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No one HAS to collect Primaris.

They do, however, have to accept that the old line has reached a natural conclusion, is very much bloated and complete, is limited thematically and thus will probably receive no new models in future.

Primaris present fresh opportunities for the studio who are excited to work on new and divergent units (they have said so) and are an opportunity for hobbyists to jump on to a new and exciting model line.

I have a large Primaris collection that was built up since they launched and I couldn't be happier with it. Can't wait for more models to be released!

 Ishagu wrote:
No one HAS to collect Primaris.

They do, however, have to accept that the old line has reached a natural conclusion, is very much bloated and complete, is limited thematically and thus will probably receive no new models in future.

Primaris present fresh opportunities for the studio who are excited to work on new and divergent units (they have said so) and are an opportunity for hobbyists to jump on to a new and exciting model line.

I have a large Primaris collection that was built up since they launched and I couldn't be happier with it. Can't wait for more models to be released!

You keep using the word hobby when talking Primaris marines are one of the weakest ranges hobby wise. They have limited options, nearly no customization, the models themselves while well designed are incredibly lacking in personal characteristics and there is little to no kit bashing potential. The characters are all mono poss with no options. Compared to the current level of what I can do with the various plastic marine kits, they are boring.

They are as of right now. Two years from now they could have 30+ kits.

Also, to some conversion and customisation aren't what the hobby is about. For me it's more about a high standard of paintwork, for example.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
little to no kit bashing potential.

Well you aren't trying then.

I have an Azrael counts as, a Techmarine, and 3 Company Champions all kit bashed Primaris scale.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
You keep using the word hobby when talking Primaris marines are one of the weakest ranges hobby wise. They have limited options, nearly no customization, the models themselves while well designed are incredibly lacking in personal characteristics and there is little to no kit bashing potential. The characters are all mono poss with no options. Compared to the current level of what I can do with the various plastic marine kits, they are boring.

Literally everything you typed as a reason to dislike Primaris was true for Normal marines at one point or another. Being able to expand a range gives GW options to sell models.

And that is really the point.

I doubt that GW discontinues the classic marine line soon, but in a number of years they won't be on the shelves, they will be special order. And then in a number more, they will be ebay only.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

In any case, regardless of what you may think, I am absolutely certain that vast majority of people who do not let their bitterness about the Primaris or fear of their old models becoming obsolete (so all the new players,at least) to affect their judgement will see the Primaris as obviously superior product

It's nothing to do with bitterness. I like the Primaris proportions. I don't like their size, nor do I like that they look out of proportion to everything else in the imperial model range, nor that they're all wearing the exact same armor without the personal embellishments and piecemeal part replacement that was standard on regular marines by this point. And don't even get me started on the 47 different types of bolters...

So for me, the balance tips significantly against Primaris without 'bitterness' even entering the equation.

Fully agree with this. The two marine styles don't look good together, imo. I too like the look of the Intercessors but I don't want any in my army because they look weird next to everything else. Right now my army is unified in style, and I'm inclined to keep it that way. If I want Primaris as a unit, I'm inclined to use a specific subset of oldmarines, and I have a collection of current beakies that I might use for just that. We'll see.

I know I'm in the minority for thinking this way, but I don't think old marines and Primaris look that strange together. They certainly have more in common with each other than either does with a Scout or a Terminator.

Nah they look fine together. I just think the older models are uglier and squat...

 Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
little to no kit bashing potential.

Well you aren't trying then.

I have an Azrael counts as, a Techmarine, and 3 Company Champions all kit bashed Primaris scale.

Again though, this plays into my point to a degree. I like the models in a vacuum but those are all proxies for regular marine options. Going by what the actual primaris models can take, they essentially don't have options. Compared to all the things a tac squad could take to make it look unique.

I don't think you've grasped the idea that the range and options will grow in future? We've only had one wave of releases. I remember when Marines had one unit and a Dreadnought as the whole line.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
little to no kit bashing potential.

Well you aren't trying then.

I have an Azrael counts as, a Techmarine, and 3 Company Champions all kit bashed Primaris scale.

Again though, this plays into my point to a degree. I like the models in a vacuum but those are all proxies for regular marine options. Going by what the actual primaris models can take, they essentially don't have options. Compared to all the things a tac squad could take to make it look unique.

Ok, but we've only had the first wave of Primaris, there'll be loads more.

Also, all the models I proxies it doesn't really matter whether they're oldscale or Primaris, at least in my mind, because they're all multi attack and multi wound profiles, which is the only mechanical difference really.

The Newman wrote:

I know I'm in the minority for thinking this way, but I don't think old marines and Primaris look that strange together. They certainly have more in common with each other than either does with a Scout or a Terminator.

That's fair. To be honest I can almost see it, just not quite. It's borderline for me.

Scouts I can get behind, as they aren't full-marines yet, and their armor is different. The Terminator kit is wierd to me, as they're clearly a size increase over a normal marine. Like not just the armor, but the guy inside somehow got taller and longer limbed.

Now, If GW is going to continue support for oldmarines, what they could do is to re-release them in couple years with a slight scale increase and a minor proportion shift, just to cover the difference. Primaris are supposed to be bigger, but the standard marine could grow a wee bit and still have all their various parts be compatible. I think it just depends on what they eventually decide to do with standard marines in game. There's definitely precedent for larger "normal" marines, given the scale increase in the new Death Guard and Thousand Sons models.


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 Ishagu wrote:
I don't think you've grasped the idea that the range and options will grow in future? We've only had one wave of releases. I remember when Marines had one unit and a Dreadnought as the whole line.

Well, compare the traditional Captain kit with all it's options to the current trend of monopose kits with no options. That's a big issue, imo.

Re release the same kits AGAIN? No, no no

 Ishagu wrote:
Re release the same kits AGAIN? No, no no

If that's what the market will bear. . . then why not. Time will tell.

 Ishagu wrote:
I don't think you've grasped the idea that the range and options will grow in future? We've only had one wave of releases. I remember when Marines had one unit and a Dreadnought as the whole line.

So far though everything they indicate that even as more kits come out, a lot of flavor and choices are being pruned. Compare the space marine commander box which had a ton of bitz and customization not only for that model but for your army as a whole. Multiple Melee options and a ton of ranged, a ton of ways to make him look unique. Compare to the Primaris Captain who has what, one option at most? That's what is really being lost.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
I don't think you've grasped the idea that the range and options will grow in future? We've only had one wave of releases. I remember when Marines had one unit and a Dreadnought as the whole line.

So far though everything they indicate that even as more kits come out, a lot of flavor and choices are being pruned. Compare the space marine commander box which had a ton of bitz and customization not only for that model but for your army as a whole. Multiple Melee options and a ton of ranged, a ton of ways to make him look unique. Compare to the Primaris Captain who has what, one option at most? That's what is really being lost.

But don't worry, you can get the upgrade pack for $15 to get another power sword, 9 shoulder pads, 3 heads, and a few other bits to really spice up your mini.

 Vankraken wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
I don't think you've grasped the idea that the range and options will grow in future? We've only had one wave of releases. I remember when Marines had one unit and a Dreadnought as the whole line.

So far though everything they indicate that even as more kits come out, a lot of flavor and choices are being pruned. Compare the space marine commander box which had a ton of bitz and customization not only for that model but for your army as a whole. Multiple Melee options and a ton of ranged, a ton of ways to make him look unique. Compare to the Primaris Captain who has what, one option at most? That's what is really being lost.

But don't worry, you can get the upgrade pack for $15 to get another power sword, 9 shoulder pads, 3 heads, and a few other bits to really spice up your mini.

Or all the dozens of heads and pads and swords I have in my bits box that are totally compatible.

I think Primaris being samey and lacking options is perfectly fair criticism. That is certainly their biggest failing at the moment. It is obviously due the model line being so young, but doesn't stop it being an issue at the moment. Then again, I've had a lot of fun with personalising my Primaris with all the bits from my bits box.

It’s certainly taking a long time for the ‘wave 2’ of Primaris models to arrive, 15 months and counting so far.

I do wonder if they had more units ready to go to production, but decided to do a bit of a redesign of the models based on some of the negative feedback on some of the uglier units like the reivers and inceptors.

Phil Kelly says they have 10 years worth of design and ideas.

 Ishagu wrote:
I don't think you've grasped the idea that the range and options will grow in future? We've only had one wave of releases. I remember when Marines had one unit and a Dreadnought as the whole line.

'They'll get more stuff in the future' is not much of a reason to like the range now...

Isn't Phil Kelly the guy that buffs ultramarines and eldar in fluff and rules?

robbienw wrote:
...some of the uglier units like the reivers ...

The what, now?

Reivers are my favourite release in the Primaris range, so far... If they weren't huge, they'd be awesome.

Karol wrote:
Isn't Phil Kelly the guy that buffs ultramarines and eldar in fluff and rules?

No, you're thinking of Matt Ward. Phil Kelly's baby are Space Wolves IIRC.

 insaniak wrote:

robbienw wrote:
...some of the uglier units like the reivers ...

The what, now?

Reivers are my favourite release in the Primaris range, so far... If they weren't huge, they'd be awesome.

Personally I really like Inceptors too. Each to their own!

Phil Kelly is also the guy that writes rather poor and overpowered tau in black library books lol

He is a writer and rules designer, I doubt he knows exactly what the model design guys are doing. I’d take what he has ANECDOTALLY said with a pinch of salt




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 insaniak wrote:

robbienw wrote:
...some of the uglier units like the reivers ...

The what, now?

Reivers are my favourite release in the Primaris range, so far... If they weren't huge, they'd be awesome.

Ok they are not the worse, maybe I am being harsh, I just can’t get past the 3/4 length shorts and the skull helms

I wish they had done Reivers in scout armor. I like the concept but the idea of something as heavy as a Marine in full power Armor zipping around like batman seems silly.

I'm with Robbie on this. I like the aesthetic of all the Primaris except the Reivers..they're super "meh"..bordering on ugly. Their dreadnought is also not much of a looker.

 Elbows wrote:
I'm with Robbie on this. I like the aesthetic of all the Primaris except the Reivers..they're super "meh"..bordering on ugly. Their dreadnought is also not much of a looker.

The Redemptor is one of my favourite kits I've put together in the last year. So much poseability, love it!

The beer-gut drednought? Eew.

 Insectum7 wrote:
The beer-gut drednought? Eew.

It's my least favourite model of the line. It looks OK when the extra armour is open, but it really doesn't work when it is closed.