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I must admit the minis came within two weeks and there are the best count has nurgle warriors I have everseen this side of rackham. They blow must fantasy models out of the water.

Still waiting for mine :( They surely work as slow as dwarfs run...

I received mine a week ago, it took around 15 days for them too arrive. Which was nothing compared to the 6 month wait i had with the Warriors of Apoc.

Overall its a great box set, The models are well detailed and are very easy to assemble since they are are only comprised of 3 pieces each.

I was a little disappointed that the arms and heads were already attached to the torsos though, while it does make assembling them much easier it also removes alot of the character and individualism that comes with posing your own models. Personally I'd much rather AOW go back to producing these new box sets like the original pre-order version of the Warriors of Apoc, where each box came with 20+ unique heads and the models weren't already 70% assembled for you.

There were a few casting problems with some of the models in my box too, a couple of the severed head trophies located on the back of the legs weren't fully formed during casting leaving the nose and eye region caved in. The chain on the standard bearer model was broken, and the champion model was missing a few fingers on his pointing hand. Its really nothing some putty can't fix, but they could definitely use some better quality control when inspecting the models they send out.

Mr Gutsy wrote:
I was a little disappointed that the arms and heads were already attached to the torsos though, while it does make assembling them much easier it also removes alot of the character and individualism that comes with posing your own models. Personally I'd much rather AOW go back to producing these new box sets like the original pre-order version of the Warriors of Apoc, where each box came with 20+ unique heads and the models weren't already 70% assembled for you.

The problem with kits like these is that they're made to rank up. Giving you lots of posing opportunities is wasted when to get them to actually rank up, they'll ben in the same positions anyway. The other option is uniquely posing them but they only fit in one set order in the unit, which is a nightmare for setting up.

I may ave to pick up some of these corruption guys. The apocalypse ones are beautiful!

Anybody have any idea why there are 17 in the box including command and then a separate box with command figures?

If you are going to use them for a game system that shall remain nameless it's best to use them has chosen.

 inqscott wrote:
If you are going to use them for a game system that shall remain nameless it's best to use them has chosen.

But what if you dont really like the "lets all walk politely with our weapons pointing up" pose of the normal warriors?

 -Loki- wrote:

Mr Gutsy wrote:
I was a little disappointed that the arms and heads were already attached to the torsos though, while it does make assembling them much easier it also removes alot of the character and individualism that comes with posing your own models. Personally I'd much rather AOW go back to producing these new box sets like the original pre-order version of the Warriors of Apoc, where each box came with 20+ unique heads and the models weren't already 70% assembled for you.

The problem with kits like these is that they're made to rank up. Giving you lots of posing opportunities is wasted when to get them to actually rank up, they'll ben in the same positions anyway. The other option is uniquely posing them but they only fit in one set order in the unit, which is a nightmare for setting up.

Might as well buy some Perry Napoleonics, then, if you care more about ranking up than having exciting models. They are the best, most cost-effectively boring models available. Apparently nothing says "chaos" like yawn-stifling conformity. I can't wait to play out the Battle of The Remains of the Day with all the excitement of marching band practice right on my tabletop!

Thanks for letting me know that AoW has lost its coolness.

Anybody got any shots of the Corruptors individual components? (I have an evil plan percolating!)

I wonder how he's going with the indiegogo stuff that people already paid for months ago like the multiple dwarven units and things like the limited edition standa--- oh, I'm sorry. It's too much, I just can't keep a straight face!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

Mr Gutsy wrote:
I was a little disappointed that the arms and heads were already attached to the torsos though, while it does make assembling them much easier it also removes alot of the character and individualism that comes with posing your own models. Personally I'd much rather AOW go back to producing these new box sets like the original pre-order version of the Warriors of Apoc, where each box came with 20+ unique heads and the models weren't already 70% assembled for you.

The problem with kits like these is that they're made to rank up. Giving you lots of posing opportunities is wasted when to get them to actually rank up, they'll ben in the same positions anyway. The other option is uniquely posing them but they only fit in one set order in the unit, which is a nightmare for setting up.

Might as well buy some Perry Napoleonics, then, if you care more about ranking up than having exciting models. They are the best, most cost-effectively boring models available. Apparently nothing says "chaos" like yawn-stifling conformity. I can't wait to play out the Battle of The Remains of the Day with all the excitement of marching band practice right on my tabletop!

Thanks for letting me know that AoW has lost its coolness.

Are you buying these to put in a block unit to play in a game like Warhammer Fantasy or Kings of War?

Because if you are, I'd love to see your dynamically, individually posed models that rank up perfectly. Please post some pics.

I wasn't saying they have to be boring. But one of the big reasons they had so many peoblems with the Warriors of Apoc kit was the amount of bits. If they sacrifice those bits and make them a bit more static so they can actually cast the models, it's still win win. You get some great models, in some not so dynamic poses, that can actually be used in a game like they were intended, and Avatars of War don't get massively bad customer experiences from people waiting 6 months for a single plastic kit.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Anybody got any shots of the Corruptors individual components? (I have an evil plan percolating!)

http://themarienburggazette.blogspot.ru/

Casts are great, I believe all messy rotten elements were sculpted, as there is an ebay store selling some seperate bitz and IIRC they all look the same as on pics from the blog above.

But the heads are a total mess. Esp musicant.

 scipio.au wrote:
I wonder how he's going with the indiegogo stuff that people already paid for months ago like the multiple dwarven units and things like the limited edition standa--- oh, I'm sorry. It's too much, I just can't keep a straight face!

I don't get your point.

Avatar of War NEVER claimed to release all units in the next weeks. They clearly stated that they are trying to get everything released early 2013. They also said, that they fell behind in shedule and lost a few months, delaying everything into mid 2013.
You clearly have no idea how crowdfunding works.

RoninXiC wrote:
They also said, that they fell behind in shedule and lost a few months, delaying everything into mid 2013.

When did AOW announce this delay? i just checked the IndieGoGo page and their isn't a mention of one. Or did Felix not bother posting important information about the campaign on the IGG page again...

Yes, they never posted that on their project page... which totally sucks monkey balls.
They usually only communicate through facebook and their own forum.

Many supporters and active forum members told AoW many times that AoW should improve their communication skills and do more updates... but they still fail to do so. Which again, sucks monkey balls.

RoninXiC wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:
I wonder how he's going with the indiegogo stuff that people already paid for months ago like the multiple dwarven units and things like the limited edition standa--- oh, I'm sorry. It's too much, I just can't keep a straight face!

I don't get your point.

Avatar of War NEVER claimed to release all units in the next weeks. They clearly stated that they are trying to get everything released early 2013. They also said, that they fell behind in shedule and lost a few months, delaying everything into mid 2013.
You clearly have no idea how crowdfunding works.

Hi there guy. Try not to be so rude, for starters. I probably have a better idea how crowdfunding works than Felix. For example, I know that communication with your backers/customers is key. Since July, I've received a total of two updates from them. Even during the campaign, Felix presented as arrogant and unwilling to either communicate or offer much value. He pissed away his customer goodwill and has shown to be unreliable. This is why his Kickstarter barely eked out $40k in the end, when based on the quality of his sculpting it should have gone well over $100k. The debacle with his not-chaos-warriors pre-orders shows that this is typical behaviour. Great sculptor, awful businessman.

If you want to see "how crowdfunding works", try looking at Mantic Games and their Kings of War or Dreadbowl efforts. Or Dreamforge Miniatures, or Stonehaven Miniatures. Not to mention Reaper. Customer goodwill is worth a lot of money. Providing updates to your customers goes a long way to earning and keeping goodwill. Both IGG and KS offer a mechanism to communicate with your customers with regular updates.

Expecting people to follow your own forums or facebook is arrogant, when it would only take a few minutes each time to update all of your backers. Felix doesn't even bother to upload pictures/updates to the English portion of his own forums as often as he does the Spanish pages. Would I pledge to AoW again? Probably not. Maybe just a small token amount if he offered something like the standard bearer again. Why? Well, if Felix can't be bothered, why should I?

isn't 40k double the amount they set their first goal? That is not "eked out". That is quite a success for sucha small company.

But that's not the point: You said : "I wonder how he's going with the indiegogo stuff that people already paid for months ago like the multiple dwarven units and things like the limited edition standa--- oh, I'm sorry. It's too much, I just can't keep a straight face"

So you clearly made fun out of people who pledged. So who's rude? It's you.

Since the end of the project, they HAVE posted pictures of their two finished units + a drawing of a golemthingy. So they ARE providing some information. It's not a lot,but it's just not true that they aren't saying anything.

RoninXiC wrote:
isn't 40k double the amount they set their first goal? That is not "eked out". That is quite a success for sucha small company.

While 40k isn't exactly horrible in my eyes, for a company as well known as AoW the Dwarf campaign failed to come anywhere close to the amount i was expecting it too reach when they first launched the campaign.

Personally im hoping to see AOW try their hand at a proper Kickstarter campaign in the future, one that focuses on producing units for 4 or so different armies instead of just a single faction. I think if the campaign was run well enough and included both the necessary discounts and freebies it could easily reach 300k+.

A truly successful KS campaign would just do absolute wonders for the AoW range, of course they would need to seriously get their 'Gak' together (And hire a decent PR rep.) long before i could ever see this happening though.

Please do not forget: Indiegogo projects have NEVER in the history of crowdfunding, came even close to kickstarter projects. Never ever.
Most of the money usually comes from the US and they seem to not pledge on european crowdfundingsites like indiegogo.

But yes, AoW should have, could have made a lot more if they had done a better project.

RoninXiC wrote:
isn't 40k double the amount they set their first goal? That is not "eked out". That is quite a success for sucha small company.

But that's not the point: You said : "I wonder how he's going with the indiegogo stuff that people already paid for months ago like the multiple dwarven units and things like the limited edition standa--- oh, I'm sorry. It's too much, I just can't keep a straight face"
So you clearly made fun out of people who pledged. So who's rude? It's you.
Since the end of the project, they HAVE posted pictures of their two finished units + a drawing of a golemthingy. So they ARE providing some information. It's not a lot,but it's just not true that they aren't saying anything.

40k is appallingly small for what AoW should have done given the quality of the figures. I know it, you know it, Felix knows it. I actually pledged as well. I'm making fun of AoW, not the people who pledged. You do seem a more than a little touchy and defensive though. And still rather rude.

Finally, they haven't bothered to use the built-in tools of Indiegogo to keep all their pledgers in the loop or informed. (You know, people who gave them money upfront for products they may take a year to deliver on.) It would take minutes to do so. Instead they are lazy and arrogant, and choose to deliver updates to their pledgers in a way that the people who gave them the $40k have to actively seek out rather than providing their investors with the information to their email box.

 VenomBlood wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Anybody got any shots of the Corruptors individual components? (I have an evil plan percolating!)

http://themarienburggazette.blogspot.ru/

Casts are great, I believe all messy rotten elements were sculpted, as there is an ebay store selling some seperate bitz and IIRC they all look the same as on pics from the blog above.

But the heads are a total mess. Esp musicant.

Thank you, good sir!

Off to the laboratory!

 -Loki- wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Might as well buy some Perry Napoleonics, then, if you care more about ranking up than having exciting models. They are the best, most cost-effectively boring models available. Apparently nothing says "chaos" like yawn-stifling conformity. I can't wait to play out the Battle of The Remains of the Day with all the excitement of marching band practice right on my tabletop!

Thanks for letting me know that AoW has lost its coolness.

Are you buying these to put in a block unit to play in a game like Warhammer Fantasy or Kings of War?

Because if you are, I'd love to see your dynamically, individually posed models that rank up perfectly. Please post some pics.

I wasn't saying they have to be boring. But one of the big reasons they had so many peoblems with the Warriors of Apoc kit was the amount of bits. If they sacrifice those bits and make them a bit more static so they can actually cast the models, it's still win win. You get some great models, in some not so dynamic poses, that can actually be used in a game like they were intended, and Avatars of War don't get massively bad customer experiences from people waiting 6 months for a single plastic kit.

I rarely play these kinds of games, and when I do, it's with friends and we don't get very meticulous about ranking figures up. However, for AoW's prices, I would never buy their models for rank and file. I do love display pieces and characters, though.

Their Notwarriors are cheaper tn GW warriors...

 scipio.au wrote:
Even during the campaign, Felix presented as arrogant and unwilling to either communicate or offer much value. He pissed away his customer goodwill and has shown to be unreliable. This is why his Kickstarter barely eked out $40k in the end, when based on the quality of his sculpting it should have gone well over $100k. The debacle with his not-chaos-warriors pre-orders shows that this is typical behaviour. Great sculptor, awful businessman.

This is why I didn't support, even though I wanted to. I'll eventually get some of the models I want, secondhand. His community interaction and unreliable or disinterest in his own campaign left a bad taste in my mouth. I felt that if the creator had no interest, why should I?

Mr Gutsy wrote:
Personally im hoping to see AOW try their hand at a proper Kickstarter campaign in the future, one that focuses on producing units for 4 or so different armies instead of just a single faction. I think if the campaign was run well enough and included both the necessary discounts and freebies it could easily reach 300k+.

Felix doesn't believe in discounts.

They really need to get their stuff together as they would sell brilliantly imo.

Felix replied

The Warriors will be back in December (2012 is supposed) (not all of them on one go though), the halberdiers for sure, and probably the great weapons later in the month.

http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12328&sid=3596ab76c3593e9ce951a5cf0e52d39a#p12328
He has a cunning plan. But he keeps it as Alpha legionnaire only could.

Dwarf Ironshields are now up




http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=pl05&prodname=Dwarf+Ironshields&id=118&Itemid=114

Damn. I was hoping I wasn't going to be tempted by these...

Add them onto the list.

Bristling with character, lovely.