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**wickedcarrot**

Loving the concepts

**Scrub**

How far out do you guys think they would be from a full on release? Late 2013 or this time next year?

I'm pretty new to the hobby in general but I'm absolutely loving those concepts, an Empire army might be in the works if the sculpts mirror that imagery nicely...

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Sadly for Avatars of War you might be waiting a lot longer than that.

They do great work but really are SLOW

(but then again if Felix gets inspired by Humans with mustaches, then that's what he'll sculpt even if he hasn't finished what he's doing now)

**agnosto**

And then they'll put it up for sale on their website and take 6 months or so to get it to you. I'm starting to draw correlations between Defiance and AoW.

**Bolognesus**

...except AoW is quite competent, just extremely boneheaded.

**agnosto**

Bolognesus wrote:
...except AoW is quite competent, just extremely boneheaded.

Competent? Aren't people still waiting on not-warriors of chaos? I will hand it to them they actually admit they don't have current stock, unlike Defiance but it still doesn't pay to pre-order anything from AoW if you want to see it...ever; the same as Defiance. Maybe Tony's related to the guy that runs AoW.

Personally, I love AoW's models; I have the Ogre Hero but I had to buy it from an online retailer because AoW never seems to actually stock anything. It's stupid, and I mean this in the rudest manner possible, to continue making new lines of models if you can't produce enough of what you've already made to satisfy demand. Yes, be successful but also be aware that someone might actually like to give you some money for a product and you actually have it to give to them at some point.

/rant.

reading that, it's probably worded a bit stronger than I intend but I wan to buy some stuff and it's never available so I'll just give another company my money.

**Azazelx**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Sadly for Avatars of War you might be waiting a lot longer than that.

They do great work but really are SLOW

(but then again if Felix gets inspired by Humans with mustaches, then that's what he'll sculpt even if he hasn't finished what he's doing now)

This.

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Bolognesus wrote:
...except AoW is quite competent, just extremely boneheaded.

Also, this.

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agnosto wrote:

Personally, I love AoW's models; I have the Ogre Hero but I had to buy it from an online retailer because AoW never seems to actually stock anything.

Also, this. It's the only way to sensibly buy AoW models.

**-Loki-**

scipio.au wrote:
agnosto wrote:

Personally, I love AoW's models; I have the Ogre Hero but I had to buy it from an online retailer because AoW never seems to actually stock anything.

Also, this. It's the only way to sensibly buy AoW models.

Guess I'm lucky my FLGS stocks all of AoW's products then. Any time I've wanted something, I've just wandered in and grabbed it off the rack.

**Azazelx**

I used to buy them from Maelstrom. Now I buy them from Firestorm. if they don't have stock of something, I ask them to cancel it and sub something else in. Works for me!

**Alpharius**

The new Human concepts look great!

Once the Dwarves hit an actual store that can say "Yes, they're in stock. I'm looking at the boxes right now." I'll be buying a lot of them.

Same with the Empire.

**Vermillion**

Alpharius wrote:
The new Human concepts look great!

Once the Dwarves hit an actual store that can say "Yes, they're in stock. I'm looking at the boxes right now." I'll be buying a lot of them.

Same with the Empire.

If only they would actually restock their not chaos warriors they would actually be making more money as the demand seems to be there. Unless they're still trying to fulfill all those previous orders

But yeah this, when the stuff is in a store I'll bite, like their characters and not nurgle warriors are

. Really hoping they get the GW dwarves done soon though.

**Scottywan82**

kenshin620 wrote:
Color me interested. What glorious mustaches these men have

But the real question is: Are they ironic?

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plastictrees wrote:
"Upcoming" in this case being used in a similar manner to "The 'upcoming' heat death of the universe".

Very nice concepts though.

ZING! Well played.

**Mr Gutsy**

I've been wondering lately if money might be a big factor as to why AOW is so far behind schedule, they only made $39,575 with their campaign and set out to produce 10 Multi-part warcast Dwarf regiments, (along with a mortar/crew and 2 living Ancestor models.) And 4 Hero models, (Including the Warcast dwarf king mounted on a bear.)

compare that to Mantic who managed to raise a little over 9 times as much money ($354,997) and are producing 20 new regiments and 7-8 new hero models. Granted Mantic were also funding the printing of a rulebook and included a ridiculous amount of freebies. But even doing some rough guess work as to how much that would cost, there is still such a large difference between the amount of money Mantic and AOW each have available to produce their regiments.

**RiTides**

While this is true, I think AoW would've been behind schedule no matter what...

The more I've thought about this, the more it bothers me that he didn't make the LE standard bearer first (which tons of people pledged for, and many just for that). That's very poor customer service...

Contrast this to the recently ended Imbrian Arts kickstarter, for which the creator changed his sculpting schedule when backers suggested he make the low-pledge-level popular models first, so that he can get out those pledges.

For AoW, it looks like the LE standard bearer is something like a Last priority... and that means it's going to be a Long time coming at the rate they're going (2 regiments finished, 1 WIP).

So, yeah... I know they don't listen to reason much but his order of sculpting makes absolutely no sense, and may earn him the ire of a lot of backers if it's a year down the road and he still hasn't done the LE standard bearer.

**Azazelx**

I'm actually not too upset with Felix on this one. The reason being that after what passed for communication and reason with him while the campaign was active, and the fiasco with the Chaos Warriors, I went in (for just the standard bearer) with absolutely no expectation of him acting rationally, quickly or sensibly. I do trust him to come through eventually, just not anytime soon.

Hard to be disappointed when you go in with expectations that low..

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Mr Gutsy wrote:
I've been wondering lately if money might be a big factor as to why AOW is so far behind schedule, they only made $39,575 with their campaign and set out to produce 10 Multi-part warcast Dwarf regiments, (along with a mortar/crew and 2 living Ancestor models.) And 4 Hero models, (Including the Warcast dwarf king mounted on a bear.)

compare that to Mantic who managed to raise a little over 9 times as much money ($354,997) and are producing 20 new regiments and 7-8 new hero models. Granted Mantic were also funding the printing of a rulebook and included a ridiculous amount of freebies. But even doing some rough guess work as to how much that would cost, there is still such a large difference between the amount of money Mantic and AOW each have available to produce their regiments.

I don't think the money would matter. AoW is artist-owned, and Felix sculpts whatever he wants to anyway for the AoW line, does it slowly, and does almost all of it himself. Honestly, the IGG Money is just pay-way-upfront AoW preorders.

Mantic on the other hand freelances their sculpting, (I'm pretty sure neither Ronnie nor Orcy do the sculpting!) so they pay artists for the concept art, per sculpt etc. Hence the money goes out to pay for the commission work.

**mattyrm**

The blokes dwarfs are fething fantastic.

Say what you like about his time keeping, his sculpts are bang on.

**RoninXiC**

Well, it looks like AoW is not able to fulfill their stuff when Johanna is ill. And she seems to be ill since December.

I'm still waiting for my Ironshields :(

**Kroothawk**

More concepts, now for Goblins (and he swears he is 100% sculpting dwarfs currently

):

Avatars of War wrote:With the imminent arrival of the Goblin army list for Warthrone (by now available in Spanish only), we’ll be showing some of the concept art!

The Goblins of Saga are strongly based on the movie "Labyrinth", a cult film of the 80’s. They are an intelligent race, mischievous and cruel (not evil). Goblin citadels are impenetrable, but in a Goblin way: No high walls and cannons, or big gates, no fences or moats,… one big maze is much more fun and effective!

Goblin strongholds are legendary and feared because all Goblin citadels are surrounded by a giant maze, a challenge full of traps and dangers for those trying to enter Goblin’s domain. A weird place that it’s like taken out of a dream (or a nightmare)... Very few have ventured into a Goblin labyrinth and have come out alive! And of those who did, none of them kept sanity!
Some still believe Goblins are no more than a story to scare children ... >

A Goblin citadel (image from the movie)

First batch of concepts

Trasgolillos (still have to find the English name for these small Goblins)

Goblin w/ Blunderbuss & Goblin w/ bow

Goblin Berserker

Guard of the Labyrinth

Changeling

Goblin Bat riders

Personal comment: I give up my hope that he will ever make Dark Elf Witches, as people on the forum urged him.

**kenshin620**

Changeling

First thing that comes to mind

Spoiler:

**SlaveToDorkness**

I demand a Goblin King Bowie, complete with off-putting crotch bulge.

**Azazelx**

(He) can be (one of the) Heroes.

Just for one day.

**kenshin620**

Dwarf Thunder Warriors wip

**buckero0**

Their stuff is so beautiful, I have similar complaints about their availability.

I wish someone would make some cool Kislev-like humans (real Slavic multipart troops)

**RiTides**

That second pic is new- looks good! Are they """available""" now? (Massive air quotes)

**Piston Honda**

Really wish I had back their indiegogo campaign, one of 2 campaigns I am really kicking my self in the ass for missing.

**Azazelx**

You really didn't miss much of a discount at all, and you saved yourself the hassle and stress of having to deal with AoW directly. Just buy them from a retailer when they come in - that's my plan!

**Piston Honda**

I really just wanted the dwarf art prints. I love dwarf related art.

Manley beards.

**grefven**

I totally agree with Azazelx. I can't even get an account confirmed so I can post on their forum. AoW might create some nice miniatures, but every other aspect just pulls them down. It's a shame. :/

**More Dakka**

Sigh, I love their Dwarf stuff so much but can't find a dealer that actually has them :(

Anyone know of webstores that have any stock??

Also, any rumors about GWs for the Dwarfs? Seems like the way to go with them.

**Mr Gutsy**

The TrollTrader currently has 8 boxes of the Dwarf Ironshields in stock for $40 US each. ($5 saving over buying direct from AOW, they also have free ROW shipping on all order over $45.)
http://www.thetrolltrader.com/catalog/avatars_of_war/dwarf_ironshields_aowpl05/7473

i don't think that the Bronzeshields are available to retailers yet, over on the Wayland games website the BronzeShields are listed as a pre-order item that are expected to ship late May/early June.

(Edit.)
Make that 7 boxes of Ironshields left... I just noticed that Trolltrader also sells the AOW plastic berserker box for $27 and couldn't resist placing an order.