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alarmingrick wrote:So, I have a question. Who burned Winterfell? Was it the guys that came to save them?
Or the 20 guys who could clearly be trusted to watch your house while you where out lead by Theon?
Yeah, the TV show didn't really explain what happened at all.
Perhaps it will in the next season.
According to the books, the following happens: (spoilers through book 2, or episode 10 of season 2)
Spoiler:
1) Theon captures Winterfell. (Although, in the book he's a bit more clever, using a secondary force to draw the Stark defenders away)
2) Ser Rodrik (the older Stark guy with the giant sideburns who was killed early in the TV show) organizes a group of northerners to recapture Winterfell.
3) Forces from the Freys (the bridge guys) and the Boltons (as-of-yet unintroduced evil guys who put Joffery to shame) arrive under the pretense of helping Ser Rodrik.
4) Those forces betray the Stark loyalists and attack them in the night, defeating them.
5) Theon welcomes them into Winterfell, thinking them allies, but they kill everyone inside and burn Winterfell.
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"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
Well have to say that last show was bloody brilliant! The ending in particular where the camera panned up to Keith Richards sitting on that undead horse, and his head turned slowly around!
Now the long wait until the next series... that's if it gets made? Anyone know what the ratings were like for the second series?
I don't think I could standanother series being cancelled.
Pacific wrote:Now the long wait until the next series... that's if it gets made? Anyone know what the ratings were like for the second series?
The lowest viewed episode of this season (s2e9 with 3.38 million viewers) was higher than the most viewed episode of last season (s1e10 with 3.04 million viewers). So, it's still pretty healthy and picking up steam.
This is an HBO show, so viewers tend to be lower anyway. GoT is doing a bit better than Boardwalk Empire and crushing Enlightened, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Girls. It isn't very close to True Blood, but how can a fantasy drama possibly compete with a combination of Twilight and Porn?
Pacific wrote:Now the long wait until the next series... that's if it gets made? Anyone know what the ratings were like for the second series?
The lowest viewed episode of this season (s2e9 with 3.38 million viewers) was higher than the most viewed episode of last season (s1e10 with 3.04 million viewers). So, it's still pretty healthy and picking up steam.
This is an HBO show, so viewers tend to be lower anyway. GoT is doing a bit better than Boardwalk Empire and crushing Enlightened, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Girls. It isn't very close to True Blood, but how can a fantasy drama possibly compete with a combination of Twilight and Porn?
And, Season 3 has already been announced.
...Which will be only the first half of 'A Storm of Swords'.
Rumor is that book 4 won't be it's own stand alone season and that it's content will be added in where it's ment to be within the seasons dedicated to the 3rd & 5th books. All I cansay is thank god!
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Imagine trying to sit through and entire 10 episodes with no Jon Snow, no Daneryes and no Tyrion! THAT would likely result in the series getting the boot...
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According to the books, the following happens: (spoilers through book 2, or episode 10 of season 2)
Spoiler:
1) Theon captures Winterfell. (Although, in the book he's a bit more clever, using a secondary force to draw the Stark defenders away)
2) Ser Rodrik (the older Stark guy with the giant sideburns who was killed early in the TV show) organizes a group of northerners to recapture Winterfell.
3) Forces from the Freys (the bridge guys) and the Boltons (as-of-yet unintroduced evil guys who put Joffery to shame) arrive under the pretense of helping Ser Rodrik.
4) Those forces betray the Stark loyalists and attack them in the night, defeating them.
5) Theon welcomes them into Winterfell, thinking them allies, but they kill everyone inside and burn Winterfell.
I can't remember, at that point of the book had Rob Stark reneged on his promise to marry the Frey girl?
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According to the books, the following happens: (spoilers through book 2, or episode 10 of season 2)
Spoiler:
1) Theon captures Winterfell. (Although, in the book he's a bit more clever, using a secondary force to draw the Stark defenders away)
2) Ser Rodrik (the older Stark guy with the giant sideburns who was killed early in the TV show) organizes a group of northerners to recapture Winterfell.
3) Forces from the Freys (the bridge guys) and the Boltons (as-of-yet unintroduced evil guys who put Joffery to shame) arrive under the pretense of helping Ser Rodrik.
4) Those forces betray the Stark loyalists and attack them in the night, defeating them.
5) Theon welcomes them into Winterfell, thinking them allies, but they kill everyone inside and burn Winterfell.
I can't remember, at that point of the book had Rob Stark reneged on his promise to marry the Frey girl?
Yup. He had already slept with (possibly impregnated, depending on the fan theory) and married Jeyne Westerling.
According to the books, the following happens: (spoilers through book 2, or episode 10 of season 2)
Spoiler:
1) Theon captures Winterfell. (Although, in the book he's a bit more clever, using a secondary force to draw the Stark defenders away)
2) Ser Rodrik (the older Stark guy with the giant sideburns who was killed early in the TV show) organizes a group of northerners to recapture Winterfell.
3) Forces from the Freys (the bridge guys) and the Boltons (as-of-yet unintroduced evil guys who put Joffery to shame) arrive under the pretense of helping Ser Rodrik.
4) Those forces betray the Stark loyalists and attack them in the night, defeating them.
5) Theon welcomes them into Winterfell, thinking them allies, but they kill everyone inside and burn Winterfell.
I can't remember, at that point of the book had Rob Stark reneged on his promise to marry the Frey girl?
Yup. He had already slept with (possibly impregnated, depending on the fan theory) and married Jeyne Westerling.
Who for some reason now is form Volantis :L
Can't wait for the next piece of Frey treachery if done well enough, pity the red vipers duel won't happen till season 4
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Is it just me or does the actor who plays Ser Jorah Mormont look too attractive for the character? I mean, hes not Drogo (Conan), but hes not 'the bear' which Danny can't even see herself doing in the books and makes her repulsed by his advances. Its also probably because she just wants him as a father figure and not as a lover.
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Its not even that hes low-born. Later on Danny has a sexual relationship and "love" (her words) for a dashing sellsword captain. True she refuses to marry him, but she did basically reject Mormont because he was too gruff, ugly and old. In fact she comes across as quite shallow in the books.
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I though the actor cast was great as he has weathered but still slightly atractive looks, Jason Momoa is a different matter entirely.
From what I remember she just didn't love Ser Jorah in the same way he did her.
She loves Daario physically but in the setting you marry for power and position not for love (*cough* Robb Stark *cough*)
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Totalwar1402 wrote:Is it just me or does the actor who plays Ser Jorah Mormont look too attractive for the character? I mean, hes not Drogo (Conan), but hes not 'the bear' which Danny can't even see herself doing in the books and makes her repulsed by his advances. Its also probably because she just wants him as a father figure and not as a lover.
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Its not even that hes low-born. Later on Danny has a sexual relationship and "love" (her words) for a dashing sellsword captain. True she refuses to marry him, but she did basically reject Mormont because he was too gruff, ugly and old. In fact she comes across as quite shallow in the books.
If they were to have made all the cast memebers actually resemble their characters as described in the book... Well, let's just say you'd never want to eat anything or think of sex while watching the show! (Tyrion is hienously ugly by the book for example)
Hell, the way Jorah is described, you could take a fething lawn mower to him and shave his entire body! They do want women to watch the show too!
As for the way Dany treats Jorah;
a) she thinks he's too old for her
b) he's not the prettiest thing in the world by any means!
c) his over-protectiveness of her tends to grate on her nerves. (he's very much a 'trust no one' protective father/older brother type)
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he kissed her without her permission and she actually found she rather liked it! But she's peeved because she believes it was highly out of line for him, (he's her knight, she's his queen), and she blames herself for allowing it too happen
Biggest!
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she really gets enraged when ser Baristan reveals that Jorah was Varys' informent who was selling her secrets to King Robert, hence she firmly believes Jorah to be the 'betrayal of love' she's been warned about. (of corse, I think Darrio is the real betrayal of love - Jorah at most could be the 'bretayal of gold')
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:I though the actor cast was great as he has weathered but still slightly atractive looks, Jason Momoa is a different matter entirely.
From what I remember she just didn't love Ser Jorah in the same way he did her.
She loves Daario physically but in the setting you marry for power and position not for love (*cough* Robb Stark *cough*)
My impression was that Danny didn't like Jorah for physical reasons. When she compares Daario and Jorah, she fantasises repeatedly about the former and yet realises she can't think that way about Jorah. So I assumed the person would have been quite ugly. TBH I don't get what Danny sees in Daario. She could ask or pay for any (number of?) beautiful man who knows a few tricks in the bedroom and has plenty of men hacking heads off for her. So I really don't get her fascination for this particular bloke. Plus, she has no intention of marrying Daario, same as Mormont, but still lets the former slither into her bed; which is a blatent double standard since both men wanted the same thing. So the distinction was largely physical and her preference for a "charmer".
Oh BTW, if anyone has Medieval Total War 2, they've actually made a mod called Westeros Total War where you can play as one of the Houses. Sadly no eastern map and Danny Still, worth checking out.
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totalwar1402 wrote:she fantasises repeatedly about the former and yet realises she can't think that way about Jorah. So I assumed the person would have been quite ugly
Somebody doesn't have to be ugly to have no sex appeal.
And Xaro in the books was pale white, the actor is about as different as it can get
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If they were to have made all the cast memebers actually resemble their characters as described in the book... Well, let's just say you'd never want to eat anything or think of sex while watching the show! (Tyrion is hienously ugly by the book for example)
Hell, the way Jorah is described, you could take a fething lawn mower to him and shave his entire body! They do want women to watch the show too!
As for the way Dany treats Jorah;
a) she thinks he's too old for her
b) he's not the prettiest thing in the world by any means!
c) his over-protectiveness of her tends to grate on her nerves. (he's very much a 'trust no one' protective father/older brother type)
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he kissed her without her permission and she actually found she rather liked it! But she's peeved because she believes it was highly out of line for him, (he's her knight, she's his queen), and she blames herself for allowing it too happen
Thats true, but i think it makes her rejecting his advances less easy to understand if the actor is actually good looking in a rough sort of way and has a good heart. Yes its improper for a Queen to have relations due to his lowly status. But thats not understandable once she meets Daario and clearly starts breaking her code. A sellsword captain is basically scum even comapred to a knight (of a fairly okay sized island to be fair) and Ser Jorah was never sworn like a Kingsguard so I don't know why she would view it as more improper. Technically a higher born lord would be similarly pledged to serve their Queen and yet such relations wouldn't be frowned upon at all. I think the series will put more emphasis on the issue of rank/status being a barrier, but without the physical element it doesn't make as much sense if she goes on to screw Daario.
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Ah, I'am not refering to his exile. I was refering to why Danny didn't fall for him and how it was coz he was ugly. Her discarding him is another thing entirely and had little to do with her not wanting him in that way. Was a shame that he couldn't realise that being contrite would have been better and that she didn't realise the parrallels with her own exile.
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totalwar1402 wrote:she fantasises repeatedly about the former and yet realises she can't think that way about Jorah. So I assumed the person would have been quite ugly
Somebody doesn't have to be ugly to have no sex appeal.
And Xaro in the books was pale white, the actor is about as different as it can get
Well, the mans described like the bear he wears on his chest. ie Big, hairy, lovable, but you wouldn't want him sinking his claws into you. I can't quote where Danny says Jorah's not a looker, but the one on the GoT ain't that bad. I'll admit that Jorah is clumsy when it comes to romance, in fact its probably why he was only able to win his previous wifes favour by spending money to desperately try and make her happy. Daario is a charmer and a looker apparently(golden teeth apparently) so is the polar opposite of Jorah. The sellsword is all exterior beauty and mummers show whilst his motives are selfish n corrupt. Jorah is blunt, ugly, but loyal, sincere and smitten with love on the inside.
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I could imagine them both coming to blows in the Yunkai camp. But i hope Jorah doesn't kill him, because Danny definetly would not forgive that and IMO if she killed Jorah would be a totally stupid . I mean she actually knows Daario is a selfish bloodthirsty mercenary who feels nothing for her but describes it as love. Shes sixteen, does she not get that any experienced peasant with all his fingers and tongue could give her one?
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I can understand the situation of Dany constantly refusing Jorah because 'he's not a looker' being highly confusing to non-book readers, but it's just a downside to the nesessities of filming the series really.
I mean, I know I sure as hell wouldn't watch any scene with Jorah if they'd actually made Ian Glen look like a manbear!
Hell, he'd remind me far too much at that point of the hairy beargut mamoth that lives across the street from me and likes to prance around without a shirt on all summer... (*curles into the fetal position*)
Still, I think there's alot more to come with the whole does she/doesn't she question with Dany & Jorah.
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He at least has to live long enough to vouch for Tyrion and have Dany ask for his forgiveness, otherwise her character will likely continue as a mopey train-wreck
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dogma wrote:Her taste in men is based on her fear of power. But she doesn't really know what power is. It's a variation on the "I want a nice guy." syndrome.
Fear of power? I would have said the exact opposite. She says shes afraid of being dominated by Daario but she still wants him utterly because hes a tough guy and likes him because of his power. What do you mean by not know what power is?
I could get the like cruel boys thing. But Danny isn't a highschool student. Danny is
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Queen of Mereen, Mother of Dragons and Dovahkiin
and should really be surrounded by rakish suitors like Daario. It would be more understandable if she were having her cake and eating it rather than nibbling and calling it love. Just doesn't make sense. By all rights the woman should devalue the sort of affections Daario shows to her as a mummers show that any actor could pull.
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Dany likes Daario because of his looks and the fact he's headstrong and impulsive with some mystical, unknown quality.
Jorah is pretty plain compared to him, nothing exotic about him at all, same with Ser Selmy, but he loves thew queen a subject loves, not in the carnal sense
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I did feel really sorry for the Martell boy, he was so innocent then got himself killed by playing with fire
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I did not mind Dany taking a young exciting lover to take her mind off her other worries - she does not have the worry of becoming pregnant that often historical female rulers had and is an absolute monarch. I just wish she had been more hard line as Queen -- I had hoped Book 5 she would act that way but it was a more a filler book in the vein of the endless Wheel of Time.........and as for the extra characters - most of them held little or no interest to me. It took till the very end of Book 5 for her seemingly to get back to the old Dany.
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locking her dragons away was a majorily bad move as they with her unsullied, were her power base. Also the whole never actually meeting Tyrion was a really annoying plot - the two of them working together would have been a really interesting match up. Did not like the introduction of Dany's relative
Regarding appearance of characters - whilst pretty - the present actress does not fit my minds eye of the Queen of Dragons (everyone in the books describes her as tall and slender) - she plays the role well though. Again no issues with Ser Jorah appearance really.
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Its not that she takes him as a lover. Its that she thinks she actually loves him; when really there are hundreds of men like him who would be just as willing to do her. I mean, I think women rulers like Catherine the Great had favourites whilst they juggled rakish suitors; but they never were mad enough to think about love. Its worse because Danny knows all of his flaws but just ignores them. I mean, you don't love somebody who you think doesn't feel anything for you as a person (even sexually she thinks he would discard her without being dragon queen), is repulsively bloodthristy and just wants to be King. She doesn't treat it as a shallow just sex relationship, which is both safer and more appropriate.
I quite liked Daenerys having a bit of puppy flesh on her in the series. Plus being short makes her seem more of an under-dog and generally shorter women are better proportioned IMO.
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Mr Morden wrote:she does not have the worry of becoming pregnant
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Or does she?
bum Bum BUUUUMMMM
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As I read it not until the very end of book 5 is this posisble again?
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Mr Morden wrote:she does not have the worry of becoming pregnant
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Or does she?
bum Bum BUUUUMMMM
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As I read it not until the very end of book 5 is this posisble again?
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Exactly what is going on at the end of ADwD is unclear. Either she just got her period again, or she was actually pregnant and just suffered a miscarriage.
Either way, she thought she wasn't able to get pregnant, but Mirri Maz Duur didn't actually say that. In fact, she predicted Dany would have another child.
It will be interesting to see how the TV show influences the next novels...............for instance the excellent Bron appearing again
If anyone is bored, I did try and scribble some word how I would have prefered Dany to act in the most recent novels
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It was true that she still had nightmares about the mans daughter, horrific visions of the burning child in the claws and talons of her very own Drogon, yet even these nightmares would not separate her from her children.
She had tried to console herself with the thought that children died every day but that was cold comfort. A queen, even the Mother of Dragons, must make difficult choices, sacrifices even - and she better than most, understood this. One man had lost a child, had she not lost the same - and a husband too..........
Some had urged that she put aside her source of power and strength, confine them in a pit perhaps, separated from her love. This she would not do. Too many she had sworn to protect had already perished, dying at the hands of those who would see her lost, and she would not abandon any more and certainly not her children.
It was time that the city and people of Meereen learned who it was that ruled them - she was tired of the customs that they urged upon her - trying to make her acceptable to them. She had decided she could either be absorbed into their world or retain her true identity as the blood of the dragon, with all that that entailed. The people would have to accept her as she was - good and bad.
As she prepared for yet another appearance before the petitioners of her city, she disdained the tokar, something the Green Grace and others had advised against. Her costume was simple and accentuated her natural beauty whilst allowing her to move freely, something denied her by the favoured garment of the masters and mistresses of Meerem. It seemed her handmaidens approved, for their fussing on this morning was minimal and their chatter increased.
Entering the room, she was proceeded by Missandei, who smiled broadly before she announced the Queens entry into the hall.
"All kneel for Daenerys Stormborn, the Unburnt, Queen of Meeren, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men. Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of shackles and.............." she paused for effect before her strong young voice finished on a crescendo "Mother of Dragons".
When Daenerys strode into the great audience chamber, it was silent and full of tension and all eyes were fixed upon her as she made her way past the unmoving but ever watchful Unsullied. Amongst the gathered courtiers, some faces were full of fear, others bore no expression but suspicion was evident in their eyes, yet many freedmen still obviously held her in high esteem, perhaps bordering on worship.
She did not glance upon those who stood awaiting her pleasure, their eyes following her slight form as it approached the marble steps where her advisors stood awaiting her. Even they looked uncomfortable at its summit, the cause of which was very evident to all in the room.
Curled around the sumptuous couch upon which the ruler of Meereen had traditionally received her peoples requests and occasionally demands, was the pale and sinuous length of a sleepy dragon. Viserion watched her approach with the slit eyes of a cat, smoke curling lazily from his nostrils, his long tail twitching occasionally across the warm marble - its surface heated by his very nature.
Pausing only to caress the white and gold head of the recumbent beast, Dany seated herself and looked down upon the court. Again the length of ivory tail flicked across the stone as the Dragon curled its head back to gaze upon its mother in evident adoration. The Queen of Meeren gazed upon her court, her fine teeth showing as she smiled, and those who looked upon her would later swear that they could see the predatory nature of her pale child mirrored in that smile......
Behind the queen stood two men whose expressions were at odds with the rest, satisfaction and anticipation warred with their obvious concern at the presence of the great reptile. Ser Barristan and Skahaz mo Kandaq were hard men and they were pleased that their patron seemed to have had enough of seeking to please everyone and had prepared a proclamation that would confirm this intention.
Conspicuous by his absence was Reznak mo Reznak who upon reading the list of pronouncements was seemingly overcome with fear and remorse - retiring directly to his rooms in the hope that "Her Radiance would reconsider her proposed actions." This she would not do, and at the urging of her more martial councillors, she had ordered that his quarters be closely watched lest he seek to warn others of her intentions, although she restrained them from outright violence against his person.
Daenerys had considered making the pronouncements herself but had, after due consideration, opted to allow her faithful Missandei to read the words. She did not look upon he girl as she drew breath to recite the words upon the scroll she had unsheathed, but instead her eyes swept across the courtiers as she prepared to gauge their reactions.
"Daenerys Stormborn, the Unburnt, Queen of Meeren has listened to the pleas of her subjects and will once more allow the fighting pits to open....Any freeman may try his sword in them, and in addition as per tradition, murderers and rapers may be forced to fight as well as all those who persist in slaving."
As instructed, Missandei paused a moment to allow her Queen to see how this was received and with a sinking heart Dany noted the ripple of pleasure and excitement sweep the room, from former slaver and freedman alike.
Does blood call to them this much, well then perhaps they would enjoy her next act?
"Our beloved Queen, the Breaker of shackles will not countenance the continued presence in her city of the cowardly murderers that hide in the shadows. Any that claim allegiance to these cutthroats will face her children in the pits, for they are not fit to face men in battle - instead they shall perish in fire and blood, feeding her children and making them and your Queen stronger.........." The murmurs ceased as the multitude absorbed her words.
Oh dear, does this shock you my bloodthirsty people, well you should not bait the dragon in her lair, for her anger is a fearful thing to behold..............
Dany switched her attention for a moment to little Missandei as she continued to speak. "To better protect her people, she will take under her wing a son from each of the Great Masters, that they may better understand our glorious regent and she might better comprehend her subjects. Escorts are on their way to make sure they reach her Pyramid safely and without interference from these skulking cutthroats." All patently understood her meaning and again the murmurs began..... Listen closely my children for I am not done yet....
"Our trusted servant, your very own Skahaz mo Kandaq will create a new watch, Meereenses will keep the peace in Meereen. It gladdens her heart that the Great Masters have agreed to each give a hundred pieces of gold for each soul taken by the thieves in the night to pay for this watch - rejoice that all are united in their efforts to stamp out this scourge."
Daenerys did not need to turn to see the smile upon the shaveplate's face, she had seen it blossom on his face when she had first announced it to her council, even as the blood drained from the that of Reznak. Ser Barristan had neither smiled nor flinched but she knew he understood and agreed, even if he did not enjoy or truly approve. She was not sure she did either, but she was a Queen now and hard was the throne upon which she sat.
She wondered what effect her words would have, would they make the situation worse or give her some respite from the murders in the night.....only time would tell.
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
THAT would likely result in the series getting the boot...
Sylvaneth A forest
III Legion 5000pts
XIII Legion 9000pts
Hive Fleet Khadrim 5000pts
Kabal of the Torn Lotus .4000pts
Coalition of neo Sacea 5000pts
(Tyrion is hienously ugly by the book for example)
. I mean she actually knows Daario is a selfish bloodthirsty mercenary who feels nothing for her but describes it as love. Shes sixteen, does she not get that any experienced peasant with all his fingers and tongue could give her one?
