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Fafnir wrote:Additionally, the comic wasn't just about thatcherism
No, it wasn't just about that, but it was a huge part of it. I could be wrong, I'm just going by what Alan Moore said about it, and really, what does he know about it?
It's no secret that Alan Moore wrote it in response to Thatcher's government. But the themes go a hell of a lot deeper than that. To say otherwise is to underestimate Moore's talent as a writer. It's what helps make the comic such a timeless piece.
That is a beautiful strawman you are buyilding there sir. I know that I didn't say there no other layers but Thatcherism, but you have masterfully invented that I have, and to put a cherry on top also put words in mouth as to the competency of Mr. Moore. Bravo *golf clap*
The only reason I mentioned Thatcherism was in case that is what you had meant by it not have the theme from the graphic novel. If you had, I agreed that it was absent.
Your response made it sound like you were adding extra emphasis to the critique on Thatcherism, as if you stressed it as the only important theme.
Fafnir wrote:See, here's the funny part. I saw the movie with the most open of minds, since I hadn't even read the comic at that point. After reading the comic (inspired by having just read The Killing Joke and Watchmen) and realizing what that mediocre action flick could have been... well, the rest is history.
You still aren't coming across that way. You are still basically arguing that the movie was bad becuase it was a less dense version of the comic. WELL NO gak. I had read the comic several times before the the movie was ever even announced and even read the annototed version and I still don't have a problem with the movie lacking the books layers and nuance. It's ok to not like it, it isn't that great a movie, but I find your reasoning to cast dispersions on it dubious at best. Still, to each his own.
Because everyone and their dog seems to be praising it as one of the greatest films ever made. Maybe it's because I'm a university student, and thus live in a rotting sea of Che Guevera posters owned by dumbass rebels who don't even know who Che Guevera was.
That, and as I said previously, the fact that it wastes so much of the source material's potential.
Fafnir wrote:Because everyone and their dog seems to be praising it as one of the greatest films ever made. Maybe it's because I'm a university student, and thus live in a rotting sea of Che Guevera posters owned by dumbass rebels who don't even know who Che Guevera was.
I empathize on this point.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I want to praise Last Action Hero. It got panned, but it's reflection on what makes a movie a movie and knowingly acknowledging the tropes it used were fething brilliant.
chaplaingrabthar wrote:I want to praise Last Action Hero. It got panned, but it's reflection on what makes a movie a movie and knowingly acknowledging the tropes it used were fething brilliant.
I honestly thought Pathfinder was gak. I struggled to stop myself dropping to sleep.
Here's some more suggestions:
Stargate
Mystery Men
Transformers (the original animated movie)
Another mission, the powers have called me away. Another chance to carry the colours again. My motivation, an oath I've sworn to defend. To win the honour of coming back home again.
But it had OO7 in it,so it was pretty good on that level.
That movie was so bad that the franchise actually disavows its existence in the 3rd film by starting back at the point where the 1st film ends. No redemption.
painted: 12 dryads,9 glade guard,2 glade guard scouts.
assembled but unpainted: 2 glade guard and the lord's bowman, 8 glade guard scouts, sexy elf lord
in the box: , 8 glade riders, , one female spellsinger, Orion, Ariel, the faerie queen. SOB immolator, 15 sisters.
But it had OO7 in it,so it was pretty good on that level.
That movie was so bad that the franchise actually disavows its existence in the 3rd film by starting back at the point where the 1st film ends. No redemption.
QFT
dwarfs, wood elves, dark elves, bretonnians, WOC,
space wolves, orks, eldar
chaplaingrabthar wrote:I want to praise Last Action Hero. It got panned, but it's reflection on what makes a movie a movie and knowingly acknowledging the tropes it used were fething brilliant.
I didnt know last action hero did that badly...
I don't know if it did badly per se, but it is perceived as a flop, which was a rarity for Arnie at the time.
Amaya wrote:Last of the Mohicans. It didn't get much respect when it was released and it's pretty much forgotte now, but it is an excellent film with a beautiful score. It has some of the most moving scenes in modern cinema and the best fight scenes of any movie set in 18th century America.
Absolutely could not agree more! awesome flick! and the score during the last 8 minutes is hauntingly good, imho. a bit repetative, but awesome.
when the score first came out, we used to listen to it and a few others while having all night Magic: the addiction games! drinking lots of beer and strong sweet tea.
my nomination for a movie i hated to like would be Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man. "like my daddy used to say before he left this s****y world..."
and an all time classic would be Buckaroo Bonzai and the 8th dimension. freakin' great movie.
And who didn't love the song at the end of the credits. Music and clothes scream 80's!
Too bad they never made the sequel...
"But i'm more than just a little curious, how you're planning to go about making your amends, to the dead?" -The Noose-APC
"Little angel go away
Come again some other day
The devil has my ear today
I'll never hear a word you say" Weak and Powerless - APC
As far as I can remember, I enjoyed these movies when I was young, but doubt they are that good and would probably ruin my image of them if I watched them again.
Time Bandits
Krull
Never Ending Story
Flash Gordon
Any of the kung-fu or monster movies on Svengoolie (old tv show that was like MST 3000) Actually, maybe these movies just happened to be on before or after Svengoolie.
dwarfs, wood elves, dark elves, bretonnians, WOC,
space wolves, orks, eldar
Matrix Reloaded. First was good, but many people seem to not like the second. I thought it was pretty good though. I never saw the third one actually, but from what I hear I'm glad I've never seen it.
