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 ansacs wrote:

 tomjoad wrote:
Geez, if there only was some way to transmit, at the speed of light, your army list to a TO before the event, so they can scan them to find any such illegalities...well, maybe someday.

Keep in mind this event is pretty big. It is impractical to proof the hundreds of army lists the BAO would get, no matter how fast you transmit your list. Just imagine if you (alone) had to proof over a 100 lists each drawing from among a dozen different books...ouch.

I know. I was at the BAO. If they can't require list submission and check them over in the week or so before the event...well, that's near the top of my list of reasons I won't be returning to any big tournaments any time soon. Encouraging people to cheat (and not checking lists DOES encourage cheating, you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise) might not bother you, but it does bother me.

I used to be a Magic judge, and we were somehow able to check literally 100's of decklists for legality during the first round of a tournament every time, so you can't tell me that it's impossible to require submission a week or so before an event and just give them a once over.

 ansacs wrote:

 tomjoad wrote:
Geez, if there only was some way to transmit, at the speed of light, your army list to a TO before the event, so they can scan them to find any such illegalities...well, maybe someday.

Keep in mind this event is pretty big. It is impractical to proof the hundreds of army lists the BAO would get, no matter how fast you transmit your list. Just imagine if you (alone) had to proof over a 100 lists each drawing from among a dozen different books...ouch.

But its an event with a hefty price tag.

A tag close to what I pay to run big name marathons or ultra marathons...now if I flew to a city, ran in an event to win it or my age group and the race organizer let my main opponents cheat in some meaningful way, I'd certainly want my money back. The responsibility of policing the course is on the people holding the event.

To be fair, the BAO was the very first major tournament of 7th. It was literally like a 1-2 months just after the new edition came out. Not only did the Frontline guys have to watch out for lists, but they had to be the first to come out with a 7th Ed. FAQ, deal with all of the supplements and new books/online material coming out and playtest their mission scenarios. Not only that, but they are the 1st major tournament to allow Forgeworld in their tournaments, so now they have an extra layer of complexity to deal with/keep up with. In short, there was just too much stuff going on and they didn't really have a whole lot of time to do some major playtesting.

To compound on the problem, a lot of players didn't really understand how to build lists in 7th, what with all the formations coming out, allies, factions, Imperial Knights and Forgeworld. I look at this tournament more as a test bed for all these changes. Mistakes were bound to happen, but the main thing was that the event ran smoothly and everyone (or most everyone) had a good time.

However, I'd expect future Frontline events to tighten up on these types of mistakes. The first one (after 7th), I'd give them the benefit of the doubt as it was such a huge change in such a short amount of time. After that, I expect them to do better.

Cool batrep, weird to see a Salamanders drop list without Vulkan. I'm always pleased to see how you pull draws or wins out of games where your dice are really cold.

 jy2 wrote:
But the tank that worries me the most is the Whirlwind Scorpius. I was told by my opponent that it fires D3+1 S8 AP3 blasts and get this....it ignores cover! WOW!

The Scorpius doesn't ignore cover, I don't know where your opponent was getting that idea.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Cool batrep, weird to see a Salamanders drop list without Vulkan. I'm always pleased to see how you pull draws or wins out of games where your dice are really cold.

 jy2 wrote:
But the tank that worries me the most is the Whirlwind Scorpius. I was told by my opponent that it fires D3+1 S8 AP3 blasts and get this....it ignores cover! WOW!

The Scorpius doesn't ignore cover, I don't know where your opponent was getting that idea.

I believe it is some type of special rule that you can buy for your tanks, but maybe 1 per army? Like a unique wargear or something. I believe it may be in the end of the Imperial Armour book and not actually under the options of the tank itself.

I can't find it anywhere in the books I own, but Forgeworld rules are so scattered about that it wouldn't surprise me if something obscure like that existed somewhere.

jy2 wrote:

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Cool batrep, weird to see a Salamanders drop list without Vulkan. I'm always pleased to see how you pull draws or wins out of games where your dice are really cold.

 jy2 wrote:
But the tank that worries me the most is the Whirlwind Scorpius. I was told by my opponent that it fires D3+1 S8 AP3 blasts and get this....it ignores cover! WOW!

The Scorpius doesn't ignore cover, I don't know where your opponent was getting that idea.

I believe it is some type of special rule that you can buy for your tanks, but maybe 1 per army? Like a unique wargear or something. I believe it may be in the end of the Imperial Armour book and not actually under the options of the tank itself.

DanielBeaver wrote:I can't find it anywhere in the books I own, but Forgeworld rules are so scattered about that it wouldn't surprise me if something obscure like that existed somewhere.

IA2 Second edition, the space marine book, towards the back.

Legacies of war. Scorpius + legacy of war is going to cost ~150-160 points.

Edit; the illegality of multiple relic vehicle without a master of the forge is easy to understand, he probably thought the techmarine was enough or mistook MotF for techmarine.

Thanks for the clarification, Carnage. Good to know.