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A ELDAR REVENANT TITAN WITH SONIC LANCES could.. or maybe A ELDAR AVATAR?http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_ELDAR_22.html

The story i was talking about was the damos incident (i believe this was its name).

the 7 chapters i speak about are permenantly stationed on terra to guard the palace.

Voronesh wrote:
Where do you have that information from, about how the Nightbringer eats a sun? Plus its physically impossible to make something reach 0 Kelvin.

Simple my friend
the nightbringer feeds by absorbing the "life energy" or kinetic energy of an object or creature.
Zero kelvin isnt impossible, it is unobserved as of yet.


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superprism2 wrote: A ELDAR REVENANT TITAN WITH SONIC LANCES could.. or maybe A ELDAR AVATAR?http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_ELDAR_22.html

The eldar avatar was defeated by the chaptermaster of the ultramarines, the emperor would slaughter one

If this is about the CURRENT timeline, then in all honesty, the nightbringer is at the moment a panzy, and a badly tempered Chapter Master could take him on.

Haven't heard of any suns going missing in the present 40k universe.

If the Nightbringer is at the height of his power (which he isn't, or he is and that's really pathetic) then the Emprah must be at the height of his power. (which he currently isn't)

But Life energy does not equal kinetic energy.

Life energy would normally be correlated to the soul or its empyrean energy.

Zero Kelvin means that no movement is possible, and since to reach 0 Kelvin, you need to remove energy, it kills itself, comparable to how one cannot achieve c as speed.

Unless physics has thrown around some new model, in which it works. But then i dont study physics, im just looking on.

Saying something is not impossible just unobserved can be applied to anything. Even the Emperor being killed. That would be able to be applied to the Titanic. (That time being proven to be correct)


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@ Emperors Faithful
Uhh well the Nightbringer was never described as staying at its weak level of power. He was actually said to be back with a vengeance in the Nec Codex. Rules do not Equal Fluff. Not my fault, or relevant to the discussion, that his rules do not seem good enough.

Otherwise the Seer Council could kill the emperor from 36" away. Eldrad plus 5 Farseers, plus Mental Duel. BOOM. the Dice gods say the Emperor looses 35 wounds. Since one stat can only be a maximum of 10........

Voronesh wrote:But Life energy does not equal kinetic energy.

Life energy would normally be correlated to the soul or its empyrean energy.

Zero Kelvin means that no movement is possible, and since to reach 0 Kelvin, you need to remove energy, it kills itself, comparable to how one cannot achieve c as speed.

Unless physics has thrown around some new model, in which it works. But then i dont study physics, im just looking on.

Saying something is not impossible just unobserved can be applied to anything. Even the Emperor being killed. That would be able to be applied to the Titanic. (That time being proven to be correct)

The c'tan feed on physical enegry rather than soul energy, we know this for sure as the c'tan are the antithesis of the warp.
Zero kelvin is acheivable, as is C.

Well saying it is achievable is one thing, proving is another....

Physical energy is not kinetic......

Thats like saying vertebrae are all humans......

So id ask you to please back it up, as my current state of knowledge does not support c being achievable.

What with Mass becoming colser to infinite the closer to c you get, and thus being not achievable is infinite energy to accelerate infinite mass is not available.

Voronesh wrote:Well saying it is achievable is one thing, proving is another....

Physical energy is not kinetic......

Thats like saying vertebrae are all humans......

so what do you suggest physical life energy is then if it isnt kinetic energy (the movement that causes all reactions and powers existance).

Voronesh wrote:
So id ask you to please back it up, as my current state of knowledge does not support c being achievable.

What with Mass becoming colser to infinite the closer to c you get, and thus being not achievable is infinite energy to accelerate infinite mass is not available.

Simple solution, have your powersource on board
the mass of the object increases towards infinite as does the mass of your fuel thus the power you get out of it also inceases.

Ugh, mass of carbon doesn not make it a better power source. You should still only get the same energy per atom of carbon rregardless how heavy it is.

Physical energy could be alot. Gravity or Magnetics, not too likely but with funny effects.

Or Heat.

Depending on the type of force devoured by the Nightbringer it does have funny effects.


Since if the Nightbringer would devour kinetic energy, he would be invincible. Devour the kinetic energy of the bolter round lascannon shot whatever flung at you ^^.

@Voronesh: Back with a vengence, does not necessarily mean "at the height of your power", it simply means you're on a mission now. Moreso than before.

Also, there could easily be a sort of psycic ward for the Emprah, in fact, he would likely have many similar tech as farseer (spiritstones etc), just more killy.

Who can take on the Emperor?

ME!
...... because i'll never lose against him!

!!!HERESY!!!


FOR THE EMPRAH!!!

pro emporer pro sit nostrum saviour nos vadum servo him ut is servo nos

Hey! You changed your avatar!
It kind of siuits your sig though, lol.
Also, I have a idea, but still wondereing WTF you're saying, you crazy kiwi!

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Voronesh: Back with a vengence, does not necessarily mean "at the height of your power", it simply means you're on a mission now. Moreso than before.

Also, there could easily be a sort of psycic ward for the Emprah, in fact, he would likely have many similar tech as farseer (spiritstones etc), just more killy.

Back with a vengeance does not literally mean back at full power. No that is true, but you guessed correctly what i meant. And even if he is not at his full power, Neither is the Emperor and even the Custodes are just that, super humans and no emperor.


Psychic wards? Funny Spirit stones are also useless against a being that does not care for the warp. It does not attack via the warp, so any spirit ward is wasted energy.

Oh and i do not want to fight over the emperor being killed by the Nightringer, but rather that it could be achieved at all.

It does not happen for various reasons.

Eldar need the Imperium, or other stuff would totally annihilate them (eg orks or nids)

DE do not care for the Imperium, but use it as raid targets.

necs do not care for the Emperor, as theyre gonna kill anything anyway. Old ones were already defeated by them, so what is a single being to them?

Orks are Orks and simply too stupid to grasp the fact that massed armies are better than scattered infightings, but also they do not care whom they fight.

Nids, are also trying to eat everything, and it is not fully proven what they actually are, and how many of them arrived in this galaxy?

CSM? are probably the only force that want to crush the emperor for real, but are rather weak to try for a direct attack against Terra for now.



GW has managed to create a universe so splintered that no actual unified front exists.

And that is something nice. You can call Exterminatus on a dozen planets and let another 20 be ravaged by your interstellar supercampaign. And it would have no effect on overall storyline. Unless that were all Tau worlds ^^. Gratz to the Tau for being the smallest power of the Universe.

Oh, I was talking about how the Emprah would compare to a seer council, not the Nightbringer.

Anyway, I simply think that the Nightbringer works like the Avatar. They are both weakened, and merely manifestations of what COULD be an awesome power.

Well the Seer council was only a representation of rules do not equal fluff. His Spirit stones would still fail on rolls of one. So since this is a fluff topic lets get back to that.

AFAIK the Nightbringer is quickly gaining his power back, whereas the Eldar Avatar is on a downward spiral. Avatar is a splinter of Khaine, so basically it has to be weak. Nightbringer is a weakened state of a god. Gaining in power.


Another way to kill the Emperor for the Necs: Finish their huge project of shuttingof the Empyrean from the physical realm altogether. Any race using the Warp for STL travel is suddenly stuck on a million planets that need to fend for themselves.

How the Chaos Gods kill the Emperor (cant do it though), create a Warpstorm around Terra no more souls for him to eat. and he turns to dust.

Sure Terra has some method of calming the warp around it, btu the Chaos gods only need to erect the Storm just outside that barrier. And bring in all the CSM legions with Titans and whatnot right before the storm goes up.

Planet Killer around Terra.......7 Chapters of Space Marines cant do crap.

Problem with that plan? No Warp storm generator for free.

^^

yeah but your forgeting alot of things your talking about killing the emperor. He is returning you know that right? if you kill him he will be reborn right then and there. So even if the necorns get there they would be owned by the 30,000 SHIPS SURRONDING TERRA! read the horus hersey books. Luna has the most powerful anti-ship weaponry in the gaxaly! AND A BLACK STONE FORTRESS!

Also, you're forgetting that Terra alone AS A PLANET has a whole SECTOR fleet dedicated to it's defense. More than enough to hold out until reinforcements arrive.

And don't forgett that the Chaos gods are battling the Emprah in the Empryean or whatever (supposedly) . So the Emprah is currently STOPPING that warp storm stuff from happening.

The emperor's tough and all but there's NO WAY he could beat the chaos gods. Hell, hes probly half the reason theyre so strong.

...he did. They poured their strongest manifestation into horus and LOST.

Darth Vader

no...
Darth Vader would get BALL-FORCE-CHOKED by the Emprah!

Emperors Faithful wrote:...he did. They poured their strongest manifestation into horus and LOST.

Yeah well, lets see the Emperor go into the warp, fight Khorne (and his mountain of skulls) or Tzeentch (Father of magic/psykers) and come off on top. Not likely imho.

If fluff speaks true that's exactly what he's doing at the mo in his subconcious state. Plugging the hole between Reality and Chaos. So that only the minor incursions get in. That's not to say he's come out on top...yet, but he still fighting strong.