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**FoxPhoenix135**

I've been playing all these pretty much as the FAQ clarified, though it is nice to be backed up by the FAQ lol.

It is a little strange that Dark Apotheosis doesn't trigger the axe, but the Bloodthirster does. Seems inconsistent. I am ok with this though, as I rarely used the Dark Apotheosis anyway.

**SicSemperTyrannis**

I would prefer The Korlath Axe not triggering at all on Apotheosis or Fury instead of losing half of my blood tithe generation when getting blown to bits.

:sigh: Atleast we can chose if summoned FMC´s arrive gliding or swooping.

**chaosmarauder**

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I've been playing all these pretty much as the FAQ clarified, though it is nice to be backed up by the FAQ lol.

It is a little strange that Dark Apotheosis doesn't trigger the axe, but the Bloodthirster does. Seems inconsistent. I am ok with this though, as I rarely used the Dark Apotheosis anyway.

With dark apotheosis - the lord turns into a demon prince and is still holding the axe - noone dies so nothing triggers the axe to explode into a thirster. It didn't make sense before to have an axe explode into a thirster and the demon prince still hold the axe (there is only 1 korlath axe)

If you turn the korlath axe holding lord into a thirster, he actually is sacrificed to bring in the thirster and doesn't turn into one. So in that case the lords death causes the axe to unleash korlath AND the summoned thirster comes in - so you get 2 thirsters.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

Yeah, nothing changes for me either.

Having a laugh about the MWG Dave comment, though. I noticed he will be pretty sneaky about many things going in his favor. Cocked dice, retroactively rolling things he forgot about, etc.

IMO, the "because there's a comma" excuse was always pretty flimsy for characters generating a tithe when they got shot to death. Seemed pretty clear from the get-go it was related to fighting challenges.

Re: Fist of Khorne: Don't tell the folks at YMDC that the issue is resolved, though. There's your proof that some people will argue for the sake of arguing and refuse to admit that they're wrong. (Please see the YMDC thread if you want to disagree/argue about it. This thread is not the place.)

**FoxPhoenix135**

chaosmarauder wrote:
FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
I've been playing all these pretty much as the FAQ clarified, though it is nice to be backed up by the FAQ lol.

It is a little strange that Dark Apotheosis doesn't trigger the axe, but the Bloodthirster does. Seems inconsistent. I am ok with this though, as I rarely used the Dark Apotheosis anyway.

With dark apotheosis - the lord turns into a demon prince and is still holding the axe - noone dies so nothing triggers the axe to explode into a thirster. It didn't make sense before to have an axe explode into a thirster and the demon prince still hold the axe (there is only 1 korlath axe)

If you turn the korlath axe holding lord into a thirster, he actually is sacrificed to bring in the thirster and doesn't turn into one. So in that case the lords death causes the axe to unleash korlath AND the summoned thirster comes in - so you get 2 thirsters.

Ah that totally makes sense then. Like I said... I haven't even used Dark Apotheosis so I wasn't sure of the wording. I've always been using my CSM lord for double Bloodthirsters though... it always has been glorious. I like it because it's a ticking clock that my opponent has to deal with... either they have to take him out like I want them to, and can't ignore him, or I'll generate enough points to sacrifice him and watch him turn into two rage monsters. I usually splurge the extra 25 points for the sigil of corruption for this reason... he is a threat too big to ignore.

**chaosmarauder**

Yes and now we have full blessing to have the 2 thirsters come in gliding mode....sweet

**sfshilo**

So I thought I'd share some insites I've had recently in a small 950 game that I thought could be REALLY useful to all of us KDK players against highly mobile armies.

So Eldar, we all hate them, scatter laser bikes are annoying, space marine bike armies are also annoying, you get the idea.

So I faced off against a eldar scat bike list this weekend and found a really fun way to counter them besides khorne dogs....the skull cannon.

Now that we live in a world with one grenade per squad, and the skull cannons are now WS5 chariots with no riders and av 12, and they can move 12 and assault, maybe you can see where this is going.

I've had issues with khorne dogs not lasting long in these matchups, but the skull cannon, oh my, 125 points is now tying up that death star almost permanently, not to mention throwing out a crap ton of attacks on the charge. (Against Eldar that S7 HoW double tough is awsome, especially against invisible units)

It seems small, but in my matchup for example I was able to tie up all of his two death stars with two cannons, even winning one due to a lucky fear check gone wrong for him.

Enjoy the look on their face when you perma tarpit due to AV 12, they are also able to wade into fire pretty well with 3 HP and that invuln save. (Plus with allies its easy to boost that invuln)

**whembly**

So now that the hellforged hunting pack all get BFTBG...

How would the Blood Tithe work with these guys?

I have all the models needed to make a hunting pack, I just don't have the Demon Kin book yet...

**CrownAxe**

whembly wrote:
So now that the hellforged hunting pack all get BFTBG...

How would the Blood Tithe work with these guys?

I have all the models needed to make a hunting pack, I just don't have the Demon Kin book yet...

The same way it did before except the Brass Scorpion and Blood Slaughterers generate blood tithe now also

**Captyn_Bob**

So looking at the tithe table

1: Adamantium will.. potentially useful if you are facing a lot of witchfire
2: furious charge and rage.. if you don't have it anyway, rage can be handy
3: FNP, no use to the pack as all vehicles.
4: + 1 attack. Why not. The pack can get a Lot of attacks.
5. Yes please, bloodletters or fleshhounds for tactical objective grabbing/holding
6: As per 5. I hear hellcannons are good.
7/8 Can't use as have no mortal champions.

**Ignatius**

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:

:sigh: Atleast we can chose if summoned FMC´s arrive gliding or swooping.

Is this in the general rule book FAQ?

**whembly**

Captyn_Bob wrote:
So looking at the tithe table

1: Adamantium will.. potentially useful if you are facing a lot of witchfire
2: furious charge and rage.. if you don't have it anyway, rage can be handy
3: FNP, no use to the pack as all vehicles.
4: + 1 attack. Why not. The pack can get a Lot of attacks.
5. Yes please, bloodletters or fleshhounds for tactical objective grabbing/holding
6: As per 5. I hear hellcannons are good.
7/8 Can't use as have no mortal champions.

Hmmm.... maybe I ought to pick up that book then. Thanks!

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CrownAxe wrote:
whembly wrote:
So now that the hellforged hunting pack all get BFTBG...

How would the Blood Tithe work with these guys?

I have all the models needed to make a hunting pack, I just don't have the Demon Kin book yet...

The same way it did before except the Brass Scorpion and Blood Slaughterers generate blood tithe now also

Neato and thanks!

I'm sure the Scorpion would have no issues generating blood tithes now.

**Captyn_Bob**

Ignatius wrote:
SicSemperTyrannis wrote:

:sigh: Atleast we can chose if summoned FMC´s arrive gliding or swooping.

Is this in the general rule book FAQ?

Yes.

**Ignatius**

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Ignatius wrote:
SicSemperTyrannis wrote:

:sigh: Atleast we can chose if summoned FMC´s arrive gliding or swooping.

Is this in the general rule book FAQ?

Yes.

Awesome. Thanks. I suppose this is a significant boon for KDK. The two turn turn around time for bringing in Bloodthirsters was pretty debilitating. With this now only being a one turn problem I'll have to see if it is at all more viable to try.

**AlmightyWalrus**

How do people deal with AV14 like Battlewagons? I know Orks are in a tough spot right now, but I'd rather not have to assault a Battlewagon full of Meganobz in order to crack it open, because Meganobz will brutally murder most of our units in CC. I'm guessing the answer is "meltabikes" as usual, right?

**ZergSmasher**

Another option is melta Raptors...

One way of doing it in assault would be to surround the Battlewagon with hounds or something and then attack it. You hit the rear armor and hullpoint it out (just don't blow it up!). Meganobz cannot disembark and are destroyed instantly. Dirty, but it works!

**Slayer-Fan123**

Melta Bikes are the best option. Hell, it isn't even like they're a tax for the Hounds; they're both superb units. I gladly take 3-4 squads of Bikers to go with the Hounds.

**Frozocrone**

Not to mention that Melta doubles out Nobz of all varieties.

**sfshilo**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
How do people deal with AV14 like Battlewagons? I know Orks are in a tough spot right now, but I'd rather not have to assault a Battlewagon full of Meganobz in order to crack it open, because Meganobz will brutally murder most of our units in CC. I'm guessing the answer is "meltabikes" as usual, right?

Maulerfiend.

**Frozocrone**

sfshilo wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
How do people deal with AV14 like Battlewagons? I know Orks are in a tough spot right now, but I'd rather not have to assault a Battlewagon full of Meganobz in order to crack it open, because Meganobz will brutally murder most of our units in CC. I'm guessing the answer is "meltabikes" as usual, right?

Maulerfiend.

Or Meltaguns.

Quick question, Bloodcrushers don't look particulary great, except when summoned through Blood tithe. However, how well do Herald's on Juggernauts perform? Herald's probably going to have the Rage Locus and go with 8 Flesh Hounds (fluffy and stuff). Gorepack and Slaughter cult, with Bloodletters as troops.

I'm looking to get a fluffy list sorted for 750 pts as a fairly comp game as my opponents exclusively play Scatterbikes, Tau formations or Space Marines and I'm hoping that will do nicely, without resorting to a Soul Grinder (I just can't bring myself to assemble mine at the minute, too fiddly).

**ZergSmasher**

Juggerheralds are okay, although the ones from Codex: Daemons are better since they can get Daemonic Rewards. Daemonkin Heralds can't get AP2 weapons at all, but a in a blob of Flesh Hounds from a Gorepack, and toting either the Rage or Hatred locus, they can do some work. Maybe take the Blade of Endless Bloodshed for some extra Tithe (but not at 750 points).

As for Soul Grinders, they are a little bit fiddly, but not too bad. I had a blast painting mine. The trick is to paint it in subassemblies and then put it all together. And let me tell you, they can be pretty badass in the game. One of the best walkers.

**Dakka Wolf**

Got a question.
When you summon your daemons I know they can't charge that turn but can they still run/shoot?

**pm713**

Dakka Wolf wrote:
Got a question.
When you summon your daemons I know they can't charge that turn but can they still run/shoot?

Yes.

**Dakka Wolf**

I'm going to indulge in some blasphemy.
Wolves summoning Daemons as meat shields!

**Hawehu@hotmail.com**

How big would your games be before you consider taking a bloodthirster?

**ZergSmasher**

I usually run mine at 1850, but I have run him at 1500 (I don't recommend this though). The unfortunate thing in any size game is that a Bloodthirster, especially the Strength D version, is dangerous enough to become a bullseye with wings. Still, if your opponent is focusing the 'thirster down, he's not shooting those weapons at your other units, which if you do it right will be in his face on turn 2 or 3.

**chaosmarauder**

Hawehu@hotmail.com wrote:
How big would your games be before you consider taking a bloodthirster?

Actually, the question should be how big should your games be before you take 2 bloodthirsters (also known as double-Ds)

As said above, they become a big target so at some point you need 2 to get the job done since its not worth taking just 1.

But with that said, I've had good results taking a Wrath Thirster solo in bigger games since he can fly around and contribute with his whip/flamer before landing a couple turns in when it is safe.

1000 points or less should be ok to take just 1.

**Hawehu@hotmail.com**

So one of you says that i shouldnt take him on lesser than 1850 pts and the other says take one on any game and two on bigger games?

**chaosmarauder**

Hawehu@hotmail.com wrote:
So one of you says that i shouldnt take him on lesser than 1850 pts and the other says take one on any game and two on bigger games?

We are both saying that they are giant fire magnets. He says take one at 1850 but it is a fire magnet. I am saying take one but also take another one, because he is a fire magnet this will leave one still alive to get the job done.

A nice powerful list is double Ds and a ton of khorne hounds, add other units to flavour.

**sfshilo**

Played with a Lord of Skulls, slaughter cult, and a cad in 1850 points yesterday. It was against a lance heavy nid list...

The LORD OF SKULLS is unstopable. You cannot stop it, you cannot bubble wrap. You cannot survive an assault. The thing is un killable at 9 hp with an invuln and IWND.

The ONLY drawback is with the movement turning counts faq it is a huge model to pivot and move. But hey it also has fleet lol.

Those of you thinking, "TOO MANY POINTS!"......I highly recomend you give it a whirl. (Of death)