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Breotan wrote:

kronk wrote:This stuff broke my BS detector.

How about a nice game of chess?

I hear there is a new edition of Chess coming along too.

*Pawns will no longer be the compulsory troops choice.
*Kings will have acces to a wider array of wargear.
*The King's range is increased.
*White will no longer go first. Instead there will be a bidding system implemented using strategy points. Leftover points can be used to rearrange your army's deplyment.
*Knights now have outflanking; they can wrap around the left and right board edges.
*Bishops generate faith points.

I have questions about the validity of these too.

However, two starter sets is a very "GW" idea. Because you know they'll do everything they can to make them both attractive and try to get people buying *both* where they would have bought one. If this isn't true, I expect GW to steal the idea immediately, lol.

A lot of little things also seem to come together once you think them through. ICs getting better/more prominent does jibe with the increased points costs ICs have seen. I'm going to assume that the departed designer in question is Priestley. And LotR guys correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't his LotR system more "strategy before chance"?

As an old fart, a lot of this sounds like it's the game that 2nd ed should have eventually evolved into. Could very well all be a hoax. But if so it's a pretty decent one, at least.

A shift to highlight Chaos?... can see a bit of truth in that.. after all doesn't 5th ed book (and an article around 5th's release in WD) talk about things changing in the future? That was my intiial thought anyway, reading further on I'm rather sceptical. It sounds like a different game pretty much by the end of that 'rumour'. If it is true that will complicate things no end and I for one will stay playing 5th.

Scary thing is, wouldn't put a lot of that past GW! (Except the BS change - that's just silly!)

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but:

What is the ETA on 6th edition?

It could always be something like, the Chaos side being a bunch of Chaos Cultists / Heretics with some daemons.

There's always the potential for Cypher fun too.

One change I did hear about to transports, was units are automatically pinned exiting a destroyed transport. Oh, and obviously, premeasuring.

I do think the changes are going to be somewhere in the middle between what's posted and the game as now.

Eg, lets say, instead of

- similar ballistic to hit chart as wound chart: compare BS to target’s speed and unit type. BS 3 hits moving infantry on 4+, but lightning fast jetbikes on 6+ and stationary tank on 2+… HUGE

It'll be, Vehicles and Monsters +1 to hit. Fast units / jetbikes, -2. Which, sounds like something which could be misinterpreted into the above.

I mean, really, Battlefleet Gothic is fun and all, but who'd want to go through something like that chart with every single unit in a typical 40k game.


I take it the 5 general types of psychic powers more refers to classing things as. 'Unit buff,' 'Unit debuff,' 'Psychic Shooting Attack' and the like, some people in the thread were assuming there'd only be 5 powers in the game....

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

I take it the 5 general types of psychic powers more refers to classing things as. 'Unit buff,' 'Unit debuff,' 'Psychic Shooting Attack' and the like, some people in the thread were assuming there'd only be 5 powers in the game....

You mean Magic Missile, direct damage, hex, augment and magical vortex? Thats 5! I wonder where they came from?!

covenant84 wrote:A shift to highlight Chaos?... can see a bit of truth in that.. after all doesn't 5th ed book (and an article around 5th's release in WD) talk about things changing in the future? That was my intiial thought anyway, reading further on I'm rather sceptical. It sounds like a different game pretty much by the end of that 'rumour'. If it is true that will complicate things no end and I for one will stay playing 5th.

The rumor in question is:

* strong narrative focus on Chaos, perspective shifting from the Empire to the struggle between free races and the Warp
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The way I interpreted it was the idea that the game will be focused more on 'Good vs. Evil' as opposed to 'Imperium vs. Everyone' with Chaos as the primary evil. So don't expect nearly as much Space marine vs. Tau, etc. The main thing is what this would do with the other 'evil' factions like Orks and Necrons and such.... At best they'll still be around, jsut not as much of a focus. Orks could be considered to be very chaotic even if not part of big-C Chaos, I guess...

I'd just guess that any fights between 'good' forces will be considered akin to a 'blue on blue' battle and avoided in background.

Color me skeptical.


However, assuming that these rumors are true, they have the Assault phase before the Shooting phase.

So where does that leave Assault weapons, which currently have the ability to shoot and assault in the same turn?

Eumerin wrote:However, assuming that these rumors are true, they have the Assault phase before the Shooting phase.

So where does that leave Assault weapons, which currently have the ability to shoot and assault in the same turn?

Well if it is true, the mechanic for ranged weapon types could just as easily operate that you can't fire a rapid fire or heavy weapon and then assault the following turn.

The big question I see is: Will they advance the storyline?

let's just hope they don't ruin 40k like they did with fantasy. the models keep getting better (despite the price increases) but if the game is no fun to play more than once, why buy buckets of models? I already have tons of models.

Nope. It's not so much a storyline, as a background. Can't muck about it with too much.

Looking at the rumours again, I'm not certain that if it was to be proved accurate, I'd be that distraught over these changes.

I can see quite a few positives in all when I think about it. Of course its hard to make any real judgement when its just as likely they are fake, than true.

Yea no question a lot of the changes seem like good ideas.

I'm a big fan of normal cover becoming only a 5+. Likewise I'd love to see the return of a Chaos Legions book. Those types of things seem likely.

All in all though, it's too far out to take this with anything but salt and for use as some interesting conversation pieces.

Will this focus on chaos mean that my Ultramarines will be considered cool again? That's all I wanna know.

Quote: "strong narrative focus on Chaos, perspective shifting from the Empire to the struggle between free races and the Warp"

Sounds like fantasy not 40K. A lot of the rule updates also sound like WFB rules. This is rubbish IMO

Regarding the narrative focus, every time there's been pre-edition rumors of background shifts, the end result has been only incremental changes. I wouldn't expect anything dramatic in 6th.

The squad leader stuff is interesting. If this stuff is true, it probably makes sense to start stocking up on snipers.

Even though I don't play them, I like the idea that Legions will be the first big release. That is, if only because I've been saying CSMs have to be a tentpole release for the new edition. Sure would be nice to see the Renegades WD revision pick up some LatD-type units. I'm just saying...

I hope this is a Troll

Any of this happens, I will eat gorgon. You have my word.

if this happens my army will be completely useless, which is a big change so It will not happen. LOL

itsonlyme wrote:
Did you bother to read past the post you quoted? If you look a few posts afterwards you will see I corrected it, Rally phase was last, not Psychic I to have all my 2nd ed books (even some rogue trader ones), I am fully aware of how the psychic phase worked, it was a game within a game, it was actually very similar to how magic was done in 4th and 5th ed, only difference was I lost D6 thousand sons when someone played eneregy drain (back when they weapon options), as far as I remember their was one dueling card (I forget the name), power cards could be used for bonus strength I believe, was someting like +3 strength.

I apologize for not seeing your post afterwards as when I responded to your intial post it took me to the end of the thread, and then i just picked up from there.

I believe the card was Mind War which allowed you to duel an opposing psycher. The Eldar power Executioner allowed you to duel in close-combat, which was kind of similar but on a physical level, but you were in a astral-state that if you lost nothing happened.

My point originally, was that assaults before shooting was or seems like a 2nd edition mechanic, where that was the norm.
I know there were other phases in-between, but I was focusing on the order between assaults and shooting phases.

Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding...

The movement based shooting modifiers bring up the question... Will troops now (read AGAIN) have a Move stat?

I'm pretty skeptical about this rumor. It's likely more of a list of things that were considered than things that made it into the final version.

I'm taking this with a huge grain of salt.

RetributionAngel wrote:here is why this can´t be true...
if they would put anything but the patent Ultras in the starter box it would be bad for sales...

It didn't seem to do any harm to 3rd edition. Or 2nd edition.

also marines vs evil marines is just boaring from a appealing to new cutomers faktor.

Given that Marines are the biggest draw-card the game has, I would think the exact opposite would be true.

Marines are only boring to the veterans, who are used to seeing Marine armies everywhere.

Also why would they dramaticlly change the game if sales are good?

Are they?

And can they not be better?


It's worth noting that when 5th edition was released, there was still not a lot of serious competition for GW. That's rapidly changing. If these rumours are based in any sort of actual reality, maybe it's a sign that they've finally noticed that there are other companies out there making games, and that they need to lift their game if they want to stay on top of the heap?

Probably not, but a guy can dream, right?

morgendonner wrote:

Eumerin wrote:However, assuming that these rumors are true, they have the Assault phase before the Shooting phase.

So where does that leave Assault weapons, which currently have the ability to shoot and assault in the same turn?

Well if it is true, the mechanic for ranged weapon types could just as easily operate that you can't fire a rapid fire or heavy weapon and then assault the following turn.

That would require you to track the actions of a team from a previous turn. GW tends to avoid that sort of mechanic as too cumbersome and/or requiring too much book-keeping.

insaniak wrote:Probably not, but a guy can dream, right?

Two of us can at least.

Interesting to say the least, look forward to hearing more details.

Zweischneid wrote:

GW sales are declining, even though rising margins keep the profit. Also, 2012 is the 25th anniversary of 40k!!!!!

Okay, hold up a second.

2012. As in, End of the World 2012. Is a major Anniversary of 40k?

Oh god, it's Tinyhammer. That's how the world's going to end. In 2012, all the miniatures in the world are going to come alive. That's not so bad for things like PP's line, or most miniatures model lines, since they're generally just regular people in extreme situations. But one of, if not the biggest minis line out there is 40K, and it's filled with the most fethed up gak you've ever seen, things that would be dangerous no matter how small they are.

The people of Games Workshop have desperately been trying to decrease sales through bad marketing, lack of support, and terrible rules upheavals, while at the same time trying to promote, of any of the races, the ones that are at least human, without getting sacked and replaced by the shareholders.

GW is trying to save the world. Whoa.

itsonlyme wrote:If these rumours are even half true I think this would be the first time since 2nd ed i was excited about buying a 40k rule set

aye.