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Three empty bottles. Not ten or fifteen. It's three.
   
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It’s also free on top of meaningful discounts to the paints themselves and a bunch of other random stuff. Even though there are only 3, the bottles may well be more useful than individual bases for many people.

Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!

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It's literally £0.12 worth of petroleum product, and I'd argue that anyone that wants to take their painting to a level of needing special mixing bottles (everyone, imo, but I'm a painter so I would say that), needs thirty empty bottles, not three, and they can buy thirty for £5 on ebay or whatever other commerce site they would prefer. Seems like a non-stretch goal to me, but then again I'm obviously not his target audience.
   
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 Flinty wrote:
It’s also free on top of meaningful discounts to the paints themselves and a bunch of other random stuff. Even though there are only 3, the bottles may well be more useful than individual bases for many people.


Yeah the "one base" seemed even more egregious to me. Seems more like a literal promo- "here, have a free base, we hope you like it and buy more". There's little value to the bottles but it's not like they're then going to be trying to sell me more empty bottles. Probably not. Maybe.
   
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Duncan's Kickstarter is almost at 1 million $


So much for the salty "has been" comment

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deano2099 wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
It’s also free on top of meaningful discounts to the paints themselves and a bunch of other random stuff. Even though there are only 3, the bottles may well be more useful than individual bases for many people.


Yeah the "one base" seemed even more egregious to me. Seems more like a literal promo- "here, have a free base, we hope you like it and buy more". There's little value to the bottles but it's not like they're then going to be trying to sell me more empty bottles. Probably not. Maybe.


THIS is what I saw wrong with Kickstarter. People keep saying they should get more and more value. There is only so much that can be given out without losing money.

FREE bottles- I don’t get any value out of this- sorry, but some might.
A free base- why only one- something to try the paints on and see how you like the product, it might be another Kickstarter, or just to help promote the brand. If they gave you 20 bases, would that be enough for your army? Probably not and then there’s would be the critiques that they are round and not square, or not tapered like GW, or I need 3 oblong ones for my bikes instead of infantry.

These are all extras you get...FREE. Now if it causes extra shipping because he gives you 30 empty bottles that you don’t want but have to accept, then complain otherwise it’s just first world problems.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Polonius wrote:

Wow, there's a lot of words about something that does not seem fully understood.


I will fully admit I am not a lawyer (and basically did in my previous post), yet you didn't seem to add anything contradictory to what I said? What you said in your post was touched on in my post when I said...



Yeah, I realized I didn't quote that as well as I could have. I was responding more to the same points you addressed, just (hopefully) with a bit more clarity.

I guess the IP stuff kind of annoys me. It's admittedly a somewhat counterintuitive area of law, but it's not obscure or arcane. Both the US and UK have governmental websites explaining the stuff, and it's pretty simple to find answers to these questions.

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 GoldenHorde wrote:
Duncan's Kickstarter is almost at 1 million $

So much for the salty "has been" comment

Dude, I have absolutely no horse in this topic, just from an outside viewer: The comments you keep referencing back at in a "see, I WAS RIGHT NOT YOU" kind of way were ok. Nothing salty, hateful or trollish about them. You have a needlessly aggressive way of posting that makes reading your input unlikable. Your reaction to the initial comments seemed like somebody offended you personally.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Polonius wrote:

Wow, there's a lot of words about something that does not seem fully understood.


I will fully admit I am not a lawyer (and basically did in my previous post), yet you didn't seem to add anything contradictory to what I said? What you said in your post was touched on in my post when I said...



Yeah, I realized I didn't quote that as well as I could have. I was responding more to the same points you addressed, just (hopefully) with a bit more clarity.

I guess the IP stuff kind of annoys me. It's admittedly a somewhat counterintuitive area of law, but it's not obscure or arcane. Both the US and UK have governmental websites explaining the stuff, and it's pretty simple to find answers to these questions.

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 Theophony wrote:
deano2099 wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
It’s also free on top of meaningful discounts to the paints themselves and a bunch of other random stuff. Even though there are only 3, the bottles may well be more useful than individual bases for many people.


Yeah the "one base" seemed even more egregious to me. Seems more like a literal promo- "here, have a free base, we hope you like it and buy more". There's little value to the bottles but it's not like they're then going to be trying to sell me more empty bottles. Probably not. Maybe.


THIS is what I saw wrong with Kickstarter. People keep saying they should get more and more value. There is only so much that can be given out without losing money.

FREE bottles- I don’t get any value out of this- sorry, but some might.
A free base- why only one- something to try the paints on and see how you like the product, it might be another Kickstarter, or just to help promote the brand. If they gave you 20 bases, would that be enough for your army? Probably not and then there’s would be the critiques that they are round and not square, or not tapered like GW, or I need 3 oblong ones for my bikes instead of infantry.

These are all extras you get...FREE. Now if it causes extra shipping because he gives you 30 empty bottles that you don’t want but have to accept, then complain otherwise it’s just first world problems.


They're not free though are they? They're part of the price you pay for the pledge. Yes, at the moment, this KS isn't quite good enough value for me. I've pledged, because with the early-bird it's cheaper, but if the value isn't there I'll drop it before the end of the campaign.

If the KS was nothing more than the paints with no stretch goals, and then they said after everyone had paid, "here's some free stuff you weren't expecting" that'd be fair enough. But they're not. If you add something in for "free" before the purchase it's not really free, however you dress it up. It's not really a problem with KS, it's a problem that the core offering isn't being seen as great value by some people. And I don't have any problem with it, I'm not sure who the "problem" you see is for?

A $20K car that comes with free mats throughout is the exact same as a $20K set of mats that comes with a free car. The second is not a rip-off and the first a nice bonus.

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deano2099 wrote:
They're not free though are they? They're part of the price you pay for the pledge. Yes, at the moment, this KS isn't quite good enough value for me. I've pledged, because with the early-bird it's cheaper, but if the value isn't there I'll drop it before the end of the campaign.

If the KS was nothing more than the paints with no stretch goals, and then they said after everyone had paid, "here's some free stuff you weren't expecting" that'd be fair enough. But they're not. If you add something in for "free" before the purchase it's not really free, however you dress it up. It's not really a problem with KS, it's a problem that the core offering isn't being seen as great value by some people. And I don't have any problem with it, I'm not sure who the "problem" you see is for?

A $20K car that comes with free mats throughout is the exact same as a $20K set of mats that comes with a free car. The second is not a rip-off and the first a nice bonus.


The point of stretch goals is to entice backers to encourage others to participate.

Crowdfunding only works at scale. Unless you have an established brand and dedicated following, success typically depends on maximizing the number of backers. Stretch goals are supposed to give backers an incentive to market the campaign and ensure it will be funded.

From that standpoint, I wouldn't be looking to stretch goals as a source of value. They're more a pat on the back than anything. When I looked at it, I saw value in the following:

- the paints are close matches to GWs existing range

- there's a clear triad system for achieving consistent results

- the cost per bottle is around $3, which is low

- I'm genuinely curious about different paint lines

- I trust the creator and wish him success

It's nice that some novelty miniatures come along with the campaign, but those wouldn't affect my decision whether or not to back. However, those novelty miniatures might get me to post something about the campaign on the Interwebs.





   
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 techsoldaten wrote:


The point of stretch goals is to entice backers to encourage others to participate.

Crowdfunding only works at scale. Unless you have an established brand and dedicated following, success typically depends on maximizing the number of backers. Stretch goals are supposed to give backers an incentive to market the campaign and ensure it will be funded



It's likely our experience of crowdfunding is different, and paints are certainly something I've not backed on Kickstarter before, but certainly it's much more cynical than that on most board game Kickstarters. All the stuff Awaken Realms do for example generally sees a campaign with stretch goals that amount to an entire extra box of content at least the size of the base game, if not larger in "stretch goals". They are there to make you think you're getting much better value for money than you are, because you're getting all this "free" stuff which has actually been accounted for in the original price.
I've no doubt that other campaigns certainly use stretch goals in the way you're describing but it's the only way. The fact that the Sir Coats mini formed part of the pre-campaign hype suggests that it was at least planned in part all along. Though we may well now be at the point of stretch goals that they're making up as they go along!
   
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deano2099 wrote:
 techsoldaten wrote:


The point of stretch goals is to entice backers to encourage others to participate.

Crowdfunding only works at scale. Unless you have an established brand and dedicated following, success typically depends on maximizing the number of backers. Stretch goals are supposed to give backers an incentive to market the campaign and ensure it will be funded



It's likely our experience of crowdfunding is different, and paints are certainly something I've not backed on Kickstarter before, but certainly it's much more cynical than that on most board game Kickstarters. All the stuff Awaken Realms do for example generally sees a campaign with stretch goals that amount to an entire extra box of content at least the size of the base game, if not larger in "stretch goals". They are there to make you think you're getting much better value for money than you are, because you're getting all this "free" stuff which has actually been accounted for in the original price.
I've no doubt that other campaigns certainly use stretch goals in the way you're describing but it's the only way. The fact that the Sir Coats mini formed part of the pre-campaign hype suggests that it was at least planned in part all along. Though we may well now be at the point of stretch goals that they're making up as they go along!


Certainly. Some people back campaigns based on stretch goals, not arguing with you.

But creators are the ones who primarily profit from stretch goals. They get free marketing from the chatter, it gets their projects to scale.

Help me understand your point a little better. Without the Sir Coats miniature, you would not have backed the campaign?


   
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I think the stretch goals really drive home that this is a pre-order of an already fully developed product.

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a_typical_hero wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
Duncan's Kickstarter is almost at 1 million $

So much for the salty "has been" comment

Dude, I have absolutely no horse in this topic, just from an outside viewer: The comments you keep referencing back at in a "see, I WAS RIGHT NOT YOU" kind of way were ok. Nothing salty, hateful or trollish about them. You have a needlessly aggressive way of posting that makes reading your input unlikable. Your reaction to the initial comments seemed like somebody offended you personally.


Seconded. Any salt from that initial post (and I agree there was feth all salt in it) has been utterly obliterated by the spectacular lack of class in the subsequent responses.

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 Polonius wrote:
I think the stretch goals really drive home that this is a pre-order of an already fully developed product.


This is pretty much the standard for Kickstarter now in this industry; the product is developed but the person running the campaign doesn't the initial startup funds to actually put it into proper production


 
   
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An interesting post on the products' future availability and price in the Comments section:

James wrote:I have a few questions:

Will these paints be available to purchase individually after the Kickstarter?

What will be the price?

Will they be available to be delivered directly to my home address?

Which paint was being used on the Necron mini at around 2:40 in the intro video?

Trans Atlantis Games wrote:Hi James

To answer your questions:

1. We are working with retailers worldwide to distribute Two Thin Coats Paints along with a webstore

2. $4 per bottle (TBC)

3. Yes!

4. Duncan used Spartan Bronze as his shadow along with Battle Mud Wash.

-TAG Team

So the price should be $4 for a 15ml bottle (versus GW's $4.55 for 12ml) and will be available online if you have no local retailers for the Two Thin Coats paint line.

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a_typical_hero wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
Duncan's Kickstarter is almost at 1 million $

So much for the salty "has been" comment

Dude, I have absolutely no horse in this topic, just from an outside viewer: The comments you keep referencing back at in a "see, I WAS RIGHT NOT YOU" kind of way were ok. Nothing salty, hateful or trollish about them. You have a needlessly aggressive way of posting that makes reading your input unlikable. Your reaction to the initial comments seemed like somebody offended you personally.


Yes, sure...... you're entitled to believe that ad hominem attacks, crying about people's postcounts (because they can't structure a coherent and sensible comment otherwise) and calling people "has-been" is not salty or hateful.

Why should I try to pander to your off kilter moral compass ?

I don't really care and I find it really funny about JUST how wrong these guys were.

Just take a look at the current discourse; people whinging about the stretch goals.. so much salt complaining about gratis inclusions. Same world we live in where people scavenge through piles of trash to survive.

Sorry, (not sorry) I'm positive about this whole endeavour and refuse to be shouted down by the negativity crowd. You want to get sucked into that black hole....go for it. Not for me

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 techsoldaten wrote:


Help me understand your point a little better. Without the Sir Coats miniature, you would not have backed the campaign?



I won't make a decision on whether to back the project until the final day of the project. I have pledged already, as if I do decide to back I want the cheaper early bird price, but on the final day of the project, I'll have a look at the final value proposition and decide if it's worth it or not at that point, and whether to keep or drop my pledge, based on the final list of stuff we'll be getting. That's now the optimal strategy for being a Kickstarter customer! This one is definite borderline for me and the future bonuses are still unknown.

There's been projects before where the value has been there from day one for me, and the stretch goals have been a "bonus" - but that's because the initial KS was just really great value. but I find that increasingly rare these days. If the all-in pledge for this had no stretch goals but a 50% discount I'd probably be in also. But a smaller discount plus stretch goals I don't have much interest in (I'd trade them all in for free shipping) mean it's borderline.

And this isn't me complaining or anything. There's no duty for a KS creator to appeal to me, I'm not going to call Duncan evil for not doing it how I want to or anything - this is purely my mindset as an individual - I'm sure there are others that feel the same, some have posted in this thread, but I've no idea how many of us there are. But unless you actually make that point to the creator they won't even know you exist.
   
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Campaign ending in three days - not only has it started to level off but it's actually fallen a bit in the past few days, fair few nervous backers in the comments.

I dropped out myself, partly as the value isn't quite there for me, and partly because I've just not seen enough of paints - no third party reviews, just one video of Duncan painting something with them, nothing that really sells me on these being any better than any other paint range - which I can get for a similar price, without the wait.
   
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deano2099 wrote:
Campaign ending in three days - not only has it started to level off but it's actually fallen a bit in the past few days, fair few nervous backers in the comments.

From my understanding, most Kickstarters follow an inverted bell curve with the highest activity being at the start of and the end of the campaign.

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I do find it interesting that Duncan isn't actually involved in the KS at all outside of the initial videos. Just leads me to believe that the only real involvement he really has its licensing his name -- which there's nothing wrong with -- and being paid to use them (either via licensing or portion of sales) much like chefs and their cooking lines. Just odd for such a small hobby where that kind of involvement it's normal.

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 Monkeysloth wrote:
I do find it interesting that Duncan isn't actually involved in the KSer at all outside of the initial videos. Just leads me to believe that the only real involvement he really has its licensing his name -- which there's nothing wrong with -- and being paid to use them (either via licensing or portion of sales) much like chefs and their cooking lines. Just odd for such a small hobby where that kind of involvement it's normal.

It's been mentioned multiple times in the comments that both Duncan and Roger worked with the chemists on the paint formulations. That's a bit more than just 'licensing his name'.

Our claim that these paints are mixed from the ground up, is what we felt was a pretty straightforward statement and the easiest way we could present the fact that these paints are not re-labeled paints from an existing range. We see nothing wrong with re-labeling paints for different reasons. If it's presented openly, why not? However, this is not what we have done. The Two Thin Coats range has been developed over a long period of time, with a lot of trial and error, between Duncan and Roger and the chemists. The colors and the properties have been tweaked and changed with experimenting and testing at the Academy studio, Duncan's work desk, and during in-person meetings at the chemists' laboratory. We claim the chemists to be some of the world's foremost paint chemists. This may come off as hyperbolic. We are not claiming them to have contributed to creating the Covid 19 vaccine, but for being some of the world's foremost paint formulation chemists, and we stand by that. This team has decades of experience formulating specialty products for applications worldwide: from racing automobiles, industrial applications, marine, art, aerospace and yes, miniatures paints. In fact, they have developed more paint applications than I can list.

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 Ghaz wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
I do find it interesting that Duncan isn't actually involved in the KSer at all outside of the initial videos. Just leads me to believe that the only real involvement he really has its licensing his name -- which there's nothing wrong with -- and being paid to use them (either via licensing or portion of sales) much like chefs and their cooking lines. Just odd for such a small hobby where that kind of involvement it's normal.

It's been mentioned multiple times in the comments that both Duncan and Roger worked with the chemists on the paint formulations. That's a bit more than just 'licensing his name'.

Our claim that these paints are mixed from the ground up, is what we felt was a pretty straightforward statement and the easiest way we could present the fact that these paints are not re-labeled paints from an existing range. We see nothing wrong with re-labeling paints for different reasons. If it's presented openly, why not? However, this is not what we have done. The Two Thin Coats range has been developed over a long period of time, with a lot of trial and error, between Duncan and Roger and the chemists. The colors and the properties have been tweaked and changed with experimenting and testing at the Academy studio, Duncan's work desk, and during in-person meetings at the chemists' laboratory. We claim the chemists to be some of the world's foremost paint chemists. This may come off as hyperbolic. We are not claiming them to have contributed to creating the Covid 19 vaccine, but for being some of the world's foremost paint formulation chemists, and we stand by that. This team has decades of experience formulating specialty products for applications worldwide: from racing automobiles, industrial applications, marine, art, aerospace and yes, miniatures paints. In fact, they have developed more paint applications than I can list.


All that said, the example pieces shown in the KS painted with Duncan's paints all looked a bit crap, so this marketing text doesn't do much for me.

/Edit - I know he aims for basic level painters with his tutorials etc but you'd have thought he might have done something a bit beyond that for his range showpieces, that would have been a better marketing strategy, but apparently they didn't think so

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 Ghaz wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
I do find it interesting that Duncan isn't actually involved in the KSer at all outside of the initial videos. Just leads me to believe that the only real involvement he really has its licensing his name -- which there's nothing wrong with -- and being paid to use them (either via licensing or portion of sales) much like chefs and their cooking lines. Just odd for such a small hobby where that kind of involvement it's normal.

It's been mentioned multiple times in the comments that both Duncan and Roger worked with the chemists on the paint formulations. That's a bit more than just 'licensing his name'.



Chefs provide recipes for the food that companies license from them too. They're paid to provide a service and that's all. He's done that and completed his obligations. Once the paint is finished he'll get more money to paint with them. He's just a contractor--which is my main point. Again. Nothing wrong with that as it's pretty common in lots of other areas. Just the first time I've seen it in this hobby where the painter name is also part of the deal.

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JWBS wrote:
Spoiler:
 Ghaz wrote:
 Monkeysloth wrote:
I do find it interesting that Duncan isn't actually involved in the KSer at all outside of the initial videos. Just leads me to believe that the only real involvement he really has its licensing his name -- which there's nothing wrong with -- and being paid to use them (either via licensing or portion of sales) much like chefs and their cooking lines. Just odd for such a small hobby where that kind of involvement it's normal.

It's been mentioned multiple times in the comments that both Duncan and Roger worked with the chemists on the paint formulations. That's a bit more than just 'licensing his name'.

Our claim that these paints are mixed from the ground up, is what we felt was a pretty straightforward statement and the easiest way we could present the fact that these paints are not re-labeled paints from an existing range. We see nothing wrong with re-labeling paints for different reasons. If it's presented openly, why not? However, this is not what we have done. The Two Thin Coats range has been developed over a long period of time, with a lot of trial and error, between Duncan and Roger and the chemists. The colors and the properties have been tweaked and changed with experimenting and testing at the Academy studio, Duncan's work desk, and during in-person meetings at the chemists' laboratory. We claim the chemists to be some of the world's foremost paint chemists. This may come off as hyperbolic. We are not claiming them to have contributed to creating the Covid 19 vaccine, but for being some of the world's foremost paint formulation chemists, and we stand by that. This team has decades of experience formulating specialty products for applications worldwide: from racing automobiles, industrial applications, marine, art, aerospace and yes, miniatures paints. In fact, they have developed more paint applications than I can list.


All that said, the example pieces shown in the KS painted with Duncan's paints all looked a bit crap, so this marketing text doesn't do much for me.

/Edit - I know he aims for basic level painters with his tutorials etc but you'd have thought he might have done something a bit beyond that for his range showpieces, that would have been a better marketing strategy, but apparently they didn't think so

Yeah they should post a bit more high end stuff to show the range of paints.
Also the paint look very satin. Hugh turn off for me

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It's the metallics that really turn me off tbh. They look so lame, even considering there isn't a dedicated shade/wash, just looks so flat and dull.

/Edit - and that Space Wolf - okay, he has painted within the lines there, good job, but where is the shade and hilight? Not exactly inspiring, but for 2x the price of Citadel, 3x the price of Valejo, people are going for this? Okay, I don't get it.

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Maybe it's just to show what the paints will look like dry on a model? There is value in that to see how they cover and the like.

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JWBS wrote:

/Edit - I know he aims for basic level painters with his tutorials etc but you'd have thought he might have done something a bit beyond that for his range showpieces, that would have been a better marketing strategy, but apparently they didn't think so

I don't think that showing Golden Demon level paintjobs is really necessary for showing examples of paint in action. It's good for 'wow' factor, but kind of meaningless for the campaign. After all, someone with the skill to paint at that level can get good results from any paints... so a high-level paintjob is more of an indicator of the painter's skill than the quality of the paint.

What these example pics show is consistent colour coverage and smooth coats. And that's what's relevant to the vast majority of miniature painters.

 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
JWBS wrote:

/Edit - I know he aims for basic level painters with his tutorials etc but you'd have thought he might have done something a bit beyond that for his range showpieces, that would have been a better marketing strategy, but apparently they didn't think so

I don't think that showing Golden Demon level paintjobs is really necessary for showing examples of paint in action. It's good for 'wow' factor, but kind of meaningless for the campaign. After all, someone with the skill to paint at that level can get good results from any paints... so a high-level paintjob is more of an indicator of the painter's skill than the quality of the paint.

What these example pics show is consistent colour coverage and smooth coats. And that's what's relevant to the vast majority of miniature painters.


Hard disagree. From the moment we've opened our first White Dwarf, literally every single one of us has seen those glorious paintjobs and aspired to have an army of little plastic men looking just as shiny as beautiful as what we see on the printed page (or the IG profile these days). Without that, they're just tonka toys or GI joes. It's the paint that sells it. The paint elevates it above cheap plastic toys. Sure, some of us might reign in our expectations over time, but as far as the shop window presentation goes, it should be Ferrari, not Nissan. Needless to say I'm perplexed. These paints look basic, and they're priced at a premium. Hype machine in action I suppose (w/o any of the hype, just some basic ass examples).

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