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2011/08/21 01:16:22
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
I think I'm going to bed. But I'll be thinking of you Shotty.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
2011/08/21 01:16:47
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
Da Boss wrote:
I'm intruiged by the examples of "genetic evidence". What is this, exactly? Honestly, show us a link or even a search term, I'll look it up myself. (This is not me saying "AHAH, WEAKPOINT" but genuine curiousity).
Had to make me get out the notes... might take a while, I take all my notes in analog
SEXUAL ORIENTATION
Measures of Sexual Orientation:
*sexual orientation identity
*behaviour
*genital arousal
*brain activity
Sexual fantasies/attractions are considered to be the best criteria for measuring sexual orientation (since someone's identity may not always coincide with their actual orientation, but is only a factor of it)
Measuring sexual orientation:
*Kinsey scale
Most people are exclusively heterosexual (Kinsey 0)
1-3% of men are exclusively homosexual (Kinsey 6)
<1% of women are exclusively homosexual (kinsey 6)
Bisexuality -rare in men
-more common in women
Stability of sexual orientation:
*generally speaking, men's sexual orientation seems to be more stable than women's
*research suggests that non-heterosexual women exhibit more sexual fluidity than men
(skipping segment on homosexuality in various cultures)
WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE HOMOSEXUAL *molecular genetic research has not consistently identified a specific gene(s) for homosexuality
*behavioural genetics research indicates that there is a genetic component to male homosexuality
Sibling studies and male homosexuality *men who have gay brothers are 5 times more likely to be gay
*male homosexuality clusters within families
Genes and Male Homosexuality Twin studies concordance rates:
*male homosexuality:
--> monozygotic twins - 37.5%
--> dizygotic twins - 6.3%
Twin studies Monozygotic twins reared apart show that the above concordance rates remain.
Androphilic (attracted to men) men reproduce less than gynophilic (attracted to women) men. Male-male sexual activity has been recorded for thousands of years.
--->Why don't genes associated with male androphilia go extinct?
Sexual Antagonistic Gene Hypothesis: Genes that promote sexual attraction to males have reproductive costs in males, but reproductive benefits in their female relatives
--->research conducted in Italy+Samoa indicates that the female kin of male androphiles are more fecund (fertile) than those of male gynophiles.
Kin Selection Hypothesis: male homosexuals can help their kin survive and reproduce, thereby helping to pass on genes that they share with close kin to the next generation.
(see uncle like behaviour)
--->notable example in Samoan Fafafine, who exhibit elevated avuncular tendencies compared to (straight) men and women
The Prenatal Hormone Hypothesis of Sexual Orientation *prenatally, androgen levels in fetuses are variable, range in variability creates a threshold that determines whether they are androphilic or gynophilic
*experimentally manipulating testosterone levels prenatally in animal models results in sex-atypical brain development and sex-atypical sexual partner preference in adulthood.
Sexual orientation is not an isolated trait Gay men and lesbians are gender-atypical for various behavioural, cognitive, personality, physiological and morphological traits (this is what we would predict based on the prenatal hormone hypothesis).
Childhood behaviour *childhood gender-atypicality in boys highly predictive of adult homosexuality
Adult behaviour *sex difference in gait (swagger vs sway/sashay) - gay men and women are gender-atypical in terms of their gait
*cognition
-sex differences in targetting accuracy (hetero men > hetero women)
*increased testosterone exposure = increased targetting accuracy
*gay men and women are sex-atypical for this traight
Body morphology *long bones
*increased prenatal Testosterone = increased length of long bones
(hetero men > hetero women)
(lesbians > hetero women)
(gay men < hetero men)
Physiology *Otoacoustic emissions: weak sounds produced by the cochlea (inner ear)
*OAE in hetero women > hetero men
*increase in testosterone exposure = decrease in OAE strength
*OAE in lesbians < hetero women
*Amgydala: clusters of nuclei in the left and right temporal lobes involved in regulating emotion, sexuality, and social information
*in hetero men, right amgydala more richly connected with other parts of the brain than the left.
*hetero women exhibit the opposite pattern
*sex differences in the main functional connections to other parts of the brain
*the amgydalas of homosexual men+women is sex-atypical
*Frateral Birth Order (older brother) effect
*the number of older biological brothers increases the chances of male androphilia in later born male siblings
*for every older brother the odds that a male will be androphilic increases by 33%
*older adopted brothers have no influence on the sexual orientation of younger brothers, the effect is biological, not social
Maternal Immune Hypothesis Mothers develop antibodies to male specific H-Y (minor-histocombatibility) antigens which are coded for by the Y chromosome
*with each successive male fetus she produces, the mother's body becomes increasingly sensative to the presence of H-Y antigens, producing more and more antibodies
*H-Y antigens are thought to be involved in sexual differentiation of male fetuses
*increased amounts of maternal antibodies compromise the ability of the H-Y antigens to function, which, in turn, compromises sexual differentiation and increases the probability that the male will be homosexual
*latter born homosexual men, on average, have a lower birth-weight than latter born heterosexual men, suggesting that their prenatal development of the former may have been compromised
*There is no scientific evidence to suggest that sexual orientation can be changed through intervention programs
2011/08/21 01:16:56
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2011/08/21 01:17:11
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
I used to be homophobic but then I went through American High school and had to get comfortable with other guys seeing my body and junk in the locker room...
Does that make me gay? No. Just like being uncomfortable if a guy hits on me does not make me homophobic...
BTW Shotty:
2011/08/21 01:19:22
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
o0shotty0o wrote:being against gays is not being racist
Right, it's homophobic, pretty much equal to being racist, and you should be ashamed of yourself if either is truthfully applied to you
Its called being normal , homophobic is a made up word that the gays created.
Actually it's a latin word. "Homo" roughly translates to "man" or "same", but in this case refers to the latter definition. Thus the existence of words like like homogeneous (of the same kind, such as with chemical solutions and mixtures) and homosexual (sexually attracted to the same gender). Phobic is a variant of phobia, and roughly means "fear/hatred of", such as the common Acrophobia, fear of heights (a person who is afraid of heights is acrophobic). For a long while, I suffered from Apiphobia (fear/hatred of bees), myself, though for the most part I've gotten over it.
Thus, homophobic essentially translates to "fear/hatred of homosexuals." It is most assuredly in line with other latin terms referring to fear.
Now, your shameful homophobia aside, "normal" sexuality unhindered by societal norms (IE, what is truly natural) is probably some form of bisexuality. Indeed, because of the male-centric nature of most cultures, homosexuality between men was almost expected behind closed doors, as that was the only way for many nobles to be in a relationship with someone that was socially equal to themselves. Sure, they were expected to impregnate their wife regardless, so they probably would be referred to as bisexual rather than homosexual, but still. It's really only quite recently in human history that homosexuals have truly been condemned, and that's mostly because of the uprising of evangelism in Christianity and Islam.
And just because someone isn't "normal" doesn't mean they should be ashamed. You're not normal, you play 40k.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2011/08/21 01:19:50
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
Da Boss wrote:
I'm intruiged by the examples of "genetic evidence". What is this, exactly? Honestly, show us a link or even a search term, I'll look it up myself. (This is not me saying "AHAH, WEAKPOINT" but genuine curiousity).
Had to make me get out the notes... might take a while, I take all my notes in analog
Awww jeez, sorry Fafnir, I thought your genetic evidence was about "life" not beginning at conception.
D'oh! Communication mix up.
That's a decent collection of information on genetic homosexuality though. Thank you.
o0shotty0o wrote:being against gays is not being racist
Right, it's homophobic, pretty much equal to being racist, and you should be ashamed of yourself if either is truthfully applied to you
Its called being normal , homophobic is a made up word that the gays created.
Actually it's a latin word. "Homo" roughly translates to "man" or "same", but in this case refers to the latter definition. Thus the existence of words like like homogeneous (of the same kind, such as with chemical solutions and mixtures) and homosexual (sexually attracted to the same gender). Phobic is a variant of phobia, and roughly means "fear/hatred of", such as the common Acrophobia, fear of heights (a person who is afraid of heights is acrophobic). For a long while, I suffered from Apiphobia (fear/hatred of bees), myself, though for the most part I've gotten over it.
Thus, homophobic essentially translates to "fear/hatred of homosexuals." It is most assuredly in line with other latin terms referring to fear.
Now, your shameful homophobia aside, "normal" sexuality unhindered by societal norms (IE, what is truly natural) is probably some form of bisexuality. Indeed, because of the male-centric nature of most cultures, homosexuality between men was almost expected behind closed doors, as that was the only way for many nobles to be in a relationship with someone that was socially equal to themselves. Sure, they were expected to impregnate their wife regardless, so they probably would be referred to as bisexual rather than homosexual, but still.
And just because someone isn't "normal" doesn't mean they should be ashamed. You're not normal, you play 40k.
Careful Melissa ...that may perhaps be more information than he's capable of processing...
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2011/08/21 01:22:12
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
As for my stance on gay marriage, I think this explains it:
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2011/08/21 01:24:51
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
We need to get into Gun Control to make this a proppa thread.
I think all citizens should have to PROVE their suitability to have a weapon, rather than the state needing a reason to ask them to prove it!
YEAH!
SUCK ON THAT YOU DAMN GUN NUTS! (I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
o0shotty0o wrote:Wow there are alot of ignorent people on this forum. And im not one of them.
Pffftt.... ba ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
It's OK. I only hope one day you'll be comfortable enough with yourself to embrace your true nature and find the man of your dreams.
....OK, that was a low blow, even for me.
A low blow ? ...what blow ? you mean implying that im gay ? i remember doing that when i was in primery school.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. It's a low blow.
You cannot refute the logic:
You choose to be straight. This means you choose not to be gay. This means being straight is not part of your nature, or else it wouldn't be a choice. At best it means your argument is wrong, at worst it means that you are attracted to men and choose to ignore it, instead acting upon your attraction to women. It could also mean you are not attracted to anyone but force yourself to be attracted to women because that's what society tells you to do.
So no, I take it back. You aren't necessarily gay. By your own logic, though, there's a good chance you are bisexual or asexual.
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2011/08/21 01:26:06
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
Da Boss wrote:We need to get into Gun Control to make this a proppa thread.
I think all citizens should have to PROVE their suitability to have a weapon, rather than the state needing a reason to ask them to prove it!
YEAH!
SUCK ON THAT YOU DAMN GUN NUTS! (I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
Is the gun closet roomier than the gay closet?
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
2011/08/21 01:26:18
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
Da Boss wrote:We need to get into Gun Control to make this a proppa thread.
I think all citizens should have to PROVE their suitability to have a weapon, rather than the state needing a reason to ask them to prove it!
YEAH!
SUCK ON THAT YOU DAMN GUN NUTS! (I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
Is the gun closet roomier than the gay closet?
The gun closet is the perfect place to blame the victim.
Poor gun closet. :(
2011/08/21 01:27:05
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
Da Boss wrote:We need to get into Gun Control to make this a proppa thread.
I think all citizens should have to PROVE their suitability to have a weapon, rather than the state needing a reason to ask them to prove it!
YEAH!
SUCK ON THAT YOU DAMN GUN NUTS! (I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
Noooooo.... I need to get away from the computer, or play Space Marines, or something besides hit refresh and read this thread and it's hilarity.
Da Boss wrote:We need to get into Gun Control to make this a proppa thread.
I think all citizens should have to PROVE their suitability to have a weapon, rather than the state needing a reason to ask them to prove it!
YEAH!
SUCK ON THAT YOU DAMN GUN NUTS! (I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
Is the gun closet roomier than the gay closet?
Not if you have the proper amount of guns in it.
Iron Warriors 442nd Grand Battalion: 10k points
2011/08/21 01:27:47
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
Da Boss wrote:We need to get into Gun Control to make this a proppa thread.
I think all citizens should have to PROVE their suitability to have a weapon, rather than the state needing a reason to ask them to prove it!
YEAH!
SUCK ON THAT YOU DAMN GUN NUTS! (I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
Is the gun closet roomier than the gay closet?
Not if you have the proper amount of guns in it.
Ahh of course...
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
2011/08/21 01:27:48
Subject: Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
Da Boss wrote:We need to get into Gun Control to make this a proppa thread.
I think all citizens should have to PROVE their suitability to have a weapon, rather than the state needing a reason to ask them to prove it!
YEAH!
SUCK ON THAT YOU DAMN GUN NUTS! (I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
Is the gun closet roomier than the gay closet?
Roomier, but equally full of long hard cylinders.
Man, this isn't so much fun ever since the Commisar left and Shotty was left to defend his point of view on his own.
I feel like I should re-assert my homophobia to even things up.
Da Boss wrote:(I sleep with 4 boxes of ammo beside my bed. I too am in the closet. The gun closet.)
lol...
If I had money, I'd get a gun myself. I was eying a Colt 1991 for a while. No, no 1911, the new version which has a few improved parts. Sure, it's not a custom gun, but it's cheap and it's reliable.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2011/08/21 01:27:56
Subject: Re:Seven Ways Rick Perry Hates the USA and Democracy
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD 
3000
1500
