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2012/12/02 11:52:04
Subject: Re:Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
scarletsquig wrote: I really think you guys could use some more, and better-painted pictures of your product.
Take the basic sand board for instance, all you've got is some 2-second blasts of spraypaint on it. Considering this is going to be your most popular in sales terms board, this isn't good enough and doesn't show off any of the details on it.
You really want to have a basic sand board fully painted, drybrushed, finished with static grass and maybe even shown off with really nicely painted minis on it to have good visual appeal. right now a lot of the paint jobs you've given the boards come across as a little half-assed* aren't showing them off to their full potential.
I kinda agree/disagree...
They show honest photos of the product which matches their slogan 'by gamers for gamers' .
Your right though The should have each board painted up with variations... the desert board painted up in 3 or 4 different schemes to show desert/mars/snow...
scarletsquig wrote: Visuals really, really, really matters on KS and right now I feel like you're a little sub-par with the "vanity shots" of the product itself compared to other gaming kickstarters that I've seen.
*Currently, you just have basic washes, and some basic painting on most of your tiles. What you really want is some careful drybrushing, and then subtle variations in wash tones for different rocks/tiles to add variation and break up the overall surface, before using a second drybrush highlight to bring things back together to the overall base colour).
They have to be careful though if they make some special 'Vanity Shots' / paint scheme variations that are beyond the basic paint schemes
They will have to marked 'for display only' and can't be choosen as prepaints, which might make people suspect bait and switch??
I'll happily paint some up! if they want/need 'painted by customer' type photos for display purposes! If they send me some! *wink wink nudge nudge*
Panic...
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The pictures need to be honest with the detail. We also wanted to show what gamers can do. Not what pro painters can do.
We do have pictures of models and terrain on our Facebook page .
However we will do more videos and pictures showing off the detail of the boards and paint jobs . Through the course of the next few days. Also Games & Gears Battle boards for all gamers is a base. You can put hours of work onto them. Or just a very quick paint job and it will look great on the table top either way.
Best!!
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2012/12/02 12:03:50
Multi-elevation tiles huh? Very interested now! In fact, something just like what psychticstorm posted would be perfect.
[Rant] Also. I have to point out that your last post was the hundredth(!) time that you signed off with "Best!" (not including the "humbly and best!"). Just felt that I had to point out it's kinda lost the goodwill it once had. Perhaps a thesaurus would help expand your farewell vocabulary? Just had to point that out. Sorry! [/Rant]
Also, the custom boards you are offering in the higher pledges. Will they be available for the rest of us to purchase after the kickstarter is over? Seems a shame to go to the trouble of designing them and not seeing if the rest of the gaming community might be interested!
Kickstarter will dertmine the speed of everything and also determine if we wish to pursue development further in this market. So it is in the communities hand. Let the free market dictate.
evey bit of pledge and supports get us and everyone to where we want to be!
Regarding the rant lol. Thanks made us chuckle!!
Regards!!!
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/12/02 15:14:25
It's all about volume for us. Quality is great, detail is great. We want to keep breaking price barriers. As we think the community deserves top quailty without paying the high premiums. Once we start breaking the stretch goals you get even more for your buck.
Thanks Cain, your support means allot. There is allot of things we want to introduce and give the community good real prices. So thanks for your support!!
Cheers!!!
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Demonstration of our highly detailed high quality battle boards.
This message was edited 9 times. Last update was at 2012/12/02 19:01:25
scarletsquig wrote: I really think you guys could use some more, and better-painted pictures of your product.
Take the basic sand board for instance, all you've got is some 2-second blasts of spraypaint on it. Considering this is going to be your most popular in sales terms board, this isn't good enough and doesn't show off any of the details on it.
You really want to have a basic sand board fully painted, drybrushed, finished with static grass and maybe even shown off with really nicely painted minis on it to have good visual appeal. right now a lot of the paint jobs you've given the boards come across as a little half-assed* aren't showing them off to their full potential.
Visuals really, really, really matters on KS and right now I feel like you're a little sub-par with the "vanity shots" of the product itself compared to other gaming kickstarters that I've seen.
*Currently, you just have basic washes, and some basic painting on most of your tiles. What you really want is some careful drybrushing, and then subtle variations in wash tones for different rocks/tiles to add variation and break up the overall surface, before using a second drybrush highlight to bring things back together to the overall base colour).
I just want to admit that at 1st with the sand board I didn't know what I was looking at at... I had to find some of the close up pics to figure out what was going on with the texture.
Better painted examples of the sand board would really help. Sort of like the examples GW gives for their realm of battle board or something. It looks like the Sand board could paint up as asphalt or a open field really nice if someone took the time to.
I know some people asked about rode titles, but to me it looks like if you paint the sand board as asphalt you could then just paint your own roads/markings onto the board after.
The rest of the boards have good paint scemes that show off the textures thow.
=)
edit: Could we get close ups of the other boards also posted up here? I think it would help people here not have to dig for them.
=)
This message was edited 5 times. Last update was at 2012/12/03 01:58:29
2012/12/03 02:27:13
Subject: Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
I just want to admit that at 1st with the sand board I didn't know what I was looking at at... I had to find some of the close up pics to figure out what was going on with the texture.
Better painted examples of the sand board would really help. Sort of like the examples GW gives for their realm of battle board or something. It looks like the Sand board could paint up as asphalt or a open field really nice if someone took the time to.
I know some people asked about rode titles, but to me it looks like if you paint the sand board as asphalt you could then just paint your own roads/markings onto the board after.
The rest of the boards have good paint scemes that show off the textures thow.
=)
edit: Could we get close ups of the other boards also posted up here? I think it would help people here not have to dig for them.
=)
A big spike in funds on the 26th, but comparatively few backers associated with it. Looks like maybe someone (or two or three!) went for the club option?
The disturbing thing here is that it is now trends toward not making it.
It is early, but I think you'd benefit greatly from a more generic SF table option. The SF option you've come up with isn't fitting the bill, I think.
The 800 pound gorilla in the room is 40K, and having a table that fits that more attractively might be a good thing...
Still, quite a few days to go - good luck!
2012/12/03 19:01:35
Subject: Re:Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
Yep 1 £5,000 club level sold that day without that I think this project would dead in the water - it's taken £29 in 3 days even after the grid sheets were added.
I would recommend taking down the current stretch goal table and reworking it a bit only show the next 2 stretch goals as it stands I'm sure people are looking at the £530,000 stretch goal and wondering what the hell is going on when the project hasn't even funded yet it just looks overly ambitious it's good that you've planned it all out but don't reveal so much right now.
I also agree with Alpharius about the Sci fi board this could be a really big seller but the current design is not what people are looking for it's overly complex and looks to repetitive when multiple boards are together it needs a design where the pattern isn't so obvious like the cracked earth and street tiles. I've added 4 to my pledge for variety sake but anymore is just to noticeably repetitive.
I don't mean to overly critical and I'm just trying to steer you in the right direction so hopefully you take the above as constructive criticism - I really do hope this funds as I want to get a cracked earth battle field.
Oh and while I'm at it thank you for stopping the "Best!" sign off that was starting to bug me as well
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2012/12/03 19:45:02
Subject: Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
One design we want to implement is the Dakka Dakka background as panels on our battle board. For Industrial battle, forge world battles, space hulk battle for example.
Is this what everyone is looking more for?? Let us know!
We are also hoping more gaming clubs to follow suit!!
Thanks!!
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Cheers!!
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I think a tile with 1 inch square tiles with diamond plate on it would work well - add some grills, grates, cross patterns and pipes to make them look a little less plain.
or mix up larger and smaller tiles with different patterns some diamond plate some plain add rivets and bolts here and there. So long as the the pattern isn't obvious when multiple boards are used.
Yep agreed sorry that was just intended to show a different type of tile with a cross pattern that can be mixed with other types of tiles I should have been clearer there.
2012/12/03 20:21:47
Subject: Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
No worries - especially as it brings up a good point - they may need to think outside their own particular box and think about a SF board that has 2 or 3 different tiles in order to simulate a future cityscape/street layout/etc.
I hope they can!
2012/12/03 20:22:29
Subject: Re:Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
Something more like thows examples for the sci-fi board would probly make me more interested in the sci-fi texture.
I will point out thow that I find the stone brickwork is probably the most appropriate to fit in with the aesthetic of the 40k citiy buildings and GW's current live-up of 40k terrain.
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2012/12/03 20:33:05
Subject: Re:Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
If we get 100 posts saying "I will pledge for this battle board" We will do it.
The panels will be very similar to this and we will nick name it the "Dakka" Battle Board. If the Dakka community and owners would not mind. Since it is you who are feeding us all these exciting ideas and as gamers/manufacturers we would love to make this. It will be your battle board.
Let us know!!
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/12/03 20:40:59
If we get 100 posts saying "I will pledge for this battle board" We will do it.
The panels will be very similar to this and we will nick name it the "Dakka" Battle Board. If the Dakka community and owners would not mind. Since it is you who are feeding us all these exciting ideas and as gamers/manufacturers we would love to make this. It will be your battle board.
Let us know!!
While easy to do, I don't think they'll get people excitied enough to really boost your campaign - in the end, it too would be too repetitive.
Maybe someone on here can design up a tile or two (or three - not sure how many would be needed to allow for enough good combinations) of a SF 'streets' tile?
Something futuristic enough, yet not some pattern that will make you dizzy/hypnotized when looking at a 4' x 6' board full of it?
2012/12/03 21:10:30
Subject: Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
If we get 100 posts saying "I will pledge for this battle board" We will do it.
The panels will be very similar to this and we will nick name it the "Dakka" Battle Board. If the Dakka community and owners would not mind. Since it is you who are feeding us all these exciting ideas and as gamers/manufacturers we would love to make this. It will be your battle board.
Let us know!!
While easy to do, I don't think they'll get people excitied enough to really boost your campaign - in the end, it too would be too repetitive.
Maybe someone on here can design up a tile or two (or three - not sure how many would be needed to allow for enough good combinations) of a SF 'streets' tile?
Something futuristic enough, yet not some pattern that will make you dizzy/hypnotized when looking at a 4' x 6' board full of it?
I would definitely get something like that. That's exactly the 3d grid pattern I was talking about. Also this sort of design with a cave scheme floor would be great (for super dungeon explore!)
2012/12/03 21:12:42
Subject: Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
If we get 100 posts saying "I will pledge for this battle board" We will do it.
The panels will be very similar to this and we will nick name it the "Dakka" Battle Board. If the Dakka community and owners would not mind. Since it is you who are feeding us all these exciting ideas and as gamers/manufacturers we would love to make this. It will be your battle board.
Let us know!!
While easy to do, I don't think they'll get people excitied enough to really boost your campaign - in the end, it too would be too repetitive.
Maybe someone on here can design up a tile or two (or three - not sure how many would be needed to allow for enough good combinations) of a SF 'streets' tile?
Something futuristic enough, yet not some pattern that will make you dizzy/hypnotized when looking at a 4' x 6' board full of it?
The freaky repeating pattren is my issue with the current Sci-Fi board.
The trick is making a texture that has details to help break up the patten. Make it so all 4 sides any other 4 sides, but then make the texture asymmetrical. That way you can rotate the titles in different directions to break up repeating pattens.
Details like broken deck plates, burn marks, ect are all things you could use to do this.
This should not be too repetitive if you rotate it?
That's getting better, but maybe a bit more randomness? I know this is design-by-committee and that often fails, but hopefully we can get something awesome out of it.
Here's my attempt, using ASCII art
something like that, that has no pattern, the details are broken up, and can be rotated to make some random looking ground, but can also be flipped 180 so that sides can match up (like the bottom ####'s could match up to a tile turned 180 so it's #### is on the top)
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2012/12/03 21:56:50
Subject: Re:Games & Gears Kickstarter: Gaming battle boards that fit you and your needs!
This should not be too repetitive if you rotate it?
Maybe. But you run the risk of getting too busy, again. Personally, I don't want my game board to visually overpower the game I'm playing. And, in this case, it would start to look like a repetative scrap yard. Or a metals plant showcasing what textures they can provide. That's why I love the cobble stone pattern. Simple and versatile.
My vote, FWIW, is for a simple, grid-based, diamond plate pattern with occassional vents (square and round) of varying sizes to break things up. By nature of the grid, rotating won't be a problem.
Maybe even add some sort of random, recessed pipe or conduit ...
See these pics for examples of texture and recessed piping in a sci-fi style that isn't too busy. This would also allow the end-user to paint to their tastes ... clean Star Warsy or Rusty post apocalypsy.
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Just had to point that out. Sorry! [/Rant]
