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DraconicGuardian wrote:I say we don't stop the hijacking. Sure, the "webdudes" gave some sort of response, but obviously this is because the sheer volume of posts before was too much for them to simply delete them. That is my theory at least. Appease the peasants so they stop rioting because they cannot actually contain what is going on any other way. And I don't think they CAN follow through with what they said either, not if it continues at the rate it has. Maybe if GW keeps getting email complaints from staff about the way things are going on there, they will finally deign to come down and speak to the rabble!!

Post on the wall, fill it with negative posts

The way I see it, their Facebook page is advertisement, not a discussion area. They can and will delete anything that shows them in a negative light. If you want to discuss their failings you have to do it where they cannot moderate it themself like right here. Don't think for a minute that GW is not reading these posts on DakkaDakka. They might not act on them, but they will read them.

WarOne wrote:I would be forgiving of GW if their price increase also came with an explanation*.

*That assumes they are not doing it to gouge the prices. Reasonable answers could include price of material, transportation costs, costs of increased production, ect..

None of the above.
Just explained away as "the annual price rise" which it seems will continue in perpetuity.
The caveat falls on the (reasonable) grounds of expecting reason.
But this is GW in a week where they have totally gone off the rails.

I am beginning to wonder that if GW was an individual and not a corporation, they would have been sectioned by now under the Mental Health Act (1983)
They just seem to have suffered a breakdown.

or some kind of vegatative state from which nothing returns...

as for the cost of gw miniatures, i find it highly unlikely that we the customers will ever get our points across the vast chasm between gw management and us.
out of touch usually applies to politicians, but it seems such an inadequate phrase to use on gw.
brain dead would be a better description for these greedy, vacuous morons...

Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that GW's internal atmosphere is very restrictive, with critique/feedback not encouraged and often leading to being fired.

There is another company closely associated with GW licensing that closely resembles the remark Kroothawk made above.

But at least they have a place to allow consumers some modicum of feedback for their products other than relying on outside fora sources for it.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:I wish people would just leave them alone.... If anything, you don't want a company to hate its customers...

Who cares if they hate their customers? They have already made their disdain for their customer base quite clear many years ago.

It is the job of a business to cater to their customers needs. It is not the job of the consumer to worry about whether or not the company they patronize with their money hates them.


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Mohoc wrote:The way I see it, their Facebook page is advertisement, not a discussion area. They can and will delete anything that shows them in a negative light. If you want to discuss their failings you have to do it where they cannot moderate it themself like right here. Don't think for a minute that GW is not reading these posts on DakkaDakka. They might not act on them, but they will read them.

Quoted for absolute truth. Especially the bolded sentence.

I know of no game company that refrains from reading outside sources of feedback that they can glean for free.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Honestly, the best way is to simply not buy any Games Workshop product. If you purchase from a LFGS---purchase other lines instead to keep the guy in business.


If everyone---told everyone they knew that played 40k----to not purchase any GW product for----say two months---I dare say it might make a blip. So 1k people see the thread---tell 2 others---everyone followed that---that's 3k people. Say each would have spent 30 bucks in that time frame---that's 90,000 dollars. That's likely wishful thinking---but if enough people organized and simply didn't spend money---they would notice. However most people lack attention spans or discipline to conduct a buy freeze like that.

No. Stupid Idea. I like Warhammer.

Warmachine is ugly.

I rest my case.

Henners91 wrote:In my opinion, Warmachine is ugly.

Fixed that for you.

Gamesworkshop has got rid of the comment option on their stuff on Facebook, I think it may of been due to me recently having a conversation with somebody elses about Warmachine and how cool it looked on one of their posts and posting a link to Privateer press on their recent post


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Found a new one to spam:
http://www.facebook.com/gamesworkshopofficial?sk=wall#!/GamesWorkshopUK

Oh never mind you cannot comment on that one now either

Henners91 wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Honestly, the best way is to simply not buy any Games Workshop product. If you purchase from a LFGS---purchase other lines instead to keep the guy in business.


If everyone---told everyone they knew that played 40k----to not purchase any GW product for----say two months---I dare say it might make a blip. So 1k people see the thread---tell 2 others---everyone followed that---that's 3k people. Say each would have spent 30 bucks in that time frame---that's 90,000 dollars. That's likely wishful thinking---but if enough people organized and simply didn't spend money---they would notice. However most people lack attention spans or discipline to conduct a buy freeze like that.

No. Stupid Idea. I like Warhammer.

Warmachine is ugly.

I rest my case.

That's both subjective and has some logic faults... There's other games than Warmachine and Warhammer.

bolo wrote:

Henners91 wrote:In my opinion, Warmachine is ugly.

Fixed that for you.

vs

Naw dawg, it's fact.

Balance wrote:

Henners91 wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Honestly, the best way is to simply not buy any Games Workshop product. If you purchase from a LFGS---purchase other lines instead to keep the guy in business.


If everyone---told everyone they knew that played 40k----to not purchase any GW product for----say two months---I dare say it might make a blip. So 1k people see the thread---tell 2 others---everyone followed that---that's 3k people. Say each would have spent 30 bucks in that time frame---that's 90,000 dollars. That's likely wishful thinking---but if enough people organized and simply didn't spend money---they would notice. However most people lack attention spans or discipline to conduct a buy freeze like that.

No. Stupid Idea. I like Warhammer.

Warmachine is ugly.

I rest my case.

That's both subjective and has some logic faults... There's other games than Warmachine and Warhammer.

Ohhh yeah! How silly of me... Well unfortunately nobody plays Flames of War.

Don't go telling me there're more than three wargames out there, lal.

Henners91 wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Honestly, the best way is to simply not buy any Games Workshop product. If you purchase from a LFGS---purchase other lines instead to keep the guy in business.


If everyone---told everyone they knew that played 40k----to not purchase any GW product for----say two months---I dare say it might make a blip. So 1k people see the thread---tell 2 others---everyone followed that---that's 3k people. Say each would have spent 30 bucks in that time frame---that's 90,000 dollars. That's likely wishful thinking---but if enough people organized and simply didn't spend money---they would notice. However most people lack attention spans or discipline to conduct a buy freeze like that.

No. Stupid Idea. I like Warhammer.

Warmachine is horrendous, dog-gak ugly crap that I would never even consider buying. This is my opinion, by the way.

I rest my case.

Fixed that for you. I agree.

PP v. GW aesthetics are off-topic. Please take that to another thread, preferably in Dakka Discussions.

In the Grimdark of the future there is only petty squabbles.

In the grim reality of the present there is only GW.
Must be why it's so bloody grim.

You can talk about GW as compared to PP here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/370261.page#2829443

Henners91 wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Honestly, the best way is to simply not buy any Games Workshop product. If you purchase from a LFGS---purchase other lines instead to keep the guy in business.


If everyone---told everyone they knew that played 40k----to not purchase any GW product for----say two months---I dare say it might make a blip. So 1k people see the thread---tell 2 others---everyone followed that---that's 3k people. Say each would have spent 30 bucks in that time frame---that's 90,000 dollars. That's likely wishful thinking---but if enough people organized and simply didn't spend money---they would notice. However most people lack attention spans or discipline to conduct a buy freeze like that.

No. Stupid Idea. I like Warhammer.

Warmachine is ugly.

I rest my case.

That's like saying, "I'll only buy Ford cars because I don't like Toyota. What about Malifaux, or Infinity, or Reaper, or mantic, or one of the other dozens of systems out there besides Privateer press and GW?

Guildsman wrote:

Henners91 wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Honestly, the best way is to simply not buy any Games Workshop product. If you purchase from a LFGS---purchase other lines instead to keep the guy in business.


If everyone---told everyone they knew that played 40k----to not purchase any GW product for----say two months---I dare say it might make a blip. So 1k people see the thread---tell 2 others---everyone followed that---that's 3k people. Say each would have spent 30 bucks in that time frame---that's 90,000 dollars. That's likely wishful thinking---but if enough people organized and simply didn't spend money---they would notice. However most people lack attention spans or discipline to conduct a buy freeze like that.

No. Stupid Idea. I like Warhammer.

Warmachine is ugly.

I rest my case.

That's like saying, "I'll only buy Ford cars because I don't like Toyota. What about Malifaux, or Infinity, or Reaper, or mantic, or one of the other dozens of systems out there besides Privateer press and GW?

Last I'll say on the matter as Manchu's pointed out it's off-topic (sorry).

But err, the only time I've been exposed to (two of) those is at the Wargaming Society at my uni... and sorry, the following is pathetically small, I can't walk into a store anywhere and just play it and, frankly, the fluff isn't as cool. Combine that with what are likely metal minis, made to a lower standard and often revolving around little nerdy sub-genres that I don't really care for and you have the reason why I shan't consider heretical leanins such as considering small competitors of GW. Sorry.

Though perhaps when I am 50 I might get into Piratey wargames...

Oh and as for your analogy; if I'd lived in the '20s, then yeah, I'd probably have bought a Model-T rather than any other car

I don't think you can call the Second World War a 'nerdy sub-genre'...

I addressed FoW earlier

Too few players.

If you play game X, it would presumably have another player. That's how games grow. If everyone only played 'popular' games, no game would ever be popular.

I'm suprised their Facebook is still up, they had to close the old GW forums because of the sheer weight of hatred and bile and that was years ago when they were by comparison paragons of virtue......

Balance wrote:If you play game X, it would presumably have another player. That's how games grow. If everyone only played 'popular' games, no game would ever be popular.

Damn you and your logic!

Wow do you know those two, Kilkrazy? Or be able to get there numbers for, just so we know who it is that we have participating in this discussion?

Point taken, in a way. The car (or car company) over there always seems better then the car your stood next to.

Once heard something about the grass being greener metaphor or something.

My point and I think the point of many forum posters here is that sometimes that is true, and a price rise always makes that grass look that bit more green.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Balance wrote:If you play game X, it would presumably have another player. That's how games grow. If everyone only played 'popular' games, no game would ever be popular.

Damn you and your logic!

hmmm....

Where do I get those miniatures from? NICE PICTURE, by the way.


No Gordon Gekko, but its a nice pair of bookends.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:I wish people would just leave them alone.... If anything, you don't want a company to hate its customers...

I'm sorry, sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet. I got a laugh out of this one though, thanks.

Henners91 wrote:

bolo wrote:

Henners91 wrote:In my opinion, Warmachine is ugly.

Fixed that for you.

vs

Naw dawg, it's fact.

Ya know, having been a GW player for a long time...I think you chose poor model choices for this argument: that PP model looks SO much better than a crappy space wolf terminator (My personal opinion that Space Wolves look like Gak). Can't stress enough that this is my opinion. I supported GW in the past, but I think that specific PP model looks a lot better than that GW model.

Henners91 wrote:

Naw dawg, it's fact.

Dont bet the farm there.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490016a&prodId=prod1560097

carmachu wrote:

Henners91 wrote:

Naw dawg, it's fact.

Dont bet the farm there.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490016a&prodId=prod1560097

Every time somebody shows that model, I throw up a little bit inside...

This is all getting rather off topic, however...

If you are going to compare and criticise sculptural works, you need to establish some frame of reference.

For example, the Orc Cheerleader is clearly a comedic piece which fits well with the Blood Bowl aesthetic and concept. It looks like a mediaeval Orc dressed as a Cheerleader. It is correct in its anatomical proportions. The casting is detailed and crisp. There is nothing objectively wrong with it as a piece of art.

Naturally you can like or dislike it, however there are clearly objective criteria by which its value can be judged.

Might as well actually compare studio photo to studio photo, don't you think?

Laughing Man wrote:Might as well actually compare studio photo to studio photo, don't you think?

Precisely what I was thinking. PP stuff really isn't that bad looking on the whole. There are crap models in their ranges, for sure, but there are those in GWs ranges also. And think about it, GW has been around a LOT longer and if you looked at GWs first stuff, it was FAR BELOW the quality of PP's first stuff. Keep this in mind. PP will only get better in time.

Right, but I don't want to wait 10 years for PP to match GW's current quality and flexibility. Heck, PP has already matched GW's prices, for predominantly uniform metal models compared to flexible plastics with interchangeable bits.