Films that aren't all that bad.

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**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

I'd reckon its the pirate character, Steve? That guy made me like that film, even though I normally can't stand Vaughn.

Although I also though he was passable in four Christmas's.

**BrookM**

Vaughn is a massive prick, but the rest of the cast makes up for it. Yes, especially Steve the Pirate, Rip Torn as hobo teacher and Ben Stiller as that loveable prick next door.

**Perkustin**

There's a sci fi film Called 'Screamers' that is pretty good, Crippled by a low budget and a ropey end-game but very atmospheric and often creative with how it used it's limited budget. It was an adaptation of a Phil Dick story called 'The second variety' the most influential story ever in sci fi (Battle star galactica (ron moore) and the terminator owe it a great debt.). Outland doesn't fit in here; it is admittedly forgotten but it is widely regarded as decent. I think somebody was just trying to show off their mastery of sci fi :-P Another movie that is silly but good fun is 'Casshern' (i think it is korean.) I HATE eastern cinema (apart from takeshi Miike and non prententious action/martial arts) but i like this film.

**GazzyG**

Definitely The Princess Bride.

Honestly, first coupla minutes of the film I thought it was a right load of crap. But give it a chance and it just gets funnier and funnier. Nice, subtle humour, no slapstick, just wit and timing.

Love it.

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Howard A Treesong wrote:GiJoe was a film squandered. Of all the things they could have done with the franchise they produced nonsensical rubbish that was mostly back to back explosions. Why did we need power armour in the film? Why can we just have soldiers?

I detested the way that Scarlett was making eyes at Ripcord when she has *always* been Snake-eyes girl. Always. But this is hollywood and the attractive female star can't be paired off with a mute masked man. Oh by the way, Snake-Eyes wears a mask because he was horrifically injured saving Scarlett from a helicopter crash. But seeing as they've airbrushed their romance he's now silent because of taking a "vow of silence". LAME.

And the Baroness, they gutted that character, clearly you can't have a strong woman being a villainess just because it suits her, oh no she has to controlled by nanites. Furthermore she's always been Destro's (willing) girl and not a bit of fluff for Duke. Again Hollywood changing fundamental things to fit the "handsome good guy gets the girl" mould.

Then there's the trailer park universe aspect to it, it's bad enough in the comics but now we find out that the Baroness is Duke's ex and the cobra commander is also Duke's ex-buddy. WTF?!

Oh and the plot didn't make any sense. It seemed to be about "the Doctor" manipulating things so that he could take over and become Cobra Commander. Hence "Rise of the Cobra". But here's what I don't get; the bad guys appear to have a colossal underwater city bristling with missiles which is utterly destroyed just so "the Doctor" can escape in a tiny submarine as "Cobra Commander". Commander of what?!?! As an organisation they appeared to already have a GDP greater than the US with a colossal defense budget and medium sized army, and it's all thrown away so 'the Doctor' can become Commander. What's the point of all this terrorism when you already have more money than god?

Durr...

It's just like they took many ideas and characters from the GiJoe universe, put them all through a mincer and pressed what came out into the standard hollywood action movie mould just like every other crash-bang-wallop flick. And that's why it was a waste and stole 2 hours of my life.

Summed up pretty much everything I had issue with, on top of that, whats with the matching suits again Hollywood. Like with X-men, is there some unwritten Hollywood rule 'thou shall not be an indivual in a team based movie?' bugged me to hell.

One of my fave things with GI Joe was the different miltary units coming together.

As to my own,

Adventures in Babysitting I really like, even though hardly anyone has ever heard of the film, when I've raised it in the past.

Howard the Duck, its often rated in the worst ever films lists when they come up, but its a film I really like.

Hudson Hawk, this film gets blasted everytime I see it in any kind of worst list, but I love it, one of my favourite films. Richard E Grant and Sandra Bernhard play possibly my two fave villians in any film.

**mattyrm**

Hudson Hawk!

I loved that film, i watched it about ten times when i was a lad, and then i grow up and read that it was a huge flop and a massive turkey!?

I think it is awesome, Willis was likeable as the lead, and yes Richard E Grant and his missus were funny as feth.

**4M2A**

I don't know how anyone can say the men who stared at goats was good. I had a bad feeling about it but was persuaded to watch it. I can watch almost anythin but not that. it's the only film I can remeber which I just got up and left midway through. I couldn't find anything funny about it the plot didn't seem to be going anywhere.

**namegoeshere**

mattyrm wrote:Hudson Hawk!

I loved that film, i watched it about ten times when i was a lad, and then i grow up and read that it was a huge flop and a massive turkey!?

I think it is awesome, Willis was likeable as the lead, and yes Richard E Grant and his missus were funny as feth.

I liked it as a kid but not so much on a rewatch.

Screamers - awesome.

Flannel pyjamas.

Starchaser the legend of Orin.

**KingCracker**

kravus master of Horus wrote:
The Kilted Samurai wrote:There's a few on my list that people will probably hate me for but here it goes:

"Shutter Island"

I'm not sure what people hated so much about it. I thought it was pretty good, not amazing if anything. It was twisty enough to keep me interested and the acting was great as well.

"Star Wars Episode I" (Read statement before taring and feathering me lol)

I'm not actually a huge fan of this movie but I definitely liked it more than the other prequels. To me the Star Wars prequels really fell a part when Hayden Christen stepped onto the screen. Episode I, if you take out Jar Jar and the little kid is actually not a terrible movie, it's not good either but It's not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be. It's holds up a hell of a lot better than the last two movies and the acting is much better (in the sense though that it's like the thinnest kid in fat camp lol). Episode II and III are definitely the worst in my opinion.

Darth Maul, that is it. Just Darth Maul.

Yea thats the reason for me as well. I watch it for Pod racing and Darth Maul. He was a bad ass.

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namegoeshere wrote:
mattyrm wrote:Hudson Hawk!

I loved that film, i watched it about ten times when i was a lad, and then i grow up and read that it was a huge flop and a massive turkey!?

I think it is awesome, Willis was likeable as the lead, and yes Richard E Grant and his missus were funny as feth.

I liked it as a kid but not so much on a rewatch.

Screamers - awesome.

Flannel pyjamas.

Starchaser the legend of Orin.

Yep. I watched it almost weekly when I was a child, as an adult I was bummed I bought it.

And Screamers IS an awesome flick. I watch that often. And that "can I come with you" is a bit creepy

**Perkustin**

Used to think darth maul was cool but now i realise the fights in the prequel are just over-choreographed boring swordplay, who cares if yoda flips around and stuff?! Do you remember when luke has Vader on his ass in Jedi? He just starts striking at him furiously hoping to break the block by brute force, Now thats a fight! In a proper story/character driven film Fights are about violence, about the emotions. If you want mindless kung fu pick a martial arts movie from an all night garage.

The seth rogen vehicle Zack and Miri is pretty decent. I actually dont mind him to be honest.

**boogeyman**

You're right a fight is about emotion and violence, but aren't the jedi trained to control their emotions and be disciplined?

**Avatar 720**

Luke wasn't disciplined to the point of most other Jedi. Yoda taught him a bit, but he never recieved anywhere near the amount of training most others recieved; there's no concievable way that you could teach Luke what was taught to children from a young age through to adulthood in such a short space of time.

**boogeyman**

True. Which is why I liked watching him hacking away through Vader's defense, but it doesn't mean all of the other trained jedi would not fight with discipline and control.

**Bromsy**

Yeah, Luke was about 12 years too old to start training as an Old Republic Jedi. That said, the prequels were giant pieces of crap from both a technical and logic standpoint, but that's not the topic at hand.

Adventures in Babysitting was pretty good.
How about Evil Aliens, Dance of the Dead, Black Sheep (not the Chris Farley one), Ninja Assassin, Dragonheart, and Sky High?

**Amaya**

Underworld and Underworld: Evolution. How can you dislike a film that features Kate Beckinsale kicking ass in a tight leather outfit?

**sebster**

Perkustin wrote:Used to think darth maul was cool but now i realise the fights in the prequel are just over-choreographed boring swordplay, who cares if yoda flips around and stuff?! Do you remember when luke has Vader on his ass in Jedi? He just starts striking at him furiously hoping to break the block by brute force, Now thats a fight! In a proper story/character driven film Fights are about violence, about the emotions. If you want mindless kung fu pick a martial arts movie from an all night garage.

Funnily enough, loads of geeks complain that the fight in Return of the Jedi was all flips and flash stuff, because they compare it to the very static fight in the original film.

**Amaya**

The Darth Maul duel was the only good prequel duel.

**The Kilted Samurai**

Amaya wrote:The Darth Maul duel was the only good prequel duel.

Yeah the ones that followed were to repetitive. It's so easy to follow it's just high slash, high slash, low slash, low slash, spin slash/jump/kick, high slash again, repeat. lol

**Amaya**

I don't know about that. The problem with the later ones is that they are too over the top and flashy. It doesn't even look like they're trying to hit each other. The OT and Darth Maul duels actually looked like the duelists were trying to kill one another.

**The Kilted Samurai**

Amaya wrote:I don't know about that. The problem with the later ones is that they are too over the top and flashy. It doesn't even look like they're trying to hit each other. The OT and Darth Maul duels actually looked like the duelists were trying to kill one another.

That too, they just got so repetitive to me more than anything, it became less sword dueling and more sword dancing =P.

**Bromsy**

Yeah, but the first film gets ruined by the opening, the middle part, and the very end. Plus the whole Tatooine scene. Aside from still wondering why Qui-Gon is in this movie at all, why do you bring a cartoon rabbit and a pretty, young, and vulnerable girl into a disreputable space port? Leaving both the security captain and your apprentice to sit on the ship... And the climax of the movie you have four completely different things with wildly different emotions going on... tf?

**Avatar 720**

Amaya wrote:Underworld and Underworld: Evolution. How can you dislike a film that features Kate Beckinsale kicking ass in a tight leather outfit?

You cannot; it's... it's impossible.

**loranafaeriequeen**

I'm reading through this and I'm having issues with the fact that someone said Clerks 1 and 2 were merely "ok". Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back I will give you as being merely ok. Most of Kevin Smith's movies are amazing storeis about romantic relationships, dealing with becoming an adult, and realizing where you are and who you want to be in life. Dogma is a great commentary on some of the problems with organized religion.

**Fafnir**

The Kilted Samurai wrote:
Amaya wrote:The Darth Maul duel was the only good prequel duel.
Yeah the ones that followed were to repetitive. It's so easy to follow it's just high slash, high slash, low slash, low slash, spin slash/jump/kick, high slash again, repeat. lol

I find many of the best parts of the fights in the original trilogy wasn't the swordplay itself, but the static between each strike, where both fighters are sizing one another up. That's where a lot of the real feeling comes in. The 'fight' between Vader and Obi-Wan in A New Hope had so much more tension than any fight in the prequel trilogy, and only a single stroke was made.

**Albatross**

loranafaeriequeen wrote:I'm reading through this and I'm having issues with the fact that someone said Clerks 1 and 2 were merely "ok". Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back I will give you as being merely ok. Most of Kevin Smith's movies are amazing storeis about romantic relationships, dealing with becoming an adult, and realizing where you are and who you want to be in life. Dogma is a great commentary on some of the problems with organized religion.

Low-hanging fruit though, to be honest.

I detest that man's films. The dialogue is uniformly appalling.

**Daba**

The Super Mario Bros movie and the Street Fighter movie.

In fact, I find a lot of the new (awful) video game movies just illustrate how much more enjoyable these ones were.

**Fafnir**

Albatross wrote:Low-hanging fruit though, to be honest.

I detest that man's films. The dialogue is uniformly appalling.

True. Any romantic conversation, especially the ones between Padme and Anakin, is cringe inducing.

Although to be fair, the dialogue in the original trilogy wasn't as bad. Mostly because I presume that the actors knew when to tell Lucas that his writing was crap, rather than to simply revere him and his word as the second coming of Space Christ.

Anyway, as far as underrated movies go, I'm going to have to jump on The Fountain and Mirrormask.

The Fountain was simply an amazing movie, and the only reason it got mixed reviews was because half the critics out there have no idea what the movie was about. Visually and aurally stunning, and with some incredibly powerful and complex themes. As far as movies that centre around a love based plot, this is my favourite.

And in the case of Mirrormask... well, Neil Gaiman is my favourite writer, but I still got to say that he really took the piss when it came to the plot (it's not bad, but coming from the author of The Sandman, American Gods, Coraline and Stardust, you expect more) . But at least the dialogue was still great, with Gaiman's usual sense of wit. But on a whole, the movie is a vehicle for Dave McKean's amazing art direction, and it does that wonderfully. If you like Dave McKean's artwork (and if you have any taste at all, you do), then this movie is pure gold.

**Albatross**

@Fafnir - Uh, I meant Kevin Smith films! I went back and fixed it after I saw that you posted just after lorana....

I agree on the Star Wars thing, for what it's worth.

**Ahtman**

Fafnir wrote:
Albatross wrote:Low-hanging fruit though, to be honest.

I detest that man's films. The dialogue is uniformly appalling.

True. Any romantic conversation, especially the ones between Padme and Anakin, is cringe inducing.

Although to be fair, the dialogue in the original trilogy wasn't as bad. Mostly because I presume that the actors knew when to tell Lucas that his writing was crap, rather than to simply revere him and his word as the second coming of Space Christ.

Pretty much this. If you watch the documentaries on the original trilogy it was a group effort with collaboration from all involved, especially the actors and different directors. The documentaries of the prequels makes it seem like he surrounded himself with sycophants and that the actors were phoning it in.

**Fafnir**

Well, it's not like the actors had much help to begin with. In addition to horrible dialogue and direction, all they ever had was a blue wall to interact with (and I guess for those really emotional scenes, they got a green wall).

I mean, if you've seen Black Swan (And you all should have. If you havn't go out and watch it right now. I don't care if it's 4 in the morning, it's that good. Go.), you know Natalie Portman is an amazing actress. And we get none of that in the prequels. When you see these actors really acting, and you see what we got in the prequel trilogy, you really feel bad for what could have been.