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**Anglacon**

I have to say that I am a bit stunned by what is transpiring here.
First and Foremost, you cannot hold an entire board responsible for the actions of one of its advitisers. That would be like holding NBC responsible for a faulty Ford truck you bought because they ran Ford commercials!
Reading both boards, i have seen no outright favoritism by either board one way or another, and to accuse either board of such is just plain stupid.
NEVER forget that in all cases like this, it is not anyones fault except the person or people who fail to live up to their obligations. Holding others liable for their actions seems more like lashing out angrily at anyone associated with the guilty party to try to get some sort of satisfaction. It accomplishes nothing but does cause 15 page threads where people get pissed at each other!
And to those who have no stake in this, as in they are not having a dispute with TDZ, yet they continue to stir up trouble... you guys are the main problem here, and you know who you are.

**chuckyhol**

Why is it always people with low post counts that try to tell us we're all stupid?

Chuck

**Delephont**

Well, I guess we did shop with TDZ....so technically, yeah...he's right, we are in fact stupid!

**STARSLAYER**

Posted By Anglacon on 03/21/2007 6:26 AM
I have to say that I am a bit stunned by what is transpiring here.
First and Foremost, you cannot hold an entire board responsible for the actions of one of its advitisers. That would be like holding NBC responsible for a faulty Ford truck you bought because they ran Ford commercials!
Reading both boards, i have seen no outright favoritism by either board one way or another, and to accuse either board of such is just plain stupid.
NEVER forget that in all cases like this, it is not anyones fault except the person or people who fail to live up to their obligations. Holding others liable for their actions seems more like lashing out angrily at anyone associated with the guilty party to try to get some sort of satisfaction. It accomplishes nothing but does cause 15 page threads where people get pissed at each other!
And to those who have no stake in this, as in they are not having a dispute with TDZ, yet they continue to stir up trouble... you guys are the main problem here, and you know who you are.

Awesome logic there.....

So if you know someone is ripping people off,you should turn a blind eye? Great.......

Well, lets email Ticknor and tell him its OK to reopen his Btown account then. Hey,we know he ripped people off,but according to you,its not our problem......

Your example makes no sense. If NBC ran commercial for someone selling a product that they did not deliver,I doubt they would keep running his commercials.

So to go with your slowed example....if you were renting an apartment to someone who was selling crack to kids,you would be OK with that? Hey,he pays his rent,so what do you care?

Isnt looking out a little for your fellow gamer what these "trading websites" are all about??

People are pissed off because they didn't get their money/items. Gee,big surprise. Well lets all just keep quiet about it. That will really get something done.....

**Delephont**

I must say, I'm confused by certain people asking for the thread to be locked. Why? if you have no interest in the thread or it offends you, simply don't take part in it! Why are you trying to be mini MODS?

If the moderators here have seen fit to allow this thread to continue, then who are you to question their judgement. In a similar vain, if you have not dealt with TDZ or have axe to grind why are you taking part in the first place.

Can I suggest that all those who are "demanding" for this thread to close....MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS please keep your long pointy nose out of things that don't concern you! You're not helping this, ongoing, situation with your puritanical pleas, and you are the ones helping this thread reach cult status.

**Lorek**

Good gravy, I hope not.

In before lock!

**Anglacon**

Posted By STARSLAYER on 03/21/2007 11:19 AM

So to go with your slowed example....if you were renting an apartment to someone who was selling crack to kids,you would be OK with that? Hey,he pays his rent,so what do you care?

Isnt looking out a little for your fellow gamer what these "trading websites" are all about??

People are pissed off because they didn't get their money/items. Gee,big surprise. Well lets all just keep quiet about it. That will really get something done.....

Do you even bother reading what was written? I said the only person responsible is the one who failed to live up to his obligations! That would be TDZ.
If BT got paid by TDZ BEFORE this all happened, you can't get mad at them for running his ad. If they took money for his ad NOW, I would say, ok... that was not in the best interest of the gaming community.

But to blame them for "supporting" someone they obviously are not, well that seems rather vindictive. (Right chuckyhol?)

-Anglacon

**STARSLAYER**

Angalacon- Bartertown is STILL running Drop Zone ads after all this. I'm not saying they are responsible for what he does,but to me,it is WRONG that he is still a Bartertown sponsor.

Hey lets run ads for businesses that screw our members!

When they do screw you over,lets keep running the ad!

To me that is plain WRONG.

Its like standing by a road where the bridge is out, and directing traffic to go that way.

**whitedragon**

There is no reason to lock this thread.

If it was going to be locked, it would have been locked ages ago.

**Lorek**

But I'm done with it now!

**Flagg07**

But I'm done with it now!

?

You get your product or a refund?

**Dice Monkey**

Posted By beowulfthehunter on 03/21/2007 2:10 PM
I had a few personal attacks to make, but shooting ducks in a barrel is wrong, but oh so fun.

As to the people complaining about TDZ still advertising on BT. TDZ PAID to run those adds. If BT was to pull those adds they would be under breach of contract. Unless TDZ signed a contract satating that if there where poor practices his adds could be pulled BT has their hands tied.
Consider this situation, my Cousin was killed by a drunk driver. You do not see my family complaining to NBC to pull Beer adds because she was killed. Same situation here.

Now should the lenght of TDZs advertising come up for renewal BT would be smart if they said no, but that is not for us to say.

My testes receded because of the stupidity of your post, expect a class action lawsuit!

**chuckyhol**

It isn't dakkas fault, or B-towns fault that I got ripped off (i'm only received about 50% of my stuff).

I'm not blaming any website or any person, because I chose to buy the stuff - no one forced me to. That said, i think people and websites should seriously think about allowing Robert to get deal from their site or advertise on there, because basically, he's ripping a lot of people off.

Our annoyance (or at least mine) is with Robert - no one, or nothing else. Linrandir is doing his job as usual, heaping blame onto him will do and achieve nothing.

As to my retorts with beowulfthehunter, it's because he's an idiot, not because I blame him.

Chuck

**STARSLAYER**

Posted By beowulfthehunter on 03/21/2007 2:10 PM
I had a few personal attacks to make, but shooting ducks in a barrel is wrong, but oh so fun.

As to the people complaining about TDZ still advertising on BT. TDZ PAID to run those adds. If BT was to pull those adds they would be under breach of contract. Unless TDZ signed a contract satating that if there where poor practices his adds could be pulled BT has their hands tied.
Consider this situation, my Cousin was killed by a drunk driver. You do not see my family complaining to NBC to pull Beer adds because she was killed. Same situation here.

Now should the lenght of TDZs advertising come up for renewal BT would be smart if they said no, but that is not for us to say.

LMAO!!

Yeah,I can just see it now." TDZ-"Your honor, Bartertown pulled my ad, I can't keep ripping off their members!! I want to sue!!!" What if Btown just puts a link with all the Bad trader threads/reports along with the TDZ ad? If Btown doesn't have a clause for their sponsors,they should add one.

Beowulfthehunter-my condolences for the loss of your grandmother.

TDZ PAIDfor those ads? Just like TDZ's customers paid for their products..... Everyone who hasnt gotten all their items/refund should contact TDZ local Police Department and the Better Business Bureau,along with Paypal or the credit card co. you used to pay TDZ.

Has ANYONE AT ALL gotten ALL their items/refund from TDZ???

**Nuwisha**

I think he was saying it wasn't serving any real purpose for his problem anymore. Hopefully paypal can help him out, or failing that, his credit card company (if he used one with paypal) can get his money back.

**Lorek**

Exactly what Nuwisha said.

Are you going to mock me too, beowulfthehunter? Ya forgot Chaos Warhounds.

**Hellfury**

Posted By beowulfthehunter on 03/21/2007 4:42 PM
Hey chuck, want to play a game of 40k my Space marines vs. your Necrons...oh wait you can't. Del how bout against your Dark Angels....oh yeah not you eather, sucks to be you guys...lol

Harsh.

You sir get the troll of the year-so-far award.

For that I wish doom upon you!

<------- Stamp of Doom

**syr8766**

Yisgadal v'yis'kadash shemei rabboh...

**Delephont**

Posted By beowulfthehunter on 03/21/2007 4:42 PM
Hey chuck, want to play a game of 40k my Space marines vs. your Necrons...oh wait you can't. Del how bout against your Dark Angels....oh yeah not you eather, sucks to be you guys...lol

Yeah, you're absolutely right! It does suck to be in my position right now, and hence this thread. Hopefully no one else will get into this state with TDZ, and if possible a lesson can be learn't by all parties, traders and buyers alike!

I hope you don't find yourself in a similar situation. As for your challenge, I have a healthy army of Dark Angels I could use, the box set from TDZ was to supplement my exsiting force......still, you win some you lose some.

**Grendel's Mother**

Im not Robert, but I bet none of y'all are gettin your money or goods back!

**Mannahnin**

The thread stays for now. Personally, I'd like to see the thread at the top of the page until everyone with outstanding orders with Robert either gets their products or their refunds. Until then the thread should keep going as a public warning and as a spur to TDZ.

Quit the flames and spam though. Seriously. I'm deleting a pile of them now. This thread should just be civil discussion of the complaints and issues.

**Delephont**

New Information!

I just recieved an email from Paypal, asking whether things were now sorted between me and Robert. I explained that even though he put a "delivery number" in an email to Paypal, I still haven't recieved anything yet......of this I'm not surprised, he probably sent a matchbox overseas and gave them that shipping number....probably to buy himself some time!

Anyway, I've also included this thread in my response, so that paypal can see the extent of Roberts bad dealings.

Fingers crossed I see refund.

**beowulfthehunter**

Oh yeah, post a thread from a message board, that is sure going to get your stuff back...you can fight this all you want, you will probalby not be getting your minis. PP is not in this to protect you and even if they do, you will only get back what is in his PP fund and if he is a smart amn he will have bled that account dry.

**Delephont**

Yes, Robert...erm, sorry, Beowulfthehunter, you've probably emptied your account already! However, you are obviously not aware of the fact that Paypal can reach into the bank account that is registered with the Paypal account.

But even if you have been smart, which I doubt....how many new sales have you had since this has been going on. That death in your family must have hit you more than anyone else, as its cost you your business....

**Flagg07**

I think it's safe to say that Beowulf isn't Robert. They've got very different locations on B-town. Ironicly, Beowulf posted a Bad Trader Report (9th one from the stickies) a month ago because it took too long for a trade to get to him. Ironic x2, the person he BTR'd had been away for the weekend and wasn't able to answer the PMs right away. Funny how He posts BTRs over nothing yet thinks you guys who have been robbed should suck it up.

**Delephont**

Well, whoever he is, it looks like my stuff has turned up! I have a massive customs charge to pay, which means I would have been better off buying from GW, but considering the crap that I've had to go through I might just swallow the charge and be doen with the whole thing.

I'll find out tomorrow if it is my item, and not just a brick! I'll post the results then!

Regards
Delephont

**Delephont**

I have finally recieved my stuff, complete and in good condition. No doubt the pressure applied did the job.

Good luck to those still waiting, you have my continued support.

Regards
Delephont

**Lorek**

I'm glad you got your stuff, Delephont. I still haven't heard a single thing from Robert, but did notice that he was posting on Bartertown this morning.

**DoomedFuture**

I still haven't got my stuff, nor heard from Robert. Of course, my order was made late February, so I can understand waiting longer than the rest.

**Flagg07**

Waiting longer than a few weeks is unacceptable. My sympathies to those who have already purchased from this guy. Anyone buying/ trading with him from now on is looking to get ripped off.