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Well really, that depends. Just exactly how FAST does the zombie plague spread? Because where there is a military presence, there is also going to be a medical presence, and they are going to be bringing potentially infect people inside the defensive area.

Not to mention, if the zombie plague does spread as fast as most movies/shows, show it to, then Im sorry man, there is just going to be to many zombies. Im not saying the military wont make a dent, but they only have so many bullets. And add in the medical thing I was just talking about, they could very quickly be choked from all sides by zombies.

i'm well aware that pandemics are hard to control, but I can't imagine that military members wouldn't be able to survive better than the average Joe.

being former service myself (granted AF) i still have basic training on survival and weapons. more so than those that didn't.

KingCracker wrote:Well really, that depends. Just exactly how FAST does the zombie plague spread? Because where there is a military presence, there is also going to be a medical presence, and they are going to be bringing potentially infect people inside the defensive area.

Not to mention, if the zombie plague does spread as fast as most movies/shows, show it to, then Im sorry man, there is just going to be to many zombies. Im not saying the military wont make a dent, but they only have so many bullets. And add in the medical thing I was just talking about, they could very quickly be choked from all sides by zombies.

There are more bullets than there are people in this world, trust me on that. Besides that, I will point out the major flaw in the reasoning that the portrayal of military activity in fiction is reasonably accurate to the real world: in fictional settings, zombies don't exist! Yes, its true, they don't exist. I mean BEFORE the zombie outbreak... I.E. everyone is completely clueless to the very concept of a corpse reanimating and spreading an infection... In the REAL world, people have seen enough films, etc. that they would know what was going on pretty quick. Sure there is going to be the "shock period" where the fact that we're dealing with Zombies is too much to handle and people search for alternative explanations, but sooner, rather than later, people will acknowledge the fact that its really happening and handle it the way fiction taught them to handle it. Thus we won't have to deal with the military and public health officials failing to handle the situation in the correct manner, the threat will be very well understood very quickly, we won't have the whole scenario where survivors are rescued and the injured ones are treated as if the bites sustained are a non-threat to public safety.

Theres also the fact that most military vehicles would be inaccessible from the outside by zombies, and troops responding in proper MOPP gear (level 4 i'd say) aren't going to have to worry very much about being bitten through layers of clothing, body armor, and plastic...

not to mention they aren't going to spray and pray for headshots. they get close enough, you let a burst slip. boom-boom-splat.

and fire. i can't stress this enough. FIRE. it KILLS viruses. they would literally just set everything in the area on fire.

trust me, the needs of many outweigh the needs of few by and large. they WILL NOT hesitate to pull the trigger and kill a few thousand potentially innocent people vs several hundred million. I wouldn't, even if it was my own family. we will die together knowing everyone else is safe.

Your correct, there probably is more bullets in the world then people, but they arnt all in the same building that every bit of our military is protecting at one given time, where the zombies just so happen to be attacking. It comes down to weight of numbers with zombies. You figure, a LARGE military group would have what, 10,000 trained personnel at any given place. Ok so lets for the sake of argument, say that its in a decent sized city, this case Detroit. Its population is somewhere north of 900,000 people, and if only HALF of that were to be infect and turn, thats only 450,000 zombies in that city.

Not to mention your failing to realize that with Zombies, the more there is of them, the FASTER the plague spreads. Its a 1+1=2 2+2=4 4+4=8 and so on, in a relatively fast time period. And the thing is, they military isnt going to be involved the moment the first zombie becomes a zombie. They will be notified and put into action once the gak has hit the fan, and by then, there will be 10s of thousands of zombies in any given place on the map. Im not saying the Military will be steam rolled, because the saving grace here is that zombies are mindless, but they are incredibly tough, and super DUPER contagious, and pretty much numberless. So yea, go ahead and rely on the military in this situation, Id rather be held up in my Zday action plan then hope to god they know what the feth they are doing.

Also, they can wear all the top of the line modern gear they want, 1 guy + gear, is steak that was left on the grill too long. Itll be tough to eat, but its getting eaten one way or the other.

LOL, me and me mates talk about this all the time, what weapons we would use, where we would go and such. One of them thinks he is the absolute man at everything Z-Day because he watches lots of zombie movies, like LOTS! But I can see it now, he wont even get one zombie to his name before he gets eaten alive ;D

KingCracker wrote:Your correct, there probably is more bullets in the world then people, but they arnt all in the same building that every bit of our military is protecting at one given time, where the zombies just so happen to be attacking. It comes down to weight of numbers with zombies. You figure, a LARGE military group would have what, 10,000 trained personnel at any given place. Ok so lets for the sake of argument, say that its in a decent sized city, this case Detroit. Its population is somewhere north of 900,000 people, and if only HALF of that were to be infect and turn, thats only 450,000 zombies in that city.

Not to mention your failing to realize that with Zombies, the more there is of them, the FASTER the plague spreads. Its a 1+1=2 2+2=4 4+4=8 and so on, in a relatively fast time period. And the thing is, they military isnt going to be involved the moment the first zombie becomes a zombie. They will be notified and put into action once the gak has hit the fan, and by then, there will be 10s of thousands of zombies in any given place on the map. Im not saying the Military will be steam rolled, because the saving grace here is that zombies are mindless, but they are incredibly tough, and super DUPER contagious, and pretty much numberless. So yea, go ahead and rely on the military in this situation, Id rather be held up in my Zday action plan then hope to god they know what the feth they are doing.

Also, they can wear all the top of the line modern gear they want, 1 guy + gear, is steak that was left on the grill too long. Itll be tough to eat, but its getting eaten one way or the other.

How are zombies super duper contagious? I never understood that actually. Frankly zombies are much less of a threat than something like a super flu. Its not airborn or waterborn. Once the event starts occurring news travels fast. Unless everyone is turned into a zombie in like two days the threat is known and being dealt with. And with these shambling monkey boys its no sweat.

Besides, and here's the kicker. in just about every zombie scenario, the zombies don't just get one bite. They keep eating. So all the zombies that are a threat have to be people that already escaped an attack. Really> The zombies are that successful but have maximum failure to seal the deal munching wise?

Yea, he will be the first one bit, by that infamous ninja zombie

ParatrooperSimon wrote:LOL, me and me mates talk about this all the time, what weapons we would use, where we would go and such. One of them thinks he is the absolute man at everything Z-Day because he watches lots of zombie movies, like LOTS! But I can see it now, he wont even get one zombie to his name before he gets eaten alive ;D

Zombies, werewolves, killer drop bears, it all comes down to blowing their heads off.

Zombies are incredibly contagious because, depending on the type, can infect by bite, and all the way up to bleeding/scratching someone. And again, the numbers play a key roll here. Not to mention, since they are so friggin tough to put down, one will continue to try and bite you until you either turn and successfully run away, or you kill it.

KingCracker wrote:Zombies are incredibly contagious because, depending on the type, can infect by bite, and all the way up to bleeding/scratching someone. And again, the numbers play a key roll here. Not to mention, since they are so friggin tough to put down, one will continue to try and bite you until you either turn and successfully run away, or you kill it.

Why are they tough to put down? They seem down right easy to me.

Not everyone has access to firearms or the training required to be effective with one. Being in Britain I'll be trusting to an axe for breaking skulls. Up close and personal increases the risk of being infected by zombie juice, which is bad news for me.

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KingCracker wrote:Zombies are incredibly contagious because, depending on the type, can infect by bite, and all the way up to bleeding/scratching someone. And again, the numbers play a key roll here. Not to mention, since they are so friggin tough to put down, one will continue to try and bite you until you either turn and successfully run away, or you kill it.

Why are they tough to put down? They seem down right easy to me.

Yea because you shoot enough to keep that edge, itll be fairly easy for me as well. But someone that isnt familiar with firearms would be pretty much screwed

Being in Britain I'll be trusting to an axe for breaking skulls. Up close and personal increases the risk of being infected by zombie juice, which is bad news for me.

I'd suggest a body condom, mask, then cover it with padding and chain. Ain't many zombies capable of biting through riveted mail.

....Wait, how did you get an AXE? Aren't those banned there yet? They're not only made of wood (An inherently dangerous, babykilling material) but METAL too! (This stuff blows up convents and pre-schools by proximity.) ...and you'll put your eye out!

one will continue to try and bite you until you either turn and successfully run away, or you kill it.

They are still subject to the basics. I chop one to the bone with a machete in the upper arm, there's nothing to pull its hand up to claw at me anymore. If I hook a crowbar through its jaw and yank, and the jaw comes off, it won't be biting me very much.

Just to randomly address a couple things that jumped out at me... (not picking on anyone!)

Military are WONDERFUL breeding grounds for infectious organisms. Bunch of people, stressed out, living in tight quarters? Hell yeah! The 1918 flu killed more military and healthy people than anyone else because it was most likely a "cytokine storm", massive over reaction of the immune system to presence of the virus, that killed. Whatever the cause, more young healthy people died than the normal very old and very young. So having a strong immune system doesn't always help. Anyway, tight proximity, combined with it needing only one to get behind the lines, means military won't last as long as all the anti-zombie folks would hope.

As for communicability, yes the I agree with bites being the only way to transmit is a challenge... but consider Ebola. Ebola can only be spread by direct contact with body fluids. The only reason Ebola doesn't circle the world and kill 50 - 90% of the population is because it kills too quickly. Victims get symptomatic and drop dead too fast for transmission to occur more than 1 or 2 steps. Zombies... don't have this problem. They have all the time in the world to bite here, nibble there, and soon enough... everyone is a zombie. (this is why I'm going Z asap)

Plus if it is an infectious organism, or non organism infectious agent like the mad cow prion protein, then we all could be carriers now. I love the mad cow disease gone bad of zombieland... that in particular is brutal because we all could be eating zombie prion protein and it just takes a something to set it off...

NINJA ZOMBIES! Where?


--------where?

WHERE!?------------

KingCracker wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Zombies are incredibly contagious because, depending on the type, can infect by bite, and all the way up to bleeding/scratching someone. And again, the numbers play a key roll here. Not to mention, since they are so friggin tough to put down, one will continue to try and bite you until you either turn and successfully run away, or you kill it.

Why are they tough to put down? They seem down right easy to me.

Yea because you shoot enough to keep that edge, itll be fairly easy for me as well. But someone that isnt familiar with firearms would be pretty much screwed

get some guns!

Whoa, the old avatar! Nice touch, AND! Its yellow so you dont lose it!

KingCracker wrote:Whoa, the old avatar! Nice touch, AND! Its yellow so you dont lose it!

Exactly. OT but I think Season 4 of Top Shot has started. yes.

Get my crowbar, and my guns from my families safe, and go out with a bang.

Keep a bullet in the gun for the last shot. I'm disabled so in a post apocalyptic scenario I'd rather not burden anyone else, and my condition is chronic plus I can't really find much of the drug.

So really in any apocalyptic scenario, I'd rather go out and die/suicide rather than trying to live through it.

Frazzled wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Whoa, the old avatar! Nice touch, AND! Its yellow so you dont lose it!

Exactly. OT but I think Season 4 of Top Shot has started. yes.

Indeed it has! And for once, the women seem to be good shooters so far


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Doctadeth wrote:Get my crowbar, and my guns from my families safe, and go out with a bang.

Keep a bullet in the gun for the last shot. I'm disabled so in a post apocalyptic scenario I'd rather not burden anyone else, and my condition is chronic plus I can't really find much of the drug.

So really in any apocalyptic scenario, I'd rather go out and die/suicide rather than trying to live through it.

If you were here during that, Id give you as much explosive as you could handle, and give you a cigar and a salute my friend

KingCracker wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Whoa, the old avatar! Nice touch, AND! Its yellow so you dont lose it!

Exactly. OT but I think Season 4 of Top Shot has started. yes.

Indeed it has! And for once, the women seem to be good shooters so far


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Doctadeth wrote:Get my crowbar, and my guns from my families safe, and go out with a bang.

Keep a bullet in the gun for the last shot. I'm disabled so in a post apocalyptic scenario I'd rather not burden anyone else, and my condition is chronic plus I can't really find much of the drug.

So really in any apocalyptic scenario, I'd rather go out and die/suicide rather than trying to live through it.

If you were here during that, Id give you as much explosive as you could handle, and give you a cigar and a salute my friend

Id yell this to you KingCracker:

Ya might want to add a NSFW tag to that

has anyone wondered what would happen if we gave zombies acid?

I mean, has anyone considered using psychotropic or cerebral altering drugs?

wouldn't that be just hilarious? just a horde of zombies walking down the street, you hose em down with LSD, they just stop. anyone capable of being alive comes back (or just dies)

WHT HOLLYWOOD!!!! ARE YOU LISTENING!!!

Why not, it works on cats

Can zombies chew through kevlar?

iF GIVEN TIME.


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Can they chew through metal though, that is the question.

I wouldnt worry about Kevlar, that part would probably be safe, the main worry is, what part of your body is safe other then kevlar.


TheRobotLol - Really? Metal? Let me ask you, can you chew through metal? No? Then no

KingCracker wrote:I wouldnt worry about Kevlar, that part would probably be safe, the main worry is, what part of your body is safe other then kevlar.


TheRobotLol - Really? Metal? Let me ask you, can you chew through metal? No? Then no

Then I am safe!

I'm not sure how serious a response I should make, but here goes:

I'm going to go with a 'bad case' scenario(not worse case, but far from ideal): I'm at the office(in central business district New Orleans), I learn of the outbreak by one of the coworkers freaking out(from internet news or facebook, or a phone call) or worse, I see people running through the office windows.

At that point, I'd get away of the windows, first of all(hey, it could be a shooting) and spend a bit of time gathering more information before I make my move. At this point, let's assume I know it's a zombie outbreak.

Here's where it gets tricky -- my car is in a parking garage about a half-block away, so assuming I can get there, drive to my relatively nearby apartment, and get my guns, I'd be good. In my apartment, I would load up my guns(I'm a recreational shooter right now, and don't keep my guns loaded), steal my roommate's crowbar(not a great melee weapon, but you could do rifle butt -style attacks with it, methinks), quickly fashion a rugged outfit that's hopefully bite/scatch-resistant, grab some necessary supplies(basic first aid kit, some food, hopefully water), get back in my car and get the hell outta dodge.

...of course, that plan would likely fall apart and there's a lot of things making any disaster situation a bit tricky:
- I wear contacts/glasses(poor vision is a liability in the long-term, once my glasses break or I run out of contacts/solution)
- I'm not that great with navigation and don't know my way around the city yet(seems like the interstate would a be death-trap)

I mean ideally, I would be in good physical shape, have my conceal-carry permit and already have my weapon(and an extra mag) on me, be well-versed in first-aid, wilderness survival, and navigation, and of course drive a more rugged car than the two-door coupe I have. Even more in the realm of the ideal, I would have my carry gun on me, a full-sized handgun, rifle, and tool-turned-melee-weapon in my car, a home defense shotgun...