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 petitflacheur wrote:
I do not understand this topic... ork aren't a top tier army... far from that... why nerf us when we bring so much joy on your games

The thread was created because i genuinely see people asking GW to nerf Orks.


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 warhead01 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Of course Orks should be nerfed.

They aren't a real faction, they are the faction for kids or funny guys that are a joy to play and don't care if they win or lose. Orks are the faction you use to teach a newy player how is the feel of the game.

They should be designed to lose, but to lose in a fun way, with a ton of crazy rules and a crap-ton of bodies so the game doesn't ends in the first or second round and his opponent feels it has accomplished something because he killed 100 ork models.

I completely disagree. If that is/was true I wish they had put that on the boxes and blister packs so I wouldn't have bothered collecting 24,000 points. Makes me feel I have wasted my time.
It's insulting if that's the case.

Fun fact! You own 6X more Orks than GW themselves own!


If you don't know what I mean, I asked GW why we couldn't vote on Orks to be played at Adep and they said it was because they genuinely don't own 4k points worth of Orks... And this explains the last 10 or so years....

 davou wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Of course Orks should be nerfed.

They aren't a real faction, they are the faction for kids or funny guys that are a joy to play and don't care if they win or lose. Orks are the faction you use to teach a newy player how is the feel of the game.

They should be designed to lose, but to lose in a fun way, with a ton of crazy rules and a crap-ton of bodies so the game doesn't ends in the first or second round and his opponent feels it has accomplished something because he killed 100 ork models.

Even if you're joking; I'd hit you right in the gob if I could.

The funny thing is that I have seen people arguee that absolutely serious. "Why are my Space Marines/Eldar losing agaisnt orks/tyranids!?"

 davou wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Of course Orks should be nerfed.

They aren't a real faction, they are the faction for kids or funny guys that are a joy to play and don't care if they win or lose. Orks are the faction you use to teach a newy player how is the feel of the game.

They should be designed to lose, but to lose in a fun way, with a ton of crazy rules and a crap-ton of bodies so the game doesn't ends in the first or second round and his opponent feels it has accomplished something because he killed 100 ork models.

Even if you're joking; I'd hit you right in the gob if I could.

I'm with you. Let's find another 18 ork player so we get bonus attacks.

 lolman1c wrote:

 petitflacheur wrote:
I do not understand this topic... ork aren't a top tier army... far from that... why nerf us when we bring so much joy on your games

The thread was created because i genuinely see people asking GW to nerf Orks.


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 warhead01 wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Of course Orks should be nerfed.

They aren't a real faction, they are the faction for kids or funny guys that are a joy to play and don't care if they win or lose. Orks are the faction you use to teach a newy player how is the feel of the game.

They should be designed to lose, but to lose in a fun way, with a ton of crazy rules and a crap-ton of bodies so the game doesn't ends in the first or second round and his opponent feels it has accomplished something because he killed 100 ork models.

I completely disagree. If that is/was true I wish they had put that on the boxes and blister packs so I wouldn't have bothered collecting 24,000 points. Makes me feel I have wasted my time.
It's insulting if that's the case.

Fun fact! You own 6X more Orks than GW themselves own!


If you don't know what I mean, I asked GW why we couldn't vote on Orks to be played at Adep and they said it was because they genuinely don't own 4k points worth of Orks... And this explains the last 10 or so years....

I know right. lol. I have half a mind to send them 4,00 points painted. 2 stompas and 2,000 points of what ever. Hell, I could just send them 4 stompas. that like 4000 points isn't it. Talk about playing fast games.

 warhead01 wrote:

I completely disagree. If that is/was true I wish they had put that on the boxes and blister packs so I wouldn't have bothered collecting 24,000 points. Makes me feel I have wasted my time.
It's insulting if that's the case.

During Adepticon, a Podcaster played in a Bushido tournament against one of the designers. He asked him why did he always lose? The designer responded because your faction is broken and doesn’t work at all. The podcaster then quit the game.

I honestly believe GW designers would never do this. But the way players react to Orks being brought to the table remind me of this story. It sucks when your faction is regarded by a lot of the community as “easy to win against”, “a joke”, and “always fun to beat”. The only reason I didn’t sell my army was because of how mug effort I put into them.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

I completely disagree. If that is/was true I wish they had put that on the boxes and blister packs so I wouldn't have bothered collecting 24,000 points. Makes me feel I have wasted my time.
It's insulting if that's the case.

During Adepticon, a Podcaster played in a Bushido tournament against one of the designers. He asked him why did he always lose? The designer responded because your faction is broken and doesn’t work at all. The podcaster then quit the game.

I honestly believe GW designers would never do this. But the way players react to Orks being brought to the table remind me of this story. It sucks when your faction is regarded by a lot of the community as “easy to win against”, “a joke”, and “always fun to beat”. The only reason I didn’t sell my army was because of how mug effort I put into them.

Well the reason why I keep my models is 1. they look epic on the shelf. 2. I play fun games with friends which just make up random rules to keep the game fun. 3. You can do more than just the base 40k with the models... it's why I love table top models. Just because GW tells you to do something you don't have to. If this was a video game I'd have to follow their rules.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

I completely disagree. If that is/was true I wish they had put that on the boxes and blister packs so I wouldn't have bothered collecting 24,000 points. Makes me feel I have wasted my time.
It's insulting if that's the case.

During Adepticon, a Podcaster played in a Bushido tournament against one of the designers. He asked him why did he always lose? The designer responded because your faction is broken and doesn’t work at all. The podcaster then quit the game.

I honestly believe GW designers would never do this. But the way players react to Orks being brought to the table remind me of this story. It sucks when your faction is regarded by a lot of the community as “easy to win against”, “a joke”, and “always fun to beat”. The only reason I didn’t sell my army was because of how mug effort I put into them.

Sounds frustrating, was it the whole faction or just a poor list? Doesn't really matter I guess.
I shouldn't let silly things bother me. Orks will still be fun to play what ever happens. If Orks did just become the teach the new player faction My win rate would skyrocket. lol

 warhead01 wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
Uhhhh....lets wait for a codex before people start yelling *NERF ORKS* but I think their morale system needs to be addressed.

Only abusive thing I see is da-jumping tons of boys, but otherwise, outside of that, what do they really have? So no, don't nerf.

What's wrong with the Morale system? I never have anything run off, it's been working fine for me!

Lmao, I'm sure! Its very effective. Maybe a tad too much so, but still, its a nifty system that i'd rather see tweaked slightly than removed.

 warhead01 wrote:

DontEatRawHagis wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

I completely disagree. If that is/was true I wish they had put that on the boxes and blister packs so I wouldn't have bothered collecting 24,000 points. Makes me feel I have wasted my time.
It's insulting if that's the case.

During Adepticon, a Podcaster played in a Bushido tournament against one of the designers. He asked him why did he always lose? The designer responded because your faction is broken and doesn’t work at all. The podcaster then quit the game.

I honestly believe GW designers would never do this. But the way players react to Orks being brought to the table remind me of this story. It sucks when your faction is regarded by a lot of the community as “easy to win against”, “a joke”, and “always fun to beat”. The only reason I didn’t sell my army was because of how mug effort I put into them.

Sounds frustrating, was it the whole faction or just a poor list? Doesn't really matter I guess.
I shouldn't let silly things bother me. Orks will still be fun to play what ever happens. If Orks did just become the teach the new player faction My win rate would skyrocket. lol

The entire faction. No possible good build he could do to defeat the dev’s build. Partial due to the faction the dev ran being the hard counter to the Podcasters and that faction had no way to compensate.

 Jidmah wrote:

 davou wrote:


Even if you're joking; I'd hit you right in the gob if I could.

I'm with you. Let's find another 18 ork player so we get bonus attacks.

In. Now we need 17.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

DontEatRawHagis wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

I completely disagree. If that is/was true I wish they had put that on the boxes and blister packs so I wouldn't have bothered collecting 24,000 points. Makes me feel I have wasted my time.
It's insulting if that's the case.

During Adepticon, a Podcaster played in a Bushido tournament against one of the designers. He asked him why did he always lose? The designer responded because your faction is broken and doesn’t work at all. The podcaster then quit the game.

I honestly believe GW designers would never do this. But the way players react to Orks being brought to the table remind me of this story. It sucks when your faction is regarded by a lot of the community as “easy to win against”, “a joke”, and “always fun to beat”. The only reason I didn’t sell my army was because of how mug effort I put into them.

Sounds frustrating, was it the whole faction or just a poor list? Doesn't really matter I guess.
I shouldn't let silly things bother me. Orks will still be fun to play what ever happens. If Orks did just become the teach the new player faction My win rate would skyrocket. lol

The entire faction. No possible good build he could do to defeat the dev’s build. Partial due to the faction the dev ran being the hard counter to the Podcasters and that faction had no way to compensate.

wait, was this a GW dev talking about Orks? Honestly, I wouldn't put it past the GW devs to just give up... would be funny if they gave the codex to an intern and he actually made them good. XD

 iGuy91 wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
Uhhhh....lets wait for a codex before people start yelling *NERF ORKS* but I think their morale system needs to be addressed.

Only abusive thing I see is da-jumping tons of boys, but otherwise, outside of that, what do they really have? So no, don't nerf.

What's wrong with the Morale system? I never have anything run off, it's been working fine for me!

Lmao, I'm sure! Its very effective. Maybe a tad too much so, but still, its a nifty system that i'd rather see tweaked slightly than removed.

Reminds me of a Tau complaining that my army has 5+ invulnerable saves, while tabling me in the shooting phase.....

God forbid orks have a rule that benefits them.

I really hate this "but you have a 5+ invlun...." when most other factions get that (demons gets that... every single model or most of them). Every Single model has to be within 9" for it to work (one of you bases a mm out of the 9"? Well screw you!!!)... it's an expensive upgrade at 75pts per 60 boyz I would say... doesn't work in CC when orks could use it the most... AND IT'S FREAKING THE ONLY SAVE WE GET!!!! 5+!!! I mean come on!!!!

The biggest thing I got out of this thread is the revelation the GeeDubs has so little orks to play with. Need a lot for all the combos and builds to run. I understand someone getting discouraged at the prospect of painting an ork army, it's a daunting task. I'd think the company would have the resources to get around this. If they screw up orks yet again perhaps a donation drive is in order. We can give them an army to learn a bit about orks.

I just quickly added up all the Ork units in Index Xenos 2, and I came out at nearly 5,500 points. This was with minimal units sizes and usually the cheapest wargear choices (I did stick a power klaw on every Warboss). I was rounding and doing a rush job of it, so I'm sure my number wasn't precise, but I would be shocked if it was less than 5,000 points. It would be pretty sad on GW's part if they couldn't field a 4,000 point force.

The one silver lining to Orks getting a bad book would be being able to get Orks at 85% off again like at the end of 7th (obviously I'd rather not have this be the case, I'd prefer a good book).

I like the current Ork morale system from a flavor standpoint. Ork mobs are overconfident at first and them crumble very quickly. Warbosses and nobz violently keep them in line. Maybe the system could stand to be tweaked, but I hope it keeps the same feel.

I'm all about nerfing orks. Everyone will sell them, i'll buy them (like i did in 6-th edition), houserule them and play.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
The biggest thing I got out of this thread is the revelation the GeeDubs has so little orks to play with. Need a lot for all the combos and builds to run. I understand someone getting discouraged at the prospect of painting an ork army, it's a daunting task. I'd think the company would have the resources to get around this. If they screw up orks yet again perhaps a donation drive is in order. We can give them an army to learn a bit about orks.

Donation? We should just meet up in GB for a proppa Waaagh! and show them how orks work in real life.

Does anyone have the actual quote?

 Jidmah wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:
The biggest thing I got out of this thread is the revelation the GeeDubs has so little orks to play with. Need a lot for all the combos and builds to run. I understand someone getting discouraged at the prospect of painting an ork army, it's a daunting task. I'd think the company would have the resources to get around this. If they screw up orks yet again perhaps a donation drive is in order. We can give them an army to learn a bit about orks.

Donation? We should just meet up in GB for a proppa Waaagh! and show them how orks work in real life.

The Ork Community already has a huge meet up twice a year at warhammer world. I think the next one is next month actually. I've never gone to it because I'm always busy but hope to go to the one in October. I know the community actually plans on doing something to prove to GW the Ork people are strong and upset at GW.




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 davou wrote:
Does anyone have the actual quote?

Sad, I was hoping it was exaggerated. There's hope that they have different armies for playtesting, but I'd be kidding myself if I didn't doubt it strongly.

 lolman1c wrote:

The Ork Community already has a huge meet up twice a year at warhammer world. I think the next one is next month actually. I've never gone to it because I'm always busy but hope to go to the one in October. I know the community actually plans on doing something to prove to GW the Ork people are strong and upset at GW.

How embarrassing.

No wonder we always get the short end of the stick.

The hell is going on with the studio?! Less than 4K points of one of the most iconic factions in the entire franchise?! What a joke!

Does anyone have a link to the post on facebook, I'd like to publicly express my disappointment.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

The Ork Community already has a huge meet up twice a year at warhammer world. I think the next one is next month actually. I've never gone to it because I'm always busy but hope to go to the one in October. I know the community actually plans on doing something to prove to GW the Ork people are strong and upset at GW.

How embarrassing.

No wonder we always get the short end of the stick.

The hell is going on with the studio?! Less than 4K points of one of the most iconic factions in the entire franchise?! What a joke!

Does anyone have a link to the post on facebook, I'd like to publicly express my disappointment.

I got sent the link by the kid who asked the question so i can try and find it again but I was the one who blurred out his name here because I don't know if he would want the attention.

 lolman1c wrote:
I got sent the link by the kid who asked the question so i can try and find it again but I was the one who blurred out his name here because I don't know if he would want the attention.

Fair enough, I can appreciate the dude probably doesn't want his name all over the internet.

Do you know which post it was in perhaps?

I've posted this on 40k Ork group on FB, see how the Boyz like it.

I think the reason they didn't want to run Orks is because they didn't want to get ROFL-stomped.

Embarrassing is one way to put it, I guess.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
I got sent the link by the kid who asked the question so i can try and find it again but I was the one who blurred out his name here because I don't know if he would want the attention.

Fair enough, I can appreciate the dude probably doesn't want his name all over the internet.

Do you know which post it was in perhaps?

I've posted this on 40k Ork group on FB, see how the Boyz like it.

It's the 40k Warhammer community fb page.


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zerosignal wrote:
I think the reason they didn't want to run Orks is because they didn't want to get ROFL-stomped.

Embarrassing is one way to put it, I guess.

I don't think they player base would care. It would be a good laugh and work out probably in their favour.

Has anyone considered that the GW rep may have access to the new codex, and added up the total amount based on the new points cost?

That could be interesting.

 r_squared wrote:
Has anyone considered that the GW rep may have access to the new codex, and added up the total amount based on the new points cost?

That could be interesting.

That would mean Stompas would actually be like 200 pts!!! And everything else would be like 10pts at most! I doubt this is the case

 lolman1c wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
Has anyone considered that the GW rep may have access to the new codex, and added up the total amount based on the new points cost?

That could be interesting.

That would mean Stompas would actually be like 200 pts!!! And everything else would be like 10pts at most! I doubt this is the case

Tbf, that would solve every problem with the faction.

 r_squared wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
Has anyone considered that the GW rep may have access to the new codex, and added up the total amount based on the new points cost?

That could be interesting.

That would mean Stompas would actually be like 200 pts!!! And everything else would be like 10pts at most! I doubt this is the case

Tbf, that would solve every problem with the faction.

Honestly, I love that that Stompa is nearly 1k points. And I really hope it stays at nearly 1k points! It's a huge titan! The cheapest Titan GW sells! But it should act like a titan! Remember, it was only a few hundred points off a Warhound Titan before Chapter Approved! If the Stompa kept all of its stats and went down to 4-500pts then fine.... but if it stays 1k points then i want it to become a weapon I'd be happy to bring to apocalypse games!

I don't own a Stompa but I want one! I see it's price at my store and thing "It's only £56 for a huge titan... maybe....." then I snap out of it. I once saw a pro painted beautiful Stompa... it was on bids on Ebay.... It sold for like £30-40 and I was super jealous I didn't bid on it... I won a trukk and a Battle Wagon from the guy so I know it would have actually being worth the value. But it was either a Trukk & Wagon or a Titan... Imagine if someone went up to a marine player and said "Do you want to win this Rhino and Landraider or Warhound Titan for £30!" and the Marine player automatically said "Rhino and Land raider" because they're the better option. XD

The comparison is unfair: the BW+trukk combo costs basically like a stompa, a land raider+rhino are way cheaper than a titan.