Texas Dad beats man assaulting his daughter, to death

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**Kaldor**

mattyrm wrote: If you fething kick a man to death, you have to seriously go to town. Even I would have a sweat on and I can run a 10k in 38 minutes.

Depends though. Plenty of people have died after only being struck once.

However, almost all cases of one-punch-kills are a result of a person being knocked to the ground and striking their head on something like a rock or gutter. I think the death in this case would have required a concerted effort to produce blunt force trauma, not a single lucky blow.

**htj**

There is, of course, the chance that there was some problem in the brain to begin with, that was triggered by the blows. I'm no expert, but I think some people are more prone to haemorrhages in the brain.

**Frazzled**

Grakmar wrote:How about we all take a moment and send our thoughts and prayers to this poor girl, rather than arguing back and forth over sex offender registries.

She was horribly traumatized by first a terrible, terrible act by a despicable human being, and then again by watching her father beat a man to death in front of her.

Whether or not her father's actions were justifiable, the entire incident would be very troubling to a 4-year-old, who wouldn't really understand the nuances of what happened.

On behalf of all of us, I'd like to wish her a speedy and thorough recovery.

Word.

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Corpsesarefun wrote:Very true, that doesn't change the fact that people ARE given a good indication of where said convicted paedophiles are.

and @Frazz, really? 3 days is enough time to totally close a case like that?

Yep. Whats the wait for again?

**Melissia**

Or that the guy being tossed around positioned his head just right that the first punch snapped his neck.

Human bodies can both be surprisingly less and surprisingly more fragile than we think.

**Frazzled**

mattyrm wrote:I've always supported capital punishment until I read this thread, now I'm having second thoughts.

Basically people want to act like fething Afghan goat herders as soon as their blood is up. At this rate there wouldn't be anyone left alive by 2018.

The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.

And beating someone to death isn't easy by the way, who was the guy who said it was a few pages back? And has he EVER been in a proper fight? Ive been wrapped over the head with all sorts, I got knocked out with a sock full of snooker balls, mashed over the head 4 times with 3 cricket stumps taped together, and then booted all over a street by a gang when I was 15, and I was alright to go on the piss the next day once they stitched my crust back together.

If you fething kick a man to death, you have to seriously go to town. Even I would have a sweat on and I can run a 10k in 38 minutes.

Its not a revenege attack. He stopped the assault THAT WAS HAPPENING.
Under the same law, if he capped him with a Colt Peacemaker, he'd have the same defense.

**Corpsesarefun**

Frazzled wrote:
mattyrm wrote:I've always supported capital punishment until I read this thread, now I'm having second thoughts.

Basically people want to act like fething Afghan goat herders as soon as their blood is up. At this rate there wouldn't be anyone left alive by 2018.

The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.

And beating someone to death isn't easy by the way, who was the guy who said it was a few pages back? And has he EVER been in a proper fight? Ive been wrapped over the head with all sorts, I got knocked out with a sock full of snooker balls, mashed over the head 4 times with 3 cricket stumps taped together, and then booted all over a street by a gang when I was 15, and I was alright to go on the piss the next day once they stitched my crust back together.

If you fething kick a man to death, you have to seriously go to town. Even I would have a sweat on and I can run a 10k in 38 minutes.

Its not a revenege attack. He stopped the assault THAT WAS HAPPENING.
Under the same law, if he capped him with a Colt Peacemaker, he'd have the same defense.

It was totally necessary to kill him to stop the assault was it? There was no other was of stopping it?

**Howard A Treesong**

Surtur wrote:I have no qualms. I would probably do the same thing.

Who wouldn't? Most parents would put their own life before their child. Anyone caught in this situation would struggle to restrain themselves, the fear and anger involved would override everything. I don't see how anyone could care about the attacker, my concerns would be for the daughter who has been molested and then seen a men beaten to death in front of her.

**Frazzled**

Corpsesarefun wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
mattyrm wrote:I've always supported capital punishment until I read this thread, now I'm having second thoughts.

Basically people want to act like fething Afghan goat herders as soon as their blood is up. At this rate there wouldn't be anyone left alive by 2018.

The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.

And beating someone to death isn't easy by the way, who was the guy who said it was a few pages back? And has he EVER been in a proper fight? Ive been wrapped over the head with all sorts, I got knocked out with a sock full of snooker balls, mashed over the head 4 times with 3 cricket stumps taped together, and then booted all over a street by a gang when I was 15, and I was alright to go on the piss the next day once they stitched my crust back together.

If you fething kick a man to death, you have to seriously go to town. Even I would have a sweat on and I can run a 10k in 38 minutes.

Its not a revenege attack. He stopped the assault THAT WAS HAPPENING.
Under the same law, if he capped him with a Colt Peacemaker, he'd have the same defense.

It was totally necessary to kill him to stop the assault was it? There was no other was of stopping it?

Legally lethal force may be used to stop this particular type of crime. As I said, if Pop came in, saw the attack and just blew him away he'd be fine. You can argue if the evidence shows repeated blows after the BG was incapacitated, but otherwise I have a logic failure in saying he could shoot him, he just couldn't punch him.

**A Town Called Malus**

Frazzled wrote:
Corpsesarefun wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
mattyrm wrote:I've always supported capital punishment until I read this thread, now I'm having second thoughts.

Basically people want to act like fething Afghan goat herders as soon as their blood is up. At this rate there wouldn't be anyone left alive by 2018.

The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.

And beating someone to death isn't easy by the way, who was the guy who said it was a few pages back? And has he EVER been in a proper fight? Ive been wrapped over the head with all sorts, I got knocked out with a sock full of snooker balls, mashed over the head 4 times with 3 cricket stumps taped together, and then booted all over a street by a gang when I was 15, and I was alright to go on the piss the next day once they stitched my crust back together.

If you fething kick a man to death, you have to seriously go to town. Even I would have a sweat on and I can run a 10k in 38 minutes.

Its not a revenege attack. He stopped the assault THAT WAS HAPPENING.
Under the same law, if he capped him with a Colt Peacemaker, he'd have the same defense.

It was totally necessary to kill him to stop the assault was it? There was no other was of stopping it?

Legally lethal force may be used to stop this particular type of crime. As I said, if Pop came in, saw the attack and just blew him away he'd be fine. You can argue if the evidence shows repeated blows after the BG was incapacitated, but otherwise I have a logic failure in saying he could shoot him, he just couldn't punch him.

Well shooting him would bring up its own problems. There would be a reasonable chance that the bullet could go through the attacker and into the victim, especially with a high powered weapon like a Peacemaker. So if the father did have a gun I'd say he would have been better off just pistol whipping the guy on the back of the head rather than opening fire on a struggle involving his own daughter.

**Frazzled**

Thats why I have a brace of full auto wiener dogs. Guided missiles of dog doggie doom coming atcha!

**IronWarLeg**

Couple thoughts:

1. There is a difference between screams with children, there's the "I stubbed my toe" scream, and there's screams that put any father into the "terrified something is wrong" mode, as a father of a 5 year old daughter I know them both, as any father of a a young child would.

2. As a thought to punches being lethal, one punch to ttyhe back of the head can kill a person outright, its illegal in contact sports for a reason, and before someone says he wasn't a pro boxer, he did I live on a ranch, probobly worked with his hands all day, so although a punch like that wasn't aimed, it certain ly could have held the force to do serious damage in a matter of 4-5 seconds if repeated, no matter where the punches landed on the head. Secondly, 3-4 seconds is enough time to throw several pu ches, and honestly that's about 2 seconds longer than a draw and fire with a gun.

Just my thoughts.

**Melissia**

Besides, we have to account for the adrenaline rush as well. Adrenaline rushes have allowed things like housewives tilting cars so that they can get their children out from under them.

**Howard A Treesong**

Blows to the head can be very unpredictable. It's not just the punch for the head that occurs to me but what happens next. Yes you get stories where people are shot in the head and recover fully, but falling and cracking your head on the pavement could kill. It happens when people slip on ice or go down after being punched in the street.

People smack their heads on things all the time in films which rarely result sin actual injury or even has comedy value. It leads to a false perception of how serious a head injury is.

**Kovnik Obama**

Corpsesarefun wrote:It was totally necessary to kill him to stop the assault was it? There was no other was of stopping it?

Doesn't really have to be. 'Black outs' defence works both ways...

Melissia nailed it ; was it a situation in which the parent could rationaly evaluate the harm he was inflicting upon the rapist? Arguing that no will be utterly easy, unless there's a conflict in the timing of the story.

Even outside of Texas, this guy would get away without a single night in a cell.

**deathholydeath**

mattyrm wrote:I've always supported capital punishment until I read this thread, now I'm having second thoughts.

Basically people want to act like fething Afghan goat herders as soon as their blood is up. At this rate there wouldn't be anyone left alive by 2018.

The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.

And beating someone to death isn't easy by the way, who was the guy who said it was a few pages back? And has he EVER been in a proper fight? Ive been wrapped over the head with all sorts, I got knocked out with a sock full of snooker balls, mashed over the head 4 times with 3 cricket stumps taped together, and then booted all over a street by a gang when I was 15, and I was alright to go on the piss the next day once they stitched my crust back together.

If you fething kick a man to death, you have to seriously go to town. Even I would have a sweat on and I can run a 10k in 38 minutes.

It's perfectly possible to kill someone in one blow. However, it's usually a matter of location (i.e. to the back of the neck), or environmental factors (they fall on something, or are braced in a position that puts internal pressure on necessary organs or bones), or internal medical problems (they hemorrhage, die from shock, choke, seize, or something similar).
Of course, none of this is relevant, since the article states the father struck the man several times.

**dogma**

Chowderhead wrote:
He sexually molested a four-year-old. That's the goddamn definition.

No, no it isn't. Plenty of reasons to molest that don't turn on attraction.

**Kovnik Obama**

mattyrm wrote:I've always supported capital punishment until I read this thread, now I'm having second thoughts.

Basically people want to act like fething Afghan goat herders as soon as their blood is up. At this rate there wouldn't be anyone left alive by 2018.

The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.

And beating someone to death isn't easy by the way, who was the guy who said it was a few pages back? And has he EVER been in a proper fight? Ive been wrapped over the head with all sorts, I got knocked out with a sock full of snooker balls, mashed over the head 4 times with 3 cricket stumps taped together, and then booted all over a street by a gang when I was 15, and I was alright to go on the piss the next day once they stitched my crust back together.

If you fething kick a man to death, you have to seriously go to town. Even I would have a sweat on and I can run a 10k in 38 minutes.

My father witnessed a one-punch kill outside a bar a few years ago. Apparently some big dude offered some smaller dude to give the first blow, got knocked out by the hit, and broke his neck on the asphalt. 4 seconds of fight, result ; one dead dude and one 3 years sentence for manslaughter.

Fighting is stupid, if you don't assume you can get killed or kill someone in the process.

**dogma**

Kovnik Obama wrote:
Fighting is stupid, if you don't assume you can get killed or kill someone in the process.

But, like most stupid things, it is fun.

**Kovnik Obama**

dogma wrote:
Kovnik Obama wrote:
Fighting is stupid, if you don't assume you can get killed or kill someone in the process.

But, like most stupid things, it is fun.

Well yeah, ''sports are to war what porn is to sexuality'', and all...

**dogma**

And all 4 are fun, so long as you're giving.

**Squigsquasher**

The perverted bastard got what he deserved.

**timetowaste85**

Corpsesarefun wrote:While I have the utmost empathy for the guy (I have no doubt that I'd do the same in pretty much every scenario) this is a clear violation of the law and as such he should do at least SOME jail time.

You're absolutely right-let's put him in solitary for 15 minutes, let him cool down, then send him back to his family. He did what any normal father should do. With no previous criminal record (from Fraz's post), it is unlikely that he would have killed his friend/acquaintance if this didn't happen, and his actions were a reaction caused by harm coming to his daughter. While I believe many Texans are crazy, trigger happy, weiner-dog loving nut-jobs (Fraz

), I think Texan law is appropriate here-let the dad walk free. Or, give him a 15 minute 'time-out', then let him go free.

**Scrabb**

mattyrm wrote:The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.

Or given a ten year sentence and gotten off in four for good behavior.

**timetowaste85**

Scrabb wrote:
mattyrm wrote:The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.
Or given a ten year sentence and gotten off in four for good behavior.

I think Matty meant the molester should have been arrested, charged and beaten to death-not the father. I don't think we wanted the molester getting out of jail in 4 years for good behavior. Moot point, since he's, well...dead.

**deathholydeath**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Scrabb wrote:
mattyrm wrote:The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.
Or given a ten year sentence and gotten off in four for good behavior.

I think Matty meant the molester should have been arrested, charged and beaten to death-not the father. I don't think we wanted the molester getting out of jail in 4 years for good behavior. Moot point, since he's, well...dead.

I think he meant the alleged rapist and was providing a commentary on the ludicrous nature of our justice system.

**Amaya**

Melissia wrote:Besides, we have to account for the adrenaline rush as well. Adrenaline rushes have allowed things like housewives tilting cars so that they can get their children out from under them.

There is no reputable evidence for that occurring, but it is proven that adrenaline rushes temporarily shut down safeguards allowing humans to exert force beyond what they normally could do. As cool as it may sound it can lead to serious injury. You also have to question how reasonable for is it to expect anyone to restrain themselves from seriously injuring any individual attacking their child. This a particularly extreme case. Passing moral judgment on the father, be it good or bad, is misguided unless you've actually be in a similar situation.

Squigsquasher wrote:The perverted bastard got what he deserved.

No one deserves to be beaten death. I'll agree he should be executed, but every execution should be done as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

deathholydeath wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
Scrabb wrote:
mattyrm wrote:The bloke should have been arrested, charged, found guilty in a court and THEN been beaten to death.
Or given a ten year sentence and gotten off in four for good behavior.

I think Matty meant the molester should have been arrested, charged and beaten to death-not the father. I don't think we wanted the molester getting out of jail in 4 years for good behavior. Moot point, since he's, well...dead.

I think he meant the alleged rapist and was providing a commentary on the ludicrous nature of our justice system.

Yep, the attacker wouldn't have done life or gotten the death penalty.

**Bromsy**

I'm with the Grakster. Girl is gonna have some gak to get over.

That said, if you walk in and some dude has his hands down your daughter's pants, our silly societal construct known as family doesn't leave a lot of room for reasoned response. Unless the father got up from the guys supine body, went and got a claw hammer from the garage and finished the job, he ought to walk. I'm all for investigating, but that is really all anyone ought to be saying. There really isn't a reason to invent scenarios where it was innocent misunderstanding and the father is the bad guy. Just say "I think this needs to be investigated, without bias." Done, simple, and people can't really get all offended by that and shout back and turn this into a whole thing.

**Scrabb**

deatholydeath has the right of it.

Googled "rape sentence" and this was the first thing that came up. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/06/12/Man-sentenced-for-1997-rape-of-teenager/UPI-91471339480139/

Sentenced to 8 1/2. Minimum to be served is 6-ish. I was pretty close.

**sebster**

So, aside from a few people that like yelling death to paedophiles, most everyone else can agree that if the father killed the guy in the act of protecting his daughter he should be fine, but if he inflicted the lethal blows after his daughter was secure then he has a case to answer. And despite a whole lot of guesswork from the collected braintrust of Dakka, we've basically got no idea when the guy was actually killed, so we should probably leave it up to the police.

Oh, and some people have pointed out it's probably more important to send good wishes to the daughter than argue the above, because she's apparently reading Dakka or something.

**Melissia**

It would be weird if a four year old could read fluently (some can mind you, but a rural home doesn't strike me as a place where tehy'd send their daughter to preschool), nevermind participate in DakkaDakka discussion. Or follow it.