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I was wondering can anyone whos alive right know(in the 41st mil that is) take on the emporer and win?
We already know chuck norris and sly marbo can but who else?

at this point in time anyone, just pull him of life support.

ME =p

One of the C'tan would probably tear him a new one

A titan perhaps? No matter what a guardsmen with a pair of wire snips that goes to town on the throne won't make the emperor happy.

combo wrote:at this point in time anyone, just pull him of life support.

FTW! The end! Case closed!

Anyway this thread is Heresy! REPENT! REPENT!

Chuck Norris.

I'm sorry, I just had to.

don't judge me.

The real question remains to be asked.

Who is this 'emporer' person anyway?

Uh Horus, in fact he had almost won...

Only because the Emeperor didn't want to vaporize his favoured son. Remember, when he decided Horus needed spanking he gathered so much mental firepower the Chaos Gods themselves screamed like sissy girls and ran the hell away, then proceded to vaporize Horus' very soul.

Honestly, even currently, he's still likely got enough juice to kill anything that could manage to get near him. We already have a good idea that he can beat up C'tan and could take on and take out any of the Chaos Gods. The question is more would he be paying enough attention to his body to kill whatever came near him. If he isn't then a toddle with scissors could take him out. If he is then he could snap an Imperitor over one mental knee.

lol, toddler with scissors dooms the imperium to darkness.

Jon Garrett wrote:Only because the Emeperor didn't want to vaporize his favoured son. Remember, when he decided Horus needed spanking he gathered so much mental firepower the Chaos Gods themselves screamed like sissy girls and ran the hell away, then proceded to vaporize Horus' very soul.

Honestly, even currently, he's still likely got enough juice to kill anything that could manage to get near him. We already have a good idea that he can beat up C'tan and could take on and take out any of the Chaos Gods. The question is more would he be paying enough attention to his body to kill whatever came near him. If he isn't then a toddle with scissors could take him out. If he is then he could snap an Imperitor over one mental knee.

If i remember correctly the reason Horus was killed is because rather than killing his father he decided to brutally murder the Guardsmen/Space Marine who found the Emperor laying there broken, so if he would have just killed the Emperor first things would be different.

? Let me guess the Horus Heresy models?

From what I've heard, Emperor DID kind of pwn Horus. Who WAS backed by the chaos gods. Who DID lose...BADLY.

BrotherStynier wrote:

If i remember correctly the reason Horus was killed is because rather than killing his father he decided to brutally murder the Guardsmen/Space Marine who found the Emperor laying there broken, so if he would have just killed the Emperor first things would be different.

Yes, but that was because it made the Emeperor decide there was no hope for Horus. Then he attacked with all his power. In terms of raw power the Emperor could have destroyed Horus the moment he saw him and Horus could have done nothing to stop it, in the same he couldn't stop it when the Emperor did decide to kill him.

Jon Garrett wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

If i remember correctly the reason Horus was killed is because rather than killing his father he decided to brutally murder the Guardsmen/Space Marine who found the Emperor laying there broken, so if he would have just killed the Emperor first things would be different.

Yes, but that was because it made the Emeperor decide there was no hope for Horus. Then he attacked with all his power. In terms of raw power the Emperor could have destroyed Horus the moment he saw him and Horus could have done nothing to stop it, in the same he couldn't stop it when the Emperor did decide to kill him.

I won't try to argue against the Emperor being able to kill him out right, only that if anyone could have killed him it would have been Horus had he of pressed his advantage, and used the Emperor's love for him against him.

Jon Garrett wrote:Only because the Emeperor didn't want to vaporize his favoured son. Remember, when he decided Horus needed spanking he gathered so much mental firepower the Chaos Gods themselves screamed like sissy girls and ran the hell away, then proceded to vaporize Horus' very soul.

Honestly, even currently, he's still likely got enough juice to kill anything that could manage to get near him. We already have a good idea that he can beat up C'tan and could take on and take out any of the Chaos Gods. The question is more would he be paying enough attention to his body to kill whatever came near him. If he isn't then a toddle with scissors could take him out. If he is then he could snap an Imperitor over one mental knee.

If the emperor could take out any of the chaos gods, then why doesn't he just go have some big psychic battle with them? One at a time? Man to man? (except in the case of Slaanesh, who's of questionable gender... he'd probably kick Slaanesh's ass, though, I'll give you that)

Jon Garrett wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

If i remember correctly the reason Horus was killed is because rather than killing his father he decided to brutally murder the Guardsmen/Space Marine who found the Emperor laying there broken, so if he would have just killed the Emperor first things would be different.

Yes, but that was because it made the Emeperor decide there was no hope for Horus. Then he attacked with all his power. In terms of raw power the Emperor could have destroyed Horus the moment he saw him and Horus could have done nothing to stop it, in the same he couldn't stop it when the Emperor did decide to kill him.

@ john: yeah but Horus is still like 25 times more badass

@Stynier (above post): Good point. People talk about the emperor's uber scary psychic powers, but his one weakness was psychological. If you want to beat someone, that's the place to shoot for. Horus should have made sure he was dead... but I suppose then 40k wouldn't be as much fun, so whatever. Hopefully as the Chaos gods grow more powerful Abaddon will get the job done. He has a cooler name anyway.

@Biffsmack: Yeah the game wouldn't be the same, it would just be like a more Grimdark Star Wars or something.

I don't know about Abaddon having the cooler name, I like Horus, it reminds me of Egypt and Iron Maiden.

BrotherStynier wrote:@Biffsmack: Yeah the game wouldn't be the same, it would just be like a more Grimdark Star Wars or something.

I don't know about Abaddon having the cooler name, I like Horus, it reminds me of Egypt and Iron Maiden.

Whoa, you just made me realize how much rebel Soldiers and a Cadians look alike.... weird....

Yeah Horus is an uberawesome name (\m/ Iron Maiden! \m/) but Abaddon means like 'Place of Destruction' or 'The Destroyer' or 'Realm of the Dead', or 'The Depths of Hell' which does it for me, I suppose because I tend to like that stuff alot ...

You also realized that you want an Imp Guard army painted up as Rebel Troopers, with Pilots and vehicle crews having the Orange and White Uniforms...

Hey when it comes down to it its pretty much all about personal preference when it comes to things like that

Up the Irons!

I'm not so sure that the Emperor's benevolence is his one weakness. Why he even allowed things to unfold as they did, assuming he is/was truly as powerful as the fluff makes him out to be, is mysterious. But I think that it has something to do with his love for humanity in general and the Primarchs in particular. Most of the Primarch, IMO, are total losers because they do not share this quality with their father. I'm not just talking about the traitors here (who are without exception all total losers). Guilliman and Dorn, for all their righteousness, are just priggish stiffs. It's not clear whether they protect humanity for humanity's sake or out of (1) pride for Roboute and (2) thoughtless, Nazi-like loyalty for Rogal. No need to even talk about the likes of Lion El'Jonson (Thundercats! HO!) The Primarch that comes closest to the Emperor, if not in power or knowledge but rather in sincerity and concern for humanity, is the Wolf King. Also unlike many the others, Russ clearly never saw himself as a copy or possible stand-in/replacement for the Emperor. In sum, most of the Primarchs--including the tremendously vain Horus--lacked the Emperor's greatest strength: the real love and benevolence toward humanity that could unite trillions of people into his service even ten thousand years after his "death."

@Stynier

Cadian/Rebels... pure awesome ness. I'd like totally do that if I was donald trump or something. Wait, no way! um... Bill Gates? no.. uh... gods, uber rich people are always either lame or old. Usually both.

true dat. I like destruction and death and you like Egypt and Iron Maiden... hell they're all awesome when it comes down to it.

Up the Irons!

hell yeah!

I don't think the Eprah could be able to take on the Chaos gods. He be a tough cookie sure, but he would definitley not be able to kill them outright.

I don't whether who could but I know who would. The cleaner. Just mopping around the back of the throne and pulls the 6 watt plug out. Disaster!

The OC-D

Have you seen the picture of the golden throne? I don't think they even HAVE a cleaner.

High Commissar Biffsmack wrote: @Stynier

Cadian/Rebels... pure awesome ness. I'd like totally do that if I was donald trump or something. Wait, no way! um... Bill Gates? no.. uh... gods, uber rich people are always either lame or old. Usually both.

true dat. I like destruction and death and you like Egypt and Iron Maiden... hell they're all awesome when it comes down to it.

I might have to eventually steal my own idea. Oh and death and destruction can be cool as well I mean come on.

Up the Irons!

Biffsmack wrote:hell yeah!

Yes indeed.

Manchu wrote:I'm not so sure that the Emperor's benevolence is his one weakness. Why he even allowed things to unfold as they did, assuming he is/was truly as powerful as the fluff makes him out to be, is mysterious. But I think that it has something to do with his love for humanity in general and the Primarchs in particular. Most of the Primarch, IMO, are total losers because they do not share this quality with their father. I'm not just talking about the traitors here (who are without exception all total losers). Guilliman and Dorn, for all their righteousness, are just priggish stiffs. It's not clear whether they protect humanity for humanity's sake or out of (1) pride for Roboute and (2) thoughtless, Nazi-like loyalty for Rogal. No need to even talk about the likes of Lion El'Jonson (Thundercats! HO!) The Primarch that comes closest to the Emperor, if not in power or knowledge but rather in sincerity and concern for humanity, is the Wolf King. Also unlike many the others, Russ clearly never saw himself as a copy or possible stand-in/replacement for the Emperor. In sum, most of the Primarchs--including the tremendously vain Horus--lacked the Emperor's greatest strength: the real love and benevolence toward humanity that could unite trillions of people into his service even ten thousand years after his "death."

Actually I was more under the impression that trillions of people are in his service ten thousand years after his death because they get shot in the face if they don't... and I wouldn't exactly call him benevolent, he does sort of consume thousands of human souls every day.... and don't you think he would have gone to greater trouble to instill his Primarchs with better values if he was so caring about the human race?


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BrotherStynier wrote:

High Commissar Biffsmack wrote: @Stynier

Cadian/Rebels... pure awesome ness. I'd like totally do that if I was donald trump or something. Wait, no way! um... Bill Gates? no.. uh... gods, uber rich people are always either lame or old. Usually both.

true dat. I like destruction and death and you like Egypt and Iron Maiden... hell they're all awesome when it comes down to it.

I might have to eventually steal my own idea. Oh and death and destruction can be cool as well I mean come on.

Up the Irons!

Biffsmack wrote:hell yeah!

Yes indeed.

Steal it will you? well too bad! you'll never get your filthy hands on it you vile vondruke! it's mine! ALL MINE!!!

oh and yeah death and destruction can be very cool. For instance, in 40k. Hell, that's what it's all about!

Also I would not think Russ to be the closest similarity.
I think that Horus was always the first-born, the finest, the most loved and trusted. I would not say it was ultimately vanity that was his downfall (some obscure ritual and what's-his-face's lies).

Anyway, the Emperor (and many others) are cleary idealistic and NOT after thier own glory. It is a wish to unite humanity, and a realisation that harsh measures must be taken to prevent the human races downfall.

Only united do humans stand a chance.

And the best way to unite an empire of countless trillions is to make them unite or bombard their planet with showers of plasma globs the size of large trees!

Yes! Someone who sees the light!

ah, totalitarianism can be so much fun.