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For those interested, Miniature Market still has the revised core set of Dust for $40.00. That's the cheapest I've seen it. Supposedly they still have quite a few copies too.

Too bad nobody wants to give it a go with me.

$40 is a STEAL for that box. It has decent play value, self contained, as is, for the price, but more-so its an awesome starting point to build from.

I mean, I play Malifaux, and expect to get... oh... six models, maybe one is 40mm for that price, whereas the Dust Revised Starter gets you more than quadruple that, especially considering the awesome walkers.

It feels weird because i'm simultaneously ragging on this awful Kickstarter, but wanting to support the amazing game.

You can do both!

The game may be fun, the miniatures (especially the walkers) may be nice, but the Kickstarter can still be a 'bad deal'.

Yeah, even though this KS has been a PR nightmare, the game itself is still loads of fun. If/when everything blows up or fizzles out and dies (starting to feel more like a "when" these days) at least we'll still have a great game and figures to use.

~Tim?

Oh, I know Alpharius... It just feels weird. You'd think as a 40k player i'd be familiar with the dicotomy of "I love the game, and loath the publisher". :-p

I guess i'm just a touch heart-broken. Maybe working for Mantic has spoiled me, but I know the value of going all-in... and letting ambition even exceed your grasp a little, when it comes to launching a game.

I love Dust, and it both deserves to be, and could be a wildly played game, and a major player in our hobby... if the stewards of it just tried a bit harder.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
$40 is a STEAL for that box. It has decent play value, self contained, as is, for the price, but more-so its an awesome starting point to build from.

What do you get in that box? I went to MM and did not really see a parts/miniature list..

 porkuslime wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
$40 is a STEAL for that box. It has decent play value, self contained, as is, for the price, but more-so its an awesome starting point to build from.

What do you get in that box? I went to MM and did not really see a parts/miniature list..

1 Blackhawk Walker
1 Rhino Hero
5 Hell Boys Soldiers
5 Death Dealers Soldiers
3 The Hammers Soldiers
1 Hans Walker
1 Lara Hero
5 Sturmpioniere Soldiers
3 Heavy Laser Grenadiers Soldiers
3 Heavy Flak Grenadiers Soldiers

It use to be that you could only get the walkers from this starter set, I don't know if thats changed or not though.

Have they said anything about Dust Warfare? Or is that just dead?

 Twelvecarpileup wrote:
Have they said anything about Dust Warfare? Or is that just dead?

If you click on their name on the kickstarter, you'll see their individual comments and there is an interesting bit there that was at least news to me as a casual observer of this game.

The core rules belong to FFG games until they have sold every single copy of them and then they revert to Paolo so he can choose what to do next. BF has no ability to change this so we are supporting it, making cards, giving away free campaign material and doing our best to keep it alive. Warfare is ours to support but unlike Tactics that we are tasked with managing directly it will rest with FFG for the foreseeable future.

I don't know if that is "news" to those who follow it more regularly but it doesn't give me personally much hope in battlefront doing anything more than cards on the warfare front.

edit: forgot the link...

https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/duststudio/comments

 Twelvecarpileup wrote:
Have they said anything about Dust Warfare? Or is that just dead?

Cards (aka stat updates) with every release and every new model, and supplements as they come. I think they're doing the supplements for free.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Twelvecarpileup wrote:
Have they said anything about Dust Warfare? Or is that just dead?

Cards (aka stat updates) with every release and every new model, and supplements as they come. I think they're doing the supplements for free.

I would characterize Warfare as being on life support. It's in a precarious position. Paolo never liked it, Battlefront is limited on what they can do with it because of licensing, and they can't just kill it as the game's margins are too slim to loose the Warfare players.

Battlegrounds is the answer to that I believe

BF can't say or do anything that undermines FFG's remaining stock. That we know. So regardless of whether BF intends to kill Warfare or release 2nd edition, they can't tell us yet. Thus leaving a void filled with everyone's hopes, fears, and groundless speculation.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Battlegrounds is the answer to that I believe

Is that the boardgame/wargame hybrid?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Battlegrounds is the answer to that I believe

Yeah, except if you happen to actually like Warfare as a self contained game. Battlefront seems to want it both ways. Either have the stones to kill Warfare and get people to play Battlegrounds, or buy the rules and remaining stock off of FFG to support Warfare properly.

That would probably depend on the amount of FFG stock and BF's future plans. Why buy it if they plan to update or kill it?

Well this is a thing...

150k, 225k and 300k are free ones with add-ons in between. We will get a little more ahead each day and show things further in advance but each one must be done as a separate update and you can only do one at a time so James is typing as fast as he can and the rest of the team are feeding him images and graphics as he needs them.

My guess is this KS is never going to reach the level of actually being a good deal and is going to quietly fade into irrelevance.

Took the plunge and ordered myself up a core set and a few extra squads of axis junk, along with an allies fuchikoma tank.

Was not aware that there were pile driving, rocket tossing, killer apes on the loose.

Hope to get in a game or two before the KS ends, or before I end up back in Japan. Not sure which will actually occur first.

-dumb question, but have there ever been talks of a Japanese Dust army at some point?

 CaulynDarr wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Twelvecarpileup wrote:
Have they said anything about Dust Warfare? Or is that just dead?

Cards (aka stat updates) with every release and every new model, and supplements as they come. I think they're doing the supplements for free.

I would characterize Warfare as being on life support. It's in a precarious position. Paolo never liked it, Battlefront is limited on what they can do with it because of licensing, and they can't just kill it as the game's margins are too slim to loose the Warfare players.

If that were the case they wouldn't bother putting the warfare cards in with all the new releases. Here's a bit from the #10 update on the KS. "Dust Warfare players - we haven't forgotten you guys, but we don't have images of the cards for these available yet. Don't worry, though, they will be ready quite soon, and you can rest assured that every model for Operation Babylon will come with its card for both Tactics and Warfare."

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Took the plunge and ordered myself up a core set and a few extra squads of axis junk, along with an allies fuchikoma tank.

Was not aware that there were pile driving, rocket tossing, killer apes on the loose.

Hope to get in a game or two before the KS ends, or before I end up back in Japan. Not sure which will actually occur first.

-dumb question, but have there ever been talks of a Japanese Dust army at some point?

No plans for Japanese faction. Japanese are currently a subset of the Axis, and they have a few re-badged Axis walkers on the Dust Models site.

What ever happened to bringing in the Vril, or whatever the aliens were called? I thought that was going to be the next step in the game's story.

They need to add some more funk to this one. Maybe some mummies or mutated Axis giant scorpions with mounted machine guns. Or some Soviet Cyborg tank-men. SOMETHING

Battle Accountants.


I'd buy them.

 Moopy wrote:


If that were the case they wouldn't bother putting the warfare cards in with all the new releases. Here's a bit from the #10 update on the KS. "Dust Warfare players - we haven't forgotten you guys, but we don't have images of the cards for these available yet. Don't worry, though, they will be ready quite soon, and you can rest assured that every model for Operation Babylon will come with its card for both Tactics and Warfare."

That's the bare minimum though. I've heard that the warfare play-testing is minimal, and they haven't done anything in terms of enhancing or maintaining the core rules.

Like I said, they can't afford to loose the warfare players, but there aren't in a position to support it properly. I'm sure they would rather all the Warfare players switch to Battlefields.

 Barzam wrote:
What ever happened to bringing in the Vril, or whatever the aliens were called? I thought that was going to be the next step in the game's story.

They need to add some more funk to this one. Maybe some mummies or mutated Axis giant scorpions with mounted machine guns. Or some Soviet Cyborg tank-men. SOMETHING

They just need to add a couple more factions. My brother was already pissed as all hell when every new Axis model for a year was either zombies or gorillas.

If they added Vril and gave Ryu some Chi-ro, Chi-ha, Chi-nu based walkers instead of German castoffs, that'd be great.

They have said, in the past that Vril and Japanese would be full factions at some point. I can't help but believe that if the game had done better that we would've easily seen them by now. As it stands they're a white-whale, and Paolo will just occassionally mention that he still really wants to do them.

Plus, I want him to do them, so I can have my inevitable, cheap, "Not-a-Riptide". :-p

Meanwhile... how about those freebies huh?

So... for a BONUS as a backer of MSRP priced, direct-sales product... I get the option that until RIGHT NOW, was a standard, free option, with every single kit i've purchased.

Terrific. Its almost a comically bad deal when they try to make the stretch-goal bonuses things I have already had.

Speaking of which... that last "free" Allied hero in the new goals looks conspicuously like Bazooka Joe... again. :-p

It could be me, but when I do the math, that $150 KS army deal is as expensive as the preorder at Wayland Games (at the 10% discount), only Wayland includes shipping. And your not telling me that Dust is making an army deal without at least one hero included?

I'm not even talking about the value compared to the previous Dust Tactics starters, but the price of the KS army deal buys me three starters at full retail. That's also including specialty dice and a basic rulebook. 1 Walker, 2 infantry units and 1 hero. So a bigger armydeal at $150 I would expect at least 3 walkers (check!), 6 units (bleep!) and 3 hero's (bleep!). Maybe if the KS ever gets to this level for the army deals I might be tempted...

I also get the distinct impression that they are trying to sell existing fans a new army but with doing as little new miniatures as possible (the basic infantry wears less/no winter gear?), all the tanks and heavy units are not even repaints as we get them primed...

Don't get me wrong I like the idea of Dust, it always reminds me of dp9's Gear Krieg, it just never took off...

I'm half tempted to buy a couple of boxes of Dreamforge Stormtroopers you get 10 for the same price as you got 5 Dust troopers, they also have 30mm bases... Would make excellent Germans ;-)
Now if/when that DF Black Widow comes out in plastic Paolo is going to cry ;-)

 CaulynDarr wrote:

 Moopy wrote:


If that were the case they wouldn't bother putting the warfare cards in with all the new releases. Here's a bit from the #10 update on the KS. "Dust Warfare players - we haven't forgotten you guys, but we don't have images of the cards for these available yet. Don't worry, though, they will be ready quite soon, and you can rest assured that every model for Operation Babylon will come with its card for both Tactics and Warfare."

That's the bare minimum though. I've heard that the warfare play-testing is minimal, and they haven't done anything in terms of enhancing or maintaining the core rules.

Like I said, they can't afford to loose the warfare players, but there aren't in a position to support it properly. I'm sure they would rather all the Warfare players switch to Battlefields.

Until we can quantify what you heard soundly, its rumors.

They I see it is this: when a company releases a product they want it to make a splash. They're not going to tout up other projects in the works as much because they want to get the most bang for their buck in the current release. That's not saying they're not working on the next release, it's that they're just not talking about it. If you want a 40k example it would be players saying GW is killing off orks because they're not talking about orks during an Eldar release.

To me there's a difference betweening shelving a project and not talking about a project. They said Warfare is still in the works, I'll believe that until proven that they're not. If that happens I'll be super pissed because they fooled me, but I'm not jumping to that point yet.

 Moopy wrote:
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If you want a 40k example it would be players saying GW is killing off orks because they're not talking about orks during an Eldar release.

At one point GW certainly talked about Orks during an Eldar release, they don't now because 40k is a 25+ year brand where we know the score. There will always be another Ork release and a new edition...

The problem here is that Dust is now in the hands of a third licensor (AEG, => FFG => BF) and the magic eight-ball says "Future unsure", that's why a lot of folks are being so antsy regarding dust because they don't know if BF is even planning to have Dust around for their next edition...

This KS isn't helping, the Dust/BF guys have either not researched other miniatures KS or are letting their BF 'arrogance' lead them on, and after I read some of the comments I think "Both!"...

The ork/eldar example was pulled out of the air. The point was currently they don't talk about one product during another product release. I've seen this with many other companies.

@Cergorach, do you have any more info on The Black Widow? Release date or price...it may make Paolo cry but I smiled.