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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw that Paolo ran his mouth, but I'm sorry that I'm not familiar with Dust to the point that I would have seen what was new. Which pictures showed the new product currently under development? Was it the wishlisting for something to happen a few years from now?

Only the last couple of photos on the interview page had some new stuff. Here you can find some more photos of models not yet released if you are interested.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Paolo isn't independently wealthy to the point that he can fund development, tooling, production and distribution of new product.

I don't know anything about Paolo' s personal finances, or the finances of Dust Studio. Perhaps you could enlighten me if you have specific information, based on facts?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
And it's not like anybody would give him money via Kickstarter after the latest debacle.

I agree. The whole Kickstarter mess is terrible, and I hope they stay away from it in the future.

I think the whole BF/DS brouhaha shows pretty clearly that Dust is financially unsound, or they would have already brought such product to market.

The KS mess *is* terrible, and I expect people will stay away from Dust.

MaGoff wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw that Paolo ran his mouth, but I'm sorry that I'm not familiar with Dust to the point that I would have seen what was new. Which pictures showed the new product currently under development? Was it the wishlisting for something to happen a few years from now?

Only the last couple of photos on the interview page had some new stuff. Here you can find some more photos of models not yet released if you are interested.

And who is going to distribute these? Anyone? Who would take that risk?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

MaGoff wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I saw that Paolo ran his mouth, but I'm sorry that I'm not familiar with Dust to the point that I would have seen what was new. Which pictures showed the new product currently under development? Was it the wishlisting for something to happen a few years from now?

Only the last couple of photos on the interview page had some new stuff. Here you can find some more photos of models not yet released if you are interested.

And who is going to distribute these? Anyone? Who would take that risk?

That would be the legions of independently wealthy (but exceedingly stupid) local game store owners, flush with cash, who weren't burned by previous orders of Dust that got the bottom pulled out by the FFG liquidation.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


And who is going to distribute these? Anyone? Who would take that risk?

I'd rather buy him out, bring DUST back over into the U.S. and make a kick ass IP out of it. This could easily be the next Warmachine or Malifaux if this was in the right hands. Paolo had his time with it and blew it. Time to sell it off PP.

Well, I really want one of the Axis fliers there, the VTOL. Now must be the time to get one.

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
And who is going to distribute these? Anyone? Who would take that risk?

I'd rather buy him out, bring DUST back over into the U.S. and make a kick ass IP out of it. This could easily be the next Warmachine or Malifaux if this was in the right hands. Paolo had his time with it and blew it. Time to sell it off PP.

The problem is that Paolo has a hugely inflated value of what he thinks Dust is worth, so you couldn't pay him enough, despite the property being worth the minimum $1, at most. And that's only if you don't have to take on the nonsense with FFG and KS and BF. If you have to start your Dust ownership by fixing those messes, you're doomed.

Can someone explain the kickstarter thing to me?

Read here.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/633537.page

It's a lot of pages.

Dust is PP's baby, so of course he's going to fight for it tooth and nail, kicking and screaming all the way.

I got the big starter box just as they switched to the smaller set. Played it a handful of times and that was that.

Then last week I was talking to a friend who asked if I had heard about dust, we got the set out and played 4 games in an evening and by the time we had finished he had a full Russian force from eBay for very cheap

A few guys at the gaming club were also interested, seems like now is a good time to get back into it with all the discounted stock and people running from it.

Dust hast been dead pretty much for months now.
However, now there is a chance at resurrection. Will it come back from the dead? Maybe, there are games that were in far, far worse positions than Dust right now, namely: They didn't have a person behind them with the know how, contacts and drive to actually keep going. And yet, they came back. Might happen for Dust too.
Dust has never been big and it's not like it missed any final train. Yes, people will be pissed off, but at the same time quite a lot of people have never really heard about it. So, the potential for a comeback is real. Question is: Will they be able to give the people what they want?

 BrookM wrote:
Dust
is PP's baby, so of course he's going to fight for it tooth and nail, kicking and screaming all the way.

Yeah...He DROPPED the baby, so he's abused his child. Time to let go.

There seems to be plenty of support out there for Dust Tactics

Floris wrote:
There seems to be plenty of support out there for Dust Tactics

And Tactics is a fringe game. Warfare almost, alllllllmost got Dust into the mainstream. Such a bummer.

It now appears that DUST can't even pay for assemblers in its factory, so they're selling the models unassembled.

The problem is that Paolo wants Dust to be a boardgame, but assembly is the kiss of death for any boardgame. If Paolo misunderstands his market to this extent, Dust is done.

If Palo would get his head out of his fourth point of contact, Dust would be a great GW alternative.

I really liked them, but the state of the switcheroo really crapped on my cornflakes with the game.

BTW, that magazine looks great, I'll be using that stuff in Incursion, and SOTR.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It now appears that DUST can't even pay for assemblers in its factory, so they're selling the models unassembled.

The problem is that Paolo wants Dust to be a boardgame, but assembly is the kiss of death for any boardgame. If Paolo misunderstands his market to this extent, Dust is done.

Is that a change from the normal models? I was under the impression that the larger stuff was partially assembled... or are you referring to smaller things like infantry or the tiny walkers needing assembly now?


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 Grot 6 wrote:

BTW, that magazine looks great, I'll be using that stuff in Incursion, and SOTR.

But apparently not SOTR 2 from what I read as that KS was cancelled. It's a bad year so far for the bumper crop of wierd war II games.

You know, I think the game could be more original if they advanced the timeline by a great deal, then relaunched.

Keep a little bit of the WW2 feel, but make it more scifi, 50 years of warfare in the future.

 warboss wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It now appears that DUST can't even pay for assemblers in its factory, so they're selling the models unassembled.

The problem is that Paolo wants Dust to be a boardgame, but assembly is the kiss of death for any boardgame. If Paolo misunderstands his market to this extent, Dust is done.

Is that a change from the normal models? I was under the impression that the larger stuff was partially assembled... or are you referring to smaller things like infantry or the tiny walkers needing assembly now?

It is. Dust is offering completely unassembled, unpainted models vs fully/partially-assembled, basecoated models today.

Can you provide a link to that? It's not that I don't believe you but rather I just want to see it.

The Taco had it up yesterday:



http://www.gamewire.belloflostsouls.net/new-releases-dust-plastic-model-kit/

Ah, thanks. I'm ok with that actually but I would hope that they'd cut a bit off the retail price like 10% in that case.. The base coat is incredibly easy and I'd personally prefer to pose my big stompy robots myself.. if I were to get into dust which I won't. I also didn't know that the minis were officially 1:48 scale instead of officially measured in the "mm" scale. It's a bit of a fun fact for me.

Not sure why they are bothering with this. They aren't a serious wargame - now more than ever, with their wargame rules either dead or unsupported. This is not want board-gamers really want, so why even offer this? Seems like a potential cost-cutting measure if they move their whole line over to it and phase out the pre-primed and premium options, though that is just my conjecture.

In the end, I think they need to just throw in the towel for now and re-launch in a few years maybe. Just to let the bad taste get out of people's mouths from the BF transition and Kickstarter fiasco.

Maybe a token "we tried" attempt to go along with those fan licensed wargame specific rules they talked about a few weeks back?

I'm not convinced that this means that all dust minis will be kits from here on out. There have been kit versions of some DUST models available for several months now.

 warboss wrote:
Maybe a token "we tried" attempt to go along with those fan licensed wargame specific rules they talked about a few weeks back?

If so, that is the typical approach to anything that isn't Dust Tactics. Half-assery.

Though maybe it has to do with the model-builder types that I used to see on the Dust FB group. Lots of converters and stuff on there who will eat this up.

And yea, "fan licensed" makes me chuckle. Basically, washed their hands of it. I wouldn't want to be that guy working on it, because that Warfare community got to be pretty toxic after a while and I can't imagine it has changed any.

DUST Studios has offered different kits and premium models on their own site for a while, it has nothing to do with their regular 'Pre-Built and Primed' line. Take a gander through their site, they even sell limited edition models and gear for the tanks. They have tank pilots and riders too.

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:


And who is going to distribute these? Anyone? Who would take that risk?

I'd rather buy him out, bring DUST back over into the U.S. and make a kick ass IP out of it. This could easily be the next Warmachine or Malifaux if this was in the right hands. Paolo had his time with it and blew it. Time to sell it off PP.

Why? It's a well anyone can drink from. It's already halfway written and designed. It's sci-fi based on WW2 or painted illustrations on the tops of WW2 model kit boxes.

It's just Weird War II 2-fisted pulp stuff, a la AE WWII, SotTR/Incursion, Gear Krieg, Projekt X, Clockwork Goblin, (and to a lesser 'pure style' or only in some factions sense 40K, AT-43, SF3D/MacK, Alterra, Dreamforge EisenKern)

You get a book of "weird stuff they talked about or tried in WW2" like iceberg carriers, rocket gliders, land cruisers like the Ratt, or flying castle-super bombers, armored mega-blimps, subs with centipede legs...then you crap out some boxy turreted gun-armed mechs with rivets, put a hanomag or an M4 on legs and the stuff practically writes itself. Don't forget the stalhelms.

Usually it's an alt universe where a secret breakthrough invention, alien tech, or 'something from beyond' prolongs the war and lots of weird but familiar tech gets developed. And if you can get some hollow earth, zombies, dinosaurs, and a tripod in there, good on ya.

Dust seems to have merely blended the WW2 basics with over the top 'Metal Hurlant/Humanoids Publishing style'cheesecake. Most of the designs look like derivatives of AT-43 which seems to have been an earlier iteration of Paolo's WW2 concept that got turned into something else at the last second. A lot of people say that AT-43 was not After Trauma-43 originally but Alternate Timeline -43 and The Union was the Allies, the Red Bloc were the Soviets(the KV-47 walker sure looks a lot like the Kolossus armor) , and most of the Axis designs which were zombie-ish got shifted to ONI, a 2nd wave faction based on a ruthless and ghoulish mercenary corporation that wanted to spread a parasitic intelligent disease as much as possible. The gorillas (Vootie!) got their own space faction complete with astronaut bubble helms.

But there are pretty stark parallels between the two lines both in materials and design because they share a designer who was drinking from the WeirdWW2 well early on.

palaeomerus wrote:


Dust seems to have merely blended the WW2 basics with over the top 'Metal Hurlant/Humanoids Publishing style'cheesecake. Most of the designs look like derivatives of AT-43 which seems to have been an earlier iteration of Paolo's WW2 concept that got turned into something else at the last second. A lot of people say that AT-43 was not After Trauma-43 originally but Alternate Timeline -43 and The Union was the Allies, the Red Bloc were the Soviets(the KV-47 walker sure looks a lot like the Kolossus armor) , and most of the Axis designs which were zombie-ish got shifted to ONI, a 2nd wave faction based on a ruthless and ghoulish mercenary corporation that wanted to spread a parasitic intelligent disease as much as possible. The gorillas (Vootie!) got their own space faction complete with astronaut bubble helms.

But there are pretty stark parallels between the two lines both in materials and design because they share a designer who was drinking from the WeirdWW2 well early on.

I heard that too. At-43 was supposed to be similar to what Dust became but ended up being more sci-fi-ish and PP thought the alternate history idea was good and did it himself.