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the only reason this is fail to me is that i must spend £3-400 just for the happy benefit of now paying £23-4 for the codex too, make it useable for laptop use on itunes and im happy

My God, what a bunch of whiners here. I have to carry all those books, wwwaaaaaaa

Is it really that hard? Oh wait, I guess you rode a bus or got mommy and daddy to drive you to school so you didn't have to walk.

Man in my day I had to cary my school books, walk to school 20 minutes on way.

Oh yeah and in the winter I had snow up to my waist and had to walk uphill both ways. Geeze and you think you have it tough by carrying a small rule book and a codex.

My god some of you people will complain about anything.


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Also about piracy, doesn't GW say they are a miniture company not a rules company?

So how do people pirate minis?

Davor wrote:My God, what a bunch of whiners here. I have to carry all those books, wwwaaaaaaa

Is it really that hard? Oh wait, I guess you rode a bus or got mommy and daddy to drive you to school so you didn't have to walk.

Man in my day I had to cary my school books, walk to school 20 minutes on way.

Oh yeah and in the winter I had snow up to my waist and had to walk uphill both ways. Geeze and you think you have it tough by carrying a small rule book and a codex.

My god some of you people will complain about anything.


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Also about piracy, doesn't GW say they are a miniture company not a rules company?

So how do people pirate minis?

Re-cast them from bought minis

Just read the GW article and saw the video, it just looks like a WD. A very expensive that we have to purchase advertisment.

I think it's a great idea ONLY IF IT GETS UPDATED when FAQs do, otherwise you will still be carrying pieces of paper to go along with your ipad.

Also did you see the pic of the 2 guys playing on the table? Where is he going to put his ipad after he is done with it? Doesn't look like there is any room on that table so hopefully it will not fall and drop.

JakeSpacey wrote:I was pretty excited when I saw this. I was definitely looking forward to an iPad version, especially one that could be updated with rules changes. Then I saw the price. The only reason to justify such a high price, 9 bucks higher than a physical version, is that they really want people to still buy the paper versions of the codexes. Digital downloads mean no money for local stores and we already know how concerned GW is about those stores staying open.

Surely that was sarcasm.

Davor wrote:Just read the GW article and saw the video, it just looks like a WD. A very expensive that we have to purchase advertisment.

I think it's a great idea ONLY IF IT GETS UPDATED when FAQs do, otherwise you will still be carrying pieces of paper to go along with your ipad.

Also did you see the pic of the 2 guys playing on the table? Where is he going to put his ipad after he is done with it? Doesn't look like there is any room on that table so hopefully it will not fall and drop.

While I agree that it is only worth it if the FAQ/Errata updates apply themselves to the codices on the ipad I disagree that you'll be carrying around paper with your iPad if it does not. I have all the 40k FAQs and the INAT in PDF form on my iPad now. Last year I went to the BAO with a huge stack of printed material (FAQs) this year, since my work bought me an iPad2, I put them all in my iPad library. 1 Codex, 1 iPad, done. Not only lighter to carry around but more importantly more manageable. Still, I agree with your sentiments.

The true hobbyist will of course have a different ipad for every ipad codex, styled appropriately to reflect the character of the army codex that is stored on it.

Logistics are no excuse.

Shouldn't someone tell GW we have had acess if we wanted to choose to do it to digital editions of their codexes for a while? Or will we let them figure it out?

kenshin620 wrote:

helium42 wrote:It is getting reamed in the reviews on iTunes, mainly over the cost. Right now it is sitting on 76 reviews and an average of 1.5 stars out of 5.

I can see GW now...

"Egad, the reviews are appalling! We cant let this happen! Shut it all down!"

Sadly I see this happening. People whine how GW needs to go digital and once they do, they whine how they went digital. Can you only leave a review if you bought the product or are reviews open to everyone on the iReader Store? Listening to an interview with Rick Priestley and he was asked why they stopped the annual Chapter Approved/Warhammer Annual books. He said too many people complained about being asked to buy one every year. New rules, army lists, errata's, and FAQs in one nice place. Thought it was great and felt that was really the peak of 40k/FB. Fun lists and new rules coming out of GW on a regular basis. Yes there was some stupidass broken stuff in there, but was sad to see those stopped.

I'm not happy that it is only on the iPad right now (Kindle user) but understand that if you want to launch a digital book, your best bet is to launch it on the system that has the most users. The interactive features in the SM Codex sound great and minimize flipping around. The SoM scrolls are minor, but glad to see they are now available outside an old WD. Surprised no Sister's codex is on the side. Hopefully there will be one showing up soon. While I don't see these being documents that get updated one a new book comes out, hope they are living documents that are updated when a new FAQ comes out and changes an unit or rule.

OverwatchCNC wrote:

JakeSpacey wrote:I was pretty excited when I saw this. I was definitely looking forward to an iPad version, especially one that could be updated with rules changes. Then I saw the price. The only reason to justify such a high price, 9 bucks higher than a physical version, is that they really want people to still buy the paper versions of the codexes. Digital downloads mean no money for local stores and we already know how concerned GW is about those stores staying open.

Surely that was sarcasm.

Davor wrote:Just read the GW article and saw the video, it just looks like a WD. A very expensive that we have to purchase advertisment.

I think it's a great idea ONLY IF IT GETS UPDATED when FAQs do, otherwise you will still be carrying pieces of paper to go along with your ipad.

Also did you see the pic of the 2 guys playing on the table? Where is he going to put his ipad after he is done with it? Doesn't look like there is any room on that table so hopefully it will not fall and drop.

While I agree that it is only worth it if the FAQ/Errata updates apply themselves to the codices on the ipad I disagree that you'll be carrying around paper with your iPad if it does not. I have all the 40k FAQs and the INAT in PDF form on my iPad now. Last year I went to the BAO with a huge stack of printed material (FAQs) this year, since my work bought me an iPad2, I put them all in my iPad library. 1 Codex, 1 iPad, done. Not only lighter to carry around but more importantly more manageable. Still, I agree with your sentiments.

Well partly sarcasm. While you may disagree with GW, in their minds (or their stated reasoning) was no outside Internet sales was a way to make sure you either pay them retail plus shipping or retail at a GW store or less at most local retailers. Of course there are ways around this (eBay, phone orders). I'm not saying its the truth, but I can see them using the same argument for the price of this codex. Some people will pay this price. But how it can be more expensive than a physical copy, which has printing and paper costs, and contains material that has already been written is beyond me. The added features aren't that mind blowing. Considering you can buy most iPad apps for 10 bucks or less with much more original content and Black Library eBooks for less than their physical counterparts, I don't see how they can justify the price.

Will I probably eventually lay out the dough? Yeah, cause I'm a sucker for 40k anyway

sorry i havent read all 6 pages, but the impresion im getting isnt that we are complaining that GW went digital, we are complaining about the format, had they released it in PDF form for say... widows or something, then more people would have acess to it, as oposed to the few who are willing to spend £3-400 on an Ipad.

I think this is a legitimate worry, as if it stays Ipad only, only the lucky few will be able to afford it.

Formosa wrote:sorry i havent read all 6 pages, but the impresion im getting isnt that we are complaining that GW went digital, we are complaining about the format, had they released it in PDF form for say... widows or something, then more people would have acess to it, as oposed to the few who are willing to spend £3-400 on an Ipad.

I think this is a legitimate worry, as if it stays Ipad only, only the lucky few will be able to afford it.

Well someone here thinks if GW went PDF then everyone would pirate everything

This is a crazy price. I have an iPad but theses no way I'd pay that

kenshin620 wrote:

Formosa wrote:sorry i havent read all 6 pages, but the impresion im getting isnt that we are complaining that GW went digital, we are complaining about the format, had they released it in PDF form for say... widows or something, then more people would have acess to it, as oposed to the few who are willing to spend £3-400 on an Ipad.

I think this is a legitimate worry, as if it stays Ipad only, only the lucky few will be able to afford it.

Well someone here thinks if GW went PDF then everyone would pirate everything

As opposed to now? Where pretty much everything is already available on .pdf?

It's a neat idea - and it looks cool. But ebook pricing pisses me off in general. GW + Apple is a match made in overcharging heaven. Plus it really pisses me off how I can't even look at the site because I don't have Itunes installed. That's so Apple.

Schmapdi wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:

Formosa wrote:sorry i havent read all 6 pages, but the impresion im getting isnt that we are complaining that GW went digital, we are complaining about the format, had they released it in PDF form for say... widows or something, then more people would have acess to it, as oposed to the few who are willing to spend £3-400 on an Ipad.

I think this is a legitimate worry, as if it stays Ipad only, only the lucky few will be able to afford it.

Well someone here thinks if GW went PDF then everyone would pirate everything

As opposed to now? Where pretty much everything is already available on .pdf?

It's a neat idea - and it looks cool. But ebook pricing pisses me off in general. GW + Apple is a match made in overcharging heaven. Plus it really pisses me off how I can't even look at the site because I don't have Itunes installed. That's so Apple.

Qouted for truth bro

The reason why the price is quite high for you guys in America and the UK is because they have to set the one set price for all of iBooks internationally. So if they set the price $10us lower then the paperback codex, then us Australians would be saving like $30-$40 on our overpriced paperback. Which they wouldn't like.

So I'm guessing they had to try and keep the prices "even" which ment your price for the ibook is higher then the paper back, and ours is lower then it.

Liquidice281 wrote:So your proving my point that if GW released full high quality searchable PDFs, you would use them instead of buying a hardcopy. Bet when a corporation allows PDFs to be used in stores, it becomes easy for any person to walk in with every codex and rule book illegally downloaded and say that they bought them. This would drastically decrease sales of books. Why would a kid with an allowance spend $40 on a codex when they could download a .pdf from the internet and use the money to buy models, and use the pdf in game stores.

The point is that games workshop cannot police illegally downloaded material if they sell and allow PDFs. Also, any game store that allows players to use pirated versions of rule books and codexs should not be allowed to sell GW product in my opinion. It sets a bad example for younger players, is unethical, and is bad for business.

Actually, it's not terribly difficult to curb those illegally downloaded pdfs in stores if you really want to. If you get a pdf from wargames vault for instance, the pdf will have a small watermark at the bottom of every page with your name and order # so they can trace it back to you if you upload a torrent of it. It doesn't show if you print a hard copy, but the pdf does not allow you to "print" or export it as another pdf or digital file, at least not with the few programs I've tried it with. I'm sure it's not foolproof and somebody is bound to crack it if they really care to, but if GW were truly concerned they could just include a similar DRM when you download it and look at watermarks in-store and at official tourneys as the judges walk around.

As far as pirating in general, I'm not convinced it's such a huge problem as the media makes it out to be. Just look at music and movies, it makes big news when people get hit with these huge lawsuits after getting caught and yet itunes is so successful that it has not only changed the music industry, but the movie industry as well. Netflix has the problems that it does because itunes is so dominating in digital music that the studios are extremely afraid to give netflix the same level power over tv/movies. And yet DvDs and BluRays still sell. CDs still sell (albeit to a far lesser degree). People still buy digital copies of music and movies for a few dollars even though it's usually not terribly hard to find a pirated copy of it. People still go and see movies in theaters even if they get torrented early. Avengers is a great example of that, made over a billion dollars in theaters despite a pirated copy hitting the internet a week before release. You will always have the people that want it for free because they "deserve" it or can't/won't afford it, but you will also always have the people willing to do the moral thing and many more that will do the convenient thing. Hell, that's the key to itunes: paying a dollar in an easilly searchable and easily downloadable format is usually much more convenient than trying to find a pirated copy of the song and find a way to get it without getting caught or infected with viruses. And other people just like having a physical copy of stuff. People like having a disc, people like having an actual book to flip through. Ereaders are extremely popular, audiobooks are becoming more and more and more popular, but people still buy books.

Besides, I've looked at a lot of those warhammer pdfs, and they're generally crap. Some are printers copies with the formatting bars, and those are generally nice quality, but many are badly lined up scans with text bleeding through the images from the reverse side of the page or worse somebody holding the book open and photographing the page. A lot of people would gladly pay real money for a quality pdf file, or pay a little extra for a hard copy with a digital copy included. Pirated stuff is generally just not as good as somehting you buy since almost by definition it's an ameteur that put it together

It's a great move, but not enough to get me back.

If I was back in the work force I'd be happy to buy eBooks of codicies at full price if they're properly designed, hyper-linked, and indexed. And I would buy them (at least for the armies I play, and this would of course all be contingent on GW releasing an affordable, high-quality model set for those armies with nothing in Finecast) over pirated PDFs.

But I don't have an iPad. I will never buy an Apple product.

So I'm out. To be fair to GW, this seems to be a rare case where the bungling can't be blamed on them- Android as far as I know has nothing equivalent to the iBook platform.

So overall it's a good move on GW's part, and as much as I think the company routinely screws up in this case I think they've gotten everything right that it is possible to get right.

Once in a while I'll try to think of you guys when I play Infinity with better models using free PDF rules.

Johira just said exactly what I was thinking about the product itself. Looks absolutely fantastic, but I don't like Apple, don't intend to buy an Ipad and don't intend to get back into warhammer. There's plenty of better written games with models just as good that cost far, far less and most of them are putting out free rules and also high quality printed rulebooks. Infinity does this best, the book is fantastic and totally worth the $40 or whatever I paid for it, even though I have all the pdfs with the free rules and army lists.

£25 is pretty steep, I have an iPhone and iPad and think the idea is great but costing as much as a physical copy...... Nahhhhh.

As 4 all the android users, I'm sure it will come but Joe average has a apple product. I don't like apple as a company but let's be honest it is the best around at what it does: being massively user friendly and having all the best apps.

So the real question will this book auto update when the new edition of the game comes out next month. And will they release a digital copy of the rule book the same day the physical book comes out. As for the scroll of binding, maybe it should be a free code in the box when you buy the mini.

I don't know why people complain about the price,

this digital codex seems to hold as much info and fluff as 2 codices together, and many other features that had to be programmed and worked upon a book can never offer. It seems to offer so much stuff, it's more than worth the 25£ IMHO

that being said, I like this, alot, if only, I had an Ipod (and that's a rhyme so it's true!)

I think the true success or failure will be known until a new book comes out. This is not a "in addition to the book" kind of product and everybody who wants C:SM already has it.

When a new book comes out (I am thinking 6th Ed) this will show how sustainable it is, since at that point it will be an option to actually buy a new book in either format.

Although being stuck in the Apple platform could explain the "Project Prisoner" code name...

RutgerMan wrote:I don't know why people complain about the price,

this digital codex seems to hold as much info and fluff as 2 codices together, and many other features that had to be programmed and worked upon a book can never offer. It seems to offer so much stuff, it's more than worth the 25£ IMHO

that being said, I like this, alot, if only, I had an Ipod (and that's a rhyme so it's true!)

I agree, its the same exact price as a printed codex now (remember, the SM codex went from $33 to $41?) and you get more options than the printed codex. The searchable text and popup rules links alone make it superior to the print version to me. Compared to DnD and various other games rulebooks, GW's organization of the rules in their books is atrocious and rules search/popup option is a godsend that helps solve this. 360s and potentially video are nice bonus too.

While it would be great if this could come to Android too, I can see why it isn't. Google hasn't really developed an easy to use ebook/interactive textbook creator... yet. Right now if GW wanted to do something comparable on Android they would have to hire a lot of programmers (prolly C+?) to make proprietary app-like codexes to create something comparable. Here's hoping Google gets with it and develops something comparable to the iBooks creator so GW can open it up to Android fans too.

Right now I already have an iPad, and i have pdfs of pretty much all the codexes. But when the codexes come out for the armies I own, I plan on buying them through iBooks too... i was pretty impressed with what these can do.

RutgerMan wrote:this digital codex seems to hold as much info and fluff as 2 codices together

It is not 324 "pages" it is 324 "screens" (most regular codex pages now span two "screens"), other than the Stormtalon, it is the existing codex with pop-ups/animations (which have some usefulness). Okay, it has a few corrections too.

So what i get is GW has crappy layout so you rewrard and pay extra for the ability to find things easier wich should have been done in the first place.

JOHIRA wrote:
But I don't have an iPad. I will never buy an Apple product.

Amen brother!!

As much as I am all about personal principles, why is it GWs fault that you won't ever buy an Apple product?

If they want to release a product that is made for tablets, and decide to focus on the biggest platform, then they can. Just don't blame GW for your personal decisions.

Because all they know how to do is complain about how horrible GW is and how they hate customers.

I am sure they could decide that every customer gets a free real life pony in every box and they would complain and talk about how awesome mules are.

sparkywtf wrote:Because all they know how to do is complain about how horrible GW is and how they hate customers.

I am sure they could decide that every customer gets a free real life pony in every box and they would complain and talk about how awesome mules are.

Don't be silly, we both know that the only reason for the free pony is that you are only allowed to feed it FineHay, so GW is forcing you to spend money later.

I haz iPad, but I will WAIT before embracing the digital editions idea. Previous posters are entirely correct... if the iBook codexes are auto-updated with errata and FAQ and rule changes, then I will embrace them. If not, I'll buy the old fashioned rulebooks instead. All up to you, GW.