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It's better if the Starter set is an actual starter set, as in, you get a moderate sized army, with a rule-book, codex (lol, unlikely but hey) and all the equipment you need. The current one is great don't get me wrong, but it isn't a true starter set.

Wouldn't it make more sense just to use the battleforce boxes as the starters? Or maybe they are being referred to as the starter box set.

Maybe what's inside them with some additions. For example, Dark Eldar, take away the Reavers, add in an Archon, some terrain, a min-rule book, a mini-codex, some Dice, templates etc.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense just to use the battleforce boxes as the starters? Or maybe they are being referred to as the starter box set.

Unfortunately a lot of the battleforces don't make a good starting army. They are usually missing a HQ choice of some sort.

cheapbuster wrote:I think the...nah it all BS

QFT

mmm, Mantic announces a new sci-fi game, PP announces a new sci-fi game...

then a wish-list for 6th ed 40k appears?

Maybe GW do know the internet exists after all and want to get people talking about them instead of the competition...

[/cynicism]

Oh if only that were true. GW has no idea how much more money they could make with a clever business strategy, and not their current hamfisted attempt to impress their share-holders.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:mmm, Mantic announces a new sci-fi game, PP announces a new sci-fi game...

then a wish-list for 6th ed 40k appears?

Maybe GW do know the internet exists after all and want to get people talking about them instead of the competition...

[/cynicism]

Well, whoever else is out there certainly knows that the 25th anniversary of 40K is coming. Cynical people might even think others launch new sci-fi games in the near future not least to leech of all the nerd-ragers, discontents and refusing-to-update-people that any change in a game as big 40K inevitably will produce.. cause.. hey.. you can never please everyone.

Is it? Maybe GW will be reborn like a majestic grimdark butterfly! Complete with specialist games!

---->Blood of Kittins is a TROLL!!!!

he wrights contradictin stuff
every week its a diffrent codex comming next

he just speculates about rules and releases and calls it rumors......becaus he makes money of klicks


here is why this can´t be true...
if they would put anything but the patent Ultras in the starter box it would be bad for sales... also marines vs evil marines is just boaring from a appealing to new cutomers faktor.
Also why would they dramaticlly change the game if sales are good?


I can tell you some rumors too... oneday (very soon ) there will be a 6th ED and after that a 7th ED and the rules will be a lil diffrent every time. And also every single codex will be rereleased with diffrent rules wich are ofc better. The order will most likelly be starting with the oldest and/or most populare codexes. New kits wil come out with super rules and the older units wil be nerfed a bit so you eiter have to buy more or they become useless so you have to buy diffrent stuff.
This trend will go on till 2025

Then GW will close down becaus the prices will have trippeled till then makeing a 10 SM cost 100,-€.
And no one wil be abe to afford a standart 10k army of toysoldier anymore :(

No more talking from you please :(

ThirdUltra wrote:In 2nd edition, you declared charges first (if you were in range, you charged/moved the models to contact), then it was movement, then shooting and psychic phase was last.
The psychic phase revolved around dueling with psychic power cards; force weapons could store these cards for bonuses in close-combat or for later use.
The powers such as Ultimate Force and Energy Drain were the cards to have in your hand during the psychic phase.

I still have the 2nd edition rulebooks from Dark Millenium.

Maybe you're mixing Warhammer Fantasy with 2nd edition...?

However, it still is a lean towards 2nd edition if assaults were the first phase and like you mentioned above, it may be an issue where you cannot shoot what you're about to assault first.

Did you bother to read past the post you quoted? If you look a few posts afterwards you will see I corrected it, Rally phase was last, not Psychic I to have all my 2nd ed books (even some rogue trader ones), I am fully aware of how the psychic phase worked, it was a game within a game, it was actually very similar to how magic was done in 4th and 5th ed, only difference was I lost D6 thousand sons when someone played eneregy drain (back when they weapon options), as far as I remember their was one dueling card (I forget the name), power cards could be used for bonus strength I believe, was someting like +3 strength.

H.B.M.C. wrote:So let's take that wonderful idea that has been developed so well through two editions of Fantasy and two editions of 40K and totally fething ruin it by making two different boxes with only one army in each, essentially putting up yet another barrier for entry into the game (and that's not accounting for how much these damned things are probably going to cost).

Run by fething monkeys...

I actually think its a good idea, no more do you have to buy a crap load of models you don't want, you can just go buy a starter set with only models you want to use, bloody brillant idea, I would actually be tempted by a chaos one (I believe one of the rumour mongers on warseer said black legion is bull), I don't know if I agree that it puts up a barrier, the whole idea is you go to GW for everything you need (including a game) so buy doing this they give a single person everything he needs to start and then he can just take it into GW, play some people and hopefully meet like minded people. Still the price tag combined with whats in the box will help me decide if its a total rip off, if its just the marine part of AOBR but with a £50 price tag then I think I might join you (and its kinda what I expect), its its say £40 and with more models for the chosen army (maybe a legal army!) then I think most people will see it as a reasonable entry to the hobby (just a shame about the rest of it :( )

RetributionAngel wrote:
also marines vs evil marines is just boaring from a appealing to new cutomers faktor.

Says who? Ever-whining Xenos-players? Background aide, 3+ is a fairly good "standard" for the game. Stuff like Eldar, Orks or Nids aint exactly "new cutomers" friendly, because you quickly (and quite boringly) remove buckets of minis from the table before getting to "play" with them properly. Especially if you are new. Also, Marines are cool.

RetributionAngel wrote:
Also why would they dramaticlly change the game if sales are good?

GW sales are declining, even though rising margins keep the profit. Also, 2012 is the 25th anniversary of 40k!!!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:
So let's take that wonderful idea that has been developed so well through two editions of Fantasy and two editions of 40K and totally fething ruin it by making two different boxes with only one army in each, essentially putting up yet another barrier for entry into the game (and that's not accounting for how much these damned things are probably going to cost).

Run by fething monkeys...

While I agree in theory I disagree based upon GW's practices with WFB. They may as well have released 2 different starter sets and that would have been very helpful imo due to their awful decision making. Skaven got an AMAZING starter set with almost everything being useful or usable where as Highelves got crushed with diminishing returns by including garbage like ellyrian reavers and the dumb griffon

If GW actually would sit down and consider what they're putting into starter sets then I agree that there needs to be only 1 but wFB was so lopsided in usefulness

Kirasu wrote:While I agree in theory I disagree based upon GW's practices with WFB. They may as well have released 2 different starter sets and that would have been very helpful imo due to their awful decision making. Skaven got an AMAZING starter set with almost everything being useful or usable where as Highelves got crushed with diminishing returns by including garbage like ellyrian reavers and the dumb griffon

If GW actually would sit down and consider what they're putting into starter sets then I agree that there needs to be only 1 but wFB was so lopsided in usefulness

Is it? I freely admit to not having the slightest clue about Fantasy. But looking at the box, the High Elf contents certainly look tempting. Horsies, a flying monster, a bit of infantry. Lots of sexy, unique and different stuff to start playing around with. By contrast, the Skaven contents looks like... well... alot of rats. Yawhn.

BrassScorpion wrote:For those yung 'uns who don't know about this, 40K had shooting modifiers years ago and GW did away with them starting with 3rd Edition (1998) to simplify the game and make it play faster, which it did. Games of thousands of points play hours faster now than they did with half as many points under 2nd Ed. rules. Now that people play with larger armies than ever compared to years ago it would make no sense to introduce something new or re-introduce something old to the game that would significantly slow it down.

It wasn't the shooting modifiers that slowed down 2nd Ed. It was the close combat phase that took for-fething-ever, and the Psychic phase. Without a psychic phase, and with close combat as it stands now, 40K would still be a fast paced game even with shooting modifiers.

The problem with IoB is that it has too many exclusive models. As stupid as that may sound, it doesn't exactly promote the main-line boxes all that well.

My bs detector is at DefCon 5.

kronk wrote:My bs detector is at DefCon 5.

So really, really, low then? As in, not even registering on the detector?

So you believe all the stuff?

This stuff broke my BS detector.

kronk wrote:This stuff broke my BS detector.

How about a nice game of chess?

I find it pretty funny how people get so worked up over rumors that the rumor mongers themselves have confirmed with the cavet that book is still being tested. I guess people really fear big changes

The sad part is I actually really like these fake rumors :( just like how I really liked the totally fake BA book with the techmarine ogryns!

A shift to highlight chaos? As much as I'd like that, I don't think I'd like that. Sounds fantastic otherwise. I will eagerly await further information.

Kirasu wrote:The sad part is I actually really like these fake rumors :( just like how I really liked the totally fake BA book with the techmarine ogryns!

Same here... and all the grognards in my town who ragequit years ago say they would come back if these rumours were true.

Samus_aran115 wrote:As much as I'd like that, I don't think I'd like that.

Zweischneid wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:As much as I'd like that, I don't think I'd like that.

I should probably explain

As a chaos player, I would absolutely love an update, and a focus in the general 'plot' of 40k. However, I probably wouldn't like every kid on the block picking up chaos! If chaos becomes the new "grey knights", then I probably wouldn't want to play them anymore, you know?

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm going to eschew any wailing and gnashing of teeth for two important reasons.

1) The book is over one year away.
2) All of these rumors are lies. Deliberate, calculated and completely untrue. If, in 2012 a new edition of 40k comes out that's actually in any way reminiscent of the stuff being peddled in this thread, beyond the level of coincidence, I will send, at my own expense, a...

*rummages in the bitz box*

... an armless Terminator Librarian to the first person who holds me to my promise.

Why do you think these are lies? Ghost21, whom most consider to be fairly reputable, is backing them up. And the changes aren't THAT crazy, just more streamlined with fantasy. And fantasy got a pretty good sized overhaul from 7th to 8th, making huge changes to the game, making VERY strong armies in 7th kind of weak in 8th (VC and Daemons) and making weak armies strong in 8th (Empire, Chaos Warrior infantry). Let's face it, GW is not above shaking things up and these sound a lot like the changes that were made to fantasy. It's as equally possible that you're looking at the real deal as it is that they are fake.

This seems like a really drastic shift, but it would be interesting to me if 40k started to pick up some more of the detail and variety of some of the other good sci-fi skirmish games, not to mention the plethora of historic rule sets out there. These rumors seem like a bit too much of a reboot for them, but hey, if they do make some big changes, good on them. I might come back for that after having a fling with Warmahordes and possibly Infinity for a bit.