his current pose.




 
   
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I myself like the idea or a harness/saddle built onto the boss that Urk can sit in. That way you can put the bosspole on the harness and now have to worry about Urk holding it, but he's clearly responsible for it as it's on his seat.
   
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Alright, I put a little more work in on this and I think it's getting there. There's some small detail stuff left to do, but first I'll make with the pictures.











Urk's now got a loincloth on and a 'strap' going over the back of the pole to hold it to him. The boss is rocking a matching (mostly) dakkagun on the other arm now.

For your viewing pleasure, the old marine sizeup:



And an over-the shoulder of the marine's view:



Now, like I said, there's just little stuff left. The gauntlets (particularly the white styrene band on the inside of the arm) feel a little bare, though I may just add more rivets to compensate. Urk's hat needs a skull icon or something right in the middle of the front to make it look a bit more like a proper Commissar hat. Both gun assemblies come off right now, so I need to permanently attach them and get the belts of ammunition sitting right in their respective holes. I need to work a little bit more on the banner, particularly the spiked knuckle things on the back, to try and make them look a little more fitting.

Then there's also the matter of the base. I think he'll get a 60mm so he can properly count as a Dreadnought should I choose to use him like that from time to time.

Anyway, getting there. I wouldn't mind input on the littler details, though this is where my 'Marneus Calgar' comparison ends. He's not getting a cape or bionic eye or anything to try and match Calgar, cause that's not the point of him.

 
   
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Your work is truly incredible Ein, however I would say go easy from here on out the model is starting to look cluttered.

I second the armored shoulders but other then that and some basing I would say leave it be, it looks just stunning and from a Marine POV down right terrifying.

Keep up the great work.

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No disrespect zhet, but I'd say the opposite. A standard ork warboss looks more than a little cluttered. In fact, it looks like someone just started riveting junked cars to him until there were no more square inches of skin without rivets. Now, I've never been a fan of that look my self, however I think that between the current state and, say, the model of Ghazkhull Thraka, there is a lot of room left to work with. I think that he could go with several more bitz and bobs placed on the model.
   
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I don't know. I get what you're saying, but I'd rather have the guns in an aesthetically suitable spot, and I don't think I could fit them further down on the arm that well. Think of it as a giant orky grey knight stormbolter for now.


Aesthetics are the most important thing in this model. I agree.
I like what you did with the second Dakkagun. Definitely better than a flamer.

Also... I like YOUR idea of Urk better than the idea of saddling him on. The thought of him falling off is hilarious to me.

Oh... and I like the bosspole.

Eric

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grizgrin wrote:No disrespect zhet, but I'd say the opposite. A standard ork warboss looks more than a little cluttered. In fact, it looks like someone just started riveting junked cars to him until there were no more square inches of skin without rivets. Now, I've never been a fan of that look my self, however I think that between the current state and, say, the model of Ghazkhull Thraka, there is a lot of room left to work with. I think that he could go with several more bitz and bobs placed on the model.


On normal Orks I agree with you, but I think we can both agree what Ein has built here is anything but ordinary. Some thing of this scale and spectacle looks better when you are able to appreciate the massive amount of scultping and converting work that went into it instead of being constantly distracked by random bits(OOOOoooooooo SHIINY!).

The model is without a doubt Ork-Hulk (Hork?? I don't know why but when I think of an Ork named Hork I just start laughing). I wasn't saying not to add more either I was just saying becareful not to over do it and yes you can acually over do it with Orks, it is very hard but it can be done. He has still done just a bang up job though.

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i think he should ATLEAST have shoulder plates and also i do like Urk just sitting there

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I've been a long time lurker on this thread, but whenever I look at it I have a heart attack and die, which means that I haven't been able to comment yet.

First of all, it is absolutely, Mind-Bogglingly, AMAZING! Everything about it is amazing. The fists, the sculpting, the guns. Everything. You could paint it now, and it would look great. I really advise that you keep it pretty simple, don't add armor (except for maybe a plate welded over the guns to act as the shielding in your fluff, but it still looks great as it is) The fists don't look like they need much more detail. They even have the right amount of rivets. As Zhetsuken said, don't add lots of shiny bits as it will detract from the model.

The only thing that is not quite as amazing is the grot. While the idea of him riding on the shoulder of the warboss is great (and then falling off and running off and hiding), the only problem is his position. There isn't really any need for a harness, just a slight position change so he looks like he comfortable sits on the ork's shoulders. He looks like he's going to fall off as the warboss is walking, never mind getting into combat. Although I have to say that I can't think of a better place.

But anyway, great job. And great job with all your other stuff too.
   
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For what it's worth, I also think a "bolt on" should armor bit might look nice. It could even have a little handle for the grot to hold onto or something.

Seriously though, amazing model. Should be fun for both you and your opponents to have something like this on the table.



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I would agree some shoulder pads, maybe the pads from a space marine dread would look good with some sort of harness, handle or chair for the grot so he doesnt fall off

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were did you get the plastic you made the gauntlets/fingers from?

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This guy is begging for a full back tattoo. Maybe a bull's head, or just 'SMASH" written in Orky letters down his spine.

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First time I've ever seen this. It's pretty badass. I agree with dogma, some tattooing would kick ass.

Though, the more I look at him, the one thing that sticks out to me is that he is just too clean. An ork of this size would have been in hundreds, if not thousands of scraps and fights. He needs the scars to show it. Seriously, bullet wounds, knife gouges, piercings, patches,etc.

Otherwise, he looks like a brand new baby ork with oven mitts on. A damn big badass baby ork, but a baby ork none-the-less.

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This is hilariously awesome.
Specially the one with good ol“ Marneus.

I love your work. Truly fantastic.
   
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how thick is that plasticard?


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Okay, first, and to respond in no particular order:

Scarecrow: I was going to initially type out that you'd have to be more specific as to the particular plasticard on the guy you're referring to, but it's occurred to me that even if you were more specific, I wouldn't be able to give you an answer. I tossed the packaging for all my styrene aaaaages ago, and usually when I need some of the stuff I just open my hobby drawer and go digging till I find something I think will work.

Deadite: I've considered scars, and actually attempted them a time or two, but I can't get them to come out looking right, and I'd rather have the boss look cleaner than all sorts of mutated. We'll see.

Dogma: I was thinking some tattoos would certainly be appropriate, though I've never done that sort of freehand on a model before. I think I'm going to have to on this guy, though, cause I want to scrawl 'GORK' on one fist and 'MORK' on the other.

Misterheavy, lala, and the rest commenting on the grot: No shoulder armor. I'm not covering up all the hard work that went into this guy's muscles. I am perfectly happy with the grot where and how he is. He may look 'stuck on', but I don't honestly think he's that bad where he is, and like I said, he falls off constantly. If it helps, just think of him grabbing onto the boss's ear when he's about to lose balance.

Anyway, I intended on priming my big boss this morning, but my white primer's completely out. Instead, I entertained myself by working on the boss's base. I couldn't make up my mind between a 40mm and 60mm base, so I went ahead and made... both.







The 40mm has a magnet on the underneath, and fits perfectly into the 'rim' that can be added to make the base 60m. They just snap together nice and easy, and I can use the larger base when I play him as a dreadnought or what have you.

I added some spent ammunition piles beneath where the fists would spit the shells, and some other random details around the base itself. I think the model's ready for paint, once I can get more primer.

 
   
 
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