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Hey, so I just played a game agaist some orks and my opponnent did not want to tell me what was in his trukks... turns out it was nobz with a pain boyz and a big .... So, can he do that? refuse to tell me what is what and where is what? I know that in tournaments he has to show me his list, but this?? (I showed his The Most Importent rule citing his douchiness, but no luck)

If you asked him what was in the Trukk, he has to tell you. But if you don't ask, he doesn't have to tell you.

I can't speak for the rules (because i can't remember and don't care to actually look)
BUT i've always told people whats in them and they've told me so its either just common courtousy or it is a rule. suffice to say the simplest solution would be to just not play with jerks

That's what I thought...

Yeah, the guy was just being a jerk by not telling you what was in the trukk, and also breaking one of the rules of the game. Unless you both specify you're doing blind transports for the game, that's no good.

Well if he plays that way then yeah he is a douche but honestly you could get away with that with me playing with a Ard' Case battle wagon for this type of play. Considering a Trukk is an 'Open Topped Vehicle' and has all sides exiting access its pretty easy to see everything in a trukk. So He's a fluff douche too. Though if he plays like that then just play the same way. I'd even step it up a notch and go with not showing your list too drive around some Rhino's with surprises and make him unwary about it maybe he will realize whats up but like Joetaco said just don't play jerks. If you have too though then just use there rules against them at best if you can.

Though if you really want the page number its pg. 92 in the rulebook under the header 'Note of Secrecy'

-Sincerely Viri

if you ask he has to tell. before game no, but once deployment has happend yes!

Yeah, on top of that, he did not want to tell me even after I told him what was what. He asked, I aswered and then ask and he did not want to say...

How old was this guy? My suggestion, never play against him again, his variation of fun borders on WAAC.

He was 25

Wow 25 and playing like some little twerp. I woudn't even bother playing this guy ever again if it can be helped.

Outside of tournaments you are not forced to play against douches.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/280663.page


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Moved.

I mean other than a Viable army list which in friendly games is not even "manditory" as long as you follow the FoC

IIRC nothing states you must say ( my Nobz are here)

That said though, asking and him not telling makes him a poor poor player

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:IIRC nothing states you must say ( my Nobz are here)

Page 92: A Note on Secrecy

insaniak wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:IIRC nothing states you must say ( my Nobz are here)

Page 92: A Note on Secrecy

Thanks INSANIAK, you have no idea how long I've actually looked for that...
I keep the BGB under my laptop ^^

Proper response to that is packing up or calling a TO. Unless agreed otherwise, you must tell your opponent who is in which transport. Asking you for your transports and not telling your own... well, screw that guy.

I hope that he at least had a written note of what was in which transport so that there were no switches going on.

(I'm guessing that you took out a bunch of trukks but, somehow, all of the really good units were in the surviving trukks....)

Putting a marker in each trukk that matches the squad but having it face down is an appropriate way to be secret. Once you POP it or he gets out, he shows you and the game moves on. I like having secrecy in my transports but I don't play the hell game.

-cgmckenzie

I always play with clear visible markers of whats in what transport. We had a chob who played like this for awhile before we found that glorious pg92 ruling ( such an obscure place for it). His empty transports were always the last to be destroyed, and many times during games he would get "mixed" up what unit was in which, constant arguments, even going as far as to replace dead units because we couldn't keep track of which disembarked ect.

All i've ever seen embarked unit secrecy used for is a screen to cheat behind.

cgmckenzie wrote:Putting a marker in each trukk that matches the squad but having it face down is an appropriate way to be secret. Once you POP it or he gets out, he shows you and the game moves on. I like having secrecy in my transports but I don't play the hell game.

-cgmckenzie

If these were open top trukks, I can't see any club viewing any sort of secrecy as kosher.

You can use markers, you can use slips of paper, whatever. Doesn't matter in the end, since the rules say that you have to tell your opponent what is in the transport.

Well he does not have to tell you the passengers of his transports.

What he has to do is:

1. Making sure he can not (neither accidentally, nor on purpose) mix up or shift which squad is in which transport.
2. Agreeing with you about how to play the game to make it clear for both of you, so both play the same game.

If he doesnt do one of those thing, he is a slight douche. If he doesnt do both, he is an idiot.

In this case he should be punished with a stinging defeat and a speech about honour afterwards.

Being open topped trukk only means that you could see that there are, in fact, Orks in it. It is going really fast, they are all clamoring about, and the dust/exhaust would make any more detail really hard to get.

Mass of green Orks all look like other masses of green Orks.

-cgmckenzie

Until you use an auspex/Telepaths to decipher what is where and where the guys holding the power claws are.

But I find full disclosure the better way to play.

It makes the game more about tactics and less about trump cards.

-Nazdreg- wrote:Well he does not have to tell you the passengers of his transports.

Uh, no, unless you both agree otherwise he does have to tell you what is in each of his transports. The relevant rules reference has aleady been posted.

Uh, no, unless you both agree otherwise he does have to tell you what is in each of his transports. The relevant rules reference has aleady been posted.

Which is what I covered later in my post. If he wants to keep his passengers in secret, the necessary procedure is:

1. Telling the opponent about his intention
2. Waiting for a positive answer
3. Clarifying which is where in a transparent way

If any of this parts are not properly done, he does not play according to the rules.

Just start rolling 6's against his truks, say you don't have to show him the dice .

This may be a stupid question, but Template weapons vs Open-topped still hit the passengers, right?

helgrenze wrote:This may be a stupid question, but Template weapons vs Open-topped still hit the passengers, right?

No they do not hit the embarked passengers