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And this is where we agree to disagree.

@ Wildstyle: that's not strictly true though. Sure, there are plenty of people that confuse "how I'd like the rules to work" with RAW, but there's become a bit of an echo chamber towards a highly literal interpretation of RAW, focusing less on meaning and context, and more on precision. The Russes in witchhunters debate was a classic example of that. There were solid arguments that RAW supported taking a russ, just not the strictest literal interpretation.

There's plenty of hostility even for people with reasonable points.

I'm kind of shocked this popularity contest has been allowed to go on this long!

Though, IIRC, LBursley's paid money out of his own pocket to fund a painting competition (or tutorial competition... whatever). That, IMO, helps improve the community and gaming experience more than WELL TECHNICALLY BY RAW I CAN DO THIS. That really gets annoying sometimes.

In any case, I'm ashamed to have taken part in this popularity contest. Please excuse me while I go eat my own face.

EDIT: And poor Lunahound... having a bunch of internet nerds drool at the thought of her having a baby with a troll

anticitizen013 wrote:I'm kind of shocked this popularity contest has been allowed to go on this long!

Blanket statement.

anticitizen013 wrote:Though, IIRC, LBursley's paid money out of his own pocket to fund a painting competition (or tutorial competition... whatever).

Those no prize here. Don't get your knickers in a knot.

anticitizen013 wrote:That, IMO, helps improve the community and gaming experience more than WELL TECHNICALLY BY RAW I CAN DO THIS. That really gets annoying sometimes.

Specific flame.

anticitizen013 wrote:In any case, I'm ashamed to have taken part in this popularity contest. Please excuse me while I go eat my own face.

General flame.

anticitizen013 wrote:EDIT: And poor Lunahound... having a bunch of internet nerds drool at the thought of her having a baby with a troll

And we'll call that last one 'flaming irony'.

So now you've posted AntiCitizen, do you actually have anything to add to the thread, as you certainly haven't managed to here. I mean, Emperor forbid we have a little fun now and then...

No, do you?

He's already contributed earlier.

Well, HBMC is funny, which goes a long way.

Polonius wrote:Well, HBMC is funny, which goes a long way.

Depends what you call 'funny'.

I just thought he was mad because I voted for someone else and stated my reasons why. Darn!

I think so many people are voting for Gwar! more becuase he is "Teh infamoos Trool" rather than his immense contribution to YMTC.

Agreed

Emperors Faithful wrote:I think so many people are voting for Gwar! more becuase he is "Teh infamoos Trool" rather than his immense contribution to YMTC.

You say immense contribution, I say ceaseless spamming of his opinion until others leave. I know of a sizeable number of respected posters who no longer use the YMTC section of this forum entirely due to Gwar and his methodology and ceaseless showboating.

The idea you would vote for someone who has crapped in the sandpit so many times that others don't want to go back there is really tragic. And any contribution made has been immediately followed up with demands for praise and attention, which is also entirely distasteful. Good people do selfless things to make the world better, not to receive an ego stroke.

I voted for "whatwhat" for that awesome article he did

I was tempted by Deff Dread Red Edition, though!

And I resisted my first inclination to vote for Legoburner, figuring everyone else would have... and I was right

@MGS: It's the same thing isn't it? lol

Seriously though, I have found Gwar!'s advice to be just as helpful as it is annoying at times. Which is a lot.

Well, that's the point isn't it, if you've done something good then the knowing of it should be enough, if you receive a compliment so much the better.

Demanding recognition for doing something (like a FAQ when you've spent a month prior decrying the FAQs as soon as one directly disagreed with you...) is puerile and needy.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:You say immense contribution, I say ceaseless spamming of his opinion until others leave. I know of a sizeable number of respected posters who no longer use the YMTC section of this forum entirely due to Gwar and his methodology and ceaseless showboating.

That says more about their character than it does of mine IMO.

Voted for Luna because of her (Luna is a "she" right?) boundless enthusiasm

Gwar! wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:You say immense contribution, I say ceaseless spamming of his opinion until others leave. I know of a sizeable number of respected posters who no longer use the YMTC section of this forum entirely due to Gwar and his methodology and ceaseless showboating.

That says more about their character than it does of mine IMO.

Gwar, your absolutely right. They have learnt the hard way that trying to enter into debate with you is pointless and that you will simply keep spamming a thread until they give up in disgust. So yes, they clearly demonstrate wisdom in their character and their wish to stop banging their heads against the brick wall. People are and have left YMDC that might otherwise be engaging in open and polite debate, leaving you to hop up and down on your rock and shout into the void of the interweb that you are correct.

Grats you!

Children, play nicely.

Emporer's Faithful should be on this list, and Dark lord Seanron for his delightful fan fiction. Oh well I guess I'll vote for Lunahound.

beef wrote:Are we actually voting for most annoying Dakkite or the one thats contributed the most in a positive way?

Is there a difference around here?

Hmmm, well I don't know what the point of this thread is really, but I think Legoburner deserves lots of praise and recognition for excellent work that has been done to the site over the past while. It just keeps getting better and better.
Kudos!

anticitizen013 wrote:
In any case, I'm ashamed to have taken part in this popularity contest. Please excuse me while I go eat my own face.

I'm impressed. It takes a lot of dedication to eat your own face. Just saying.
I vote for whoever our current overlord is at point of writing. I for one welcome him and am shocked you do not see the greatness of our new overlord (insert name here).

This thread is a good bit of fun and shows we have a real community even though it's all text and light and we're all thousands of miles away from one another. I really like it here and I like all the people. I don't always get along with HBMC or MGS or Frazzled but I appreciate seeing them day after day and always take the time to read their posts. Same goes for Polonius, whose eloquent messages are nearly always a pleasure to read (kind of a pity he wasn't on the list). Every one of us tends to annoying once in a while (or maybe even as often as we hit "submit") but we still come around. Point is, I like Gwar! and don't really see the need to constantly berate him here or anywhere else. No doubt he can be rather insistent but I hope people will keep their criticism to the friendly/humorous. If you have a serious complaint about any user's behavior, isn't the appropriate venue PMing a mod rather than grandstanding in a thread that's just for fun?

If it were just a collision of personas then I agree with you Manchu, it's best not the subject of public debate.

When, on the other hand, you have someone who has gone to great lengths to become noticed within the community, you have a cause celebre. There is a strong dividing line when it comes to Gwar, some vault him and support him, others detest him and are still boggled by just how many times you have to be suspended on this site to actually be banned.

So here's the thing, if someone seeks out 'celebrity', even in as niche a market as this is, by being controversial and continually drawing attention, they will become the subject of public debate. There is a sizable number of dakka users who have issue with him, why should this not be subjected to discussion?

Polonius wrote:There's plenty of hostility even for people with reasonable points.

The same could be said for the OT forum. Personally, I find YMDC to be a pleasant walk in the park on a sunny day compared to the constant "Bitter/EgoFest" that clouds the OT. So how about we stop throwing rocks, heh?

What amuses me is that given that very few people in the Dakka community actually play games with each other, all the arguments on YMDC are largely irrelevant.

EDIT - Back on topic... Vote Luna (if you haven't yet appointed somebody to be your campaign manager Luna, I'm your guy)

MeanGreenStompa wrote:There is a sizable number of dakka users who have issue with him, why should this not be subjected to discussion?

I obviously can't stop anyone from posting whatever they want about Gwar! or any other user. No one can, save the mods, who are pretty lenient on the whole. But the discussion you're talking about--as long as it happens here in "public"--merely contributes to the very cause celebre you're decrying.

wyomingfox wrote:The same could be said for the OT forum. Personally, I find YMDC to be a pleasant walk in the park on a sunny day compared to the constant "Bitter/EgoFest" that clouds the OT.

QFT. Heaven forbid a reasonable person of faith get involved over there. But I try to stick to the news story posts and like reading/critiquing Frazzled's glosses.

I've noted that you can vote in polls without signing in. The poll recognises the computer that you voted on not your actual login.

Therefore...

If I waited until everybody in my office went home and then used their computers to register extra votes for my chosen candidate, would that be frowned upon?

Manchu wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:There is a sizable number of dakka users who have issue with him, why should this not be subjected to discussion?

I obviously can't stop anyone from posting whatever they want about Gwar! or any other user. No one can, save the mods, who are pretty lenient on the whole. But the discussion you're talking about--as long as it happens here in "public"--merely contributes to the very cause celebre your decrying.

/shrug
Not true, I simply don't buy the hype and ensure I vocalise my objection. A significant number do not and simply cross him off the Christmas card list as advised by the moderators. Which would be fine but then leaves him carte blanche to tour the site with his circus of self and newer or younger dakkites suddenly believe that this is the way they should be playing the game, spending hours pawing over the minutia to try and find exploit to a commonly held opinion or rule. To accept that you can call someone using the FAQs a 'cheater' etc.

But I'll lay off here.

@Flashman: I don't see why not. How do you think we always manage to have Leman Russ voted best primarcch--I mean, nothing, nowhere, election fraud is totally unforgivable!!! (just a joke, haters)

MeanGreenStompa wrote:But I'll lay off here.

If you insist, I didn't mean to criticize you (this time, ha). You make a strong case in a way but what about Flashman's point? Even us newer dakkaites don't come here to learn how to play. I'd say we look for clarifications at the most and take the advice as suggestions. If Gwar! rants "You can play whatever game you want while I play 40k" so what? Like Flashman pointed out, Gwar! isn't at your FLGS sitting across the table from you. Those who can't get over it and so flee YMTC seem to mostly have "personas," as you might put it, as inflated as Gwar!'s. Gwar! just has more energy to keep on and on and on. I do think it's wise of them to just ignore him if that's the best they can do but no need to do that and air the grudge elsewhere. Plus, you can humorously deflate an ego (as I think you've done mine once or twice!) and that doesn't make for a vendetta.

Manchu wrote:Like Flashman pointed out, Gwar! isn't at your FLGS sitting across the table from you.

Because I haven't found my 1 size too small speedos yet