Lord_Mortis wrote:I run Astaroth and an all Death Company army. I have a DC squad led by Astaroth in a Stormraven along with a DC Dread with Bloodfists, another DC squad led by Lemartes and a DC Dread with Blood Talons in another Stormraven, and 2 Rhinos with identical DC squads. On my army list sheet I have these clearly identified as to what is riding in what, what they are equipped with, etc.
When I am playing and I am deploying the transports, I will say "This rhino has a DC squad in it, this Rhino also has a DC squad in it, this Stormraven has a DC squad led by Astaroth and also a DC Dread, and this Stormraven has a DC squad led by Lemartes and also a DC Dread." When rolling for reserves, I will say something like "Rolling for Astaroth's squad, rolling for Lemartes' squad, etc." I don't go into what all the models are equipped with or how many models are in the transport, as I have satisfied the RAW by identifying what squads are in what transport.
If I only said "This Stormraven has a DC squad in it." and didn't mention that it was led by Astaroth or Lemartes and that there was also a DC Dread on board, then I haven't satisfied RAW. Why? Because when I disembark my units from it within assault range of the enemy and my opponent says in horror "Oh, crap! You didn't say that Lemartes was in the squad and that there was a DC Dread in there!" then I have "cheated" because I didn't disclose enough info to satisfy RAW. At the end of the game, if my opponent wants to see my list, then they will see that what is written on paper matches exactly what I played with and that the units I said were in certain transports matched what was listed on my sheet of paper.
Solid method, let's game!
If I ever forget to specify which unit I am rolling for, I ask my opponent if he wants me to re-roll or if he wants to pick the unit.
So if I forget to say,
"Grey Hunter unit with 3 stripes on shoulderpads."
And instead just says something like,
"Grey Hunters in Rhino."
Then I just let him decide if he wants me to re-roll if it was successful or I let him pick which Grey Hunter pack in a Rhino he wants me to bring one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: nkelsch wrote:Tyr Grimtooth wrote: which any TO when actually shown the rule is going to laugh at that response.
Not a single
TO ever run would allow your method of secrecy ever. I would be floored to find a real tourney anywhere who has used this standard in 5th edition. Find a thread on Dakka where the tourney packet allowed it.
You would never be able to do this in competitive play. It doesn't happen. No
TO would 'laugh' at me because you tried to impose some made up standard of 'identify' which is not identified or supported in the rulebook.
If a
TO did want secrecy, he would have to rigidly define a 'house rule' for doing it and define 'identify' so everyone follows the same standard. He may not agree with your standard.
Outside of a tourney, the only valid interpretation of 'identify' is a mutually agreed to standard, just like terrain defining. If there isn't an agreement, the game doesn't exist. No one will ever agree to your house rule and it is never
raw. If you find a like-minded gamer, enjoy your secrecy, the game is not balanced for it. Your definition of 'identify' isn't supported by the rules and I will never agree to it so I will never play a game with your standard.
The funny part is that I have no doubt with you protesting it to a
TO, he would agree with you because I have seen your argument here.
"A Note on Secrecy on page 92 says he has to tell what the squad is equipped with!"
However that is not what the rule says and is not what a
TO in my prescence would be given without me showing the exact wording of the rule, NOT your houserule as quoted above.
Touching on my, "secrecy" playing; I am not holding anything back then you are given the right to know per the rule. The rule tells you to identify which unit is embarked in which transport. I have done exactly that and nothing more.
