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2022/03/11 20:22:05
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
Togusa wrote: I just don't see a lot of use for the service. I can that that 50$ a year and just put it into a kit that I want, which will bring me much, much more joy than what W+ offers.
I don't fault the merits of that approach, I just have far more kits to work on than things to play in the background while I do.
Exodite is still fun (and still too short ). Looking forward to more.
PenitentJake wrote: The hints we've seen about the next set of models don't grab me the way that Vindicare did though, so GW is going to have to do something to keep me, cuz if they don't I'm gone as soon as the Vindicare shows up on my doorstep.
We've seen hints of the next round of models? What are they? I must have missed that.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2022/03/12 14:45:40
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
PenitentJake wrote: Yeah, this year that's basically what I did- I put my money into a Vindicare model because I liked it enough to pay for it, and I regard the service as a bonus.
The hints we've seen about the next set of models don't grab me the way that Vindicare did though, so GW is going to have to do something to keep me, cuz if they don't I'm gone as soon as the Vindicare shows up on my doorstep.
I didn't even look at the service as a bonus. I think I was a little but not that late to the party, but the service doesn't do much. If I could see basic info on each datasheet (for books I don't own) roughly equivalent to what I'd get from Battlescribe then you're talking. A curated collection of a couple comic strips is... not that.
My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings.
2022/03/22 19:27:45
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
Togusa wrote: I just don't see a lot of use for the service. I can that that 50$ a year and just put it into a kit that I want, which will bring me much, much more joy than what W+ offers.
I don't fault the merits of that approach, I just have far more kits to work on than things to play in the background while I do.
I get distracted, so I tend to listen to things I've seen. Usually when I hobby, I have some random episode of TNG, DS9, Voyager, or MASH on in the background.
2022/03/23 01:27:46
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
Geifer wrote: Exodite is still fun (and still too short ). Looking forward to more.
PenitentJake wrote: The hints we've seen about the next set of models don't grab me the way that Vindicare did though, so GW is going to have to do something to keep me, cuz if they don't I'm gone as soon as the Vindicare shows up on my doorstep.
We've seen hints of the next round of models? What are they? I must have missed that.
Just silhouettes- the merest of teasers. Here's some info:
I signed up day one. It's been awhile now and, while I'm not thrilled with the slow drip of content, I cannot complain to much. The content that has been released so far, I like. Their battle reports have set the bar for production quality. The iOS app works well and the annual price is fair.
Though on the weeks where there are only Warhammer Vault additions, I get pretty salty and have to remind myself that I only spent $60.00 on it for the whole year, got a $35.00 model, an almost $20.00 gift certificate (it was like $18.00, LOL) and derive more enjoyment from it than my Amazon Prime account that is now $140.00 a year.
What I would like to figure out is what percentage of the subscription fee does the inclusion of the Warhammer App equate to and then demand this amount back as a refund. Because the Warhammer App is worthless trash.
2022/03/23 20:46:51
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.
Spoiler:
Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.
Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.
Ok wow, that was on a whole different level than any of their previous animations. If they keep producing content of that quality I will be very happy.
So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.
Spoiler:
Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.
Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.
Yeah, but why?
Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.
But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2022/03/24 15:41:42
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.
Spoiler:
Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.
Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.
Yeah, but why?
Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.
But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?
Spoiler:
Because we've got LOTS of stories about Steve. We know Steve inside and out and whilst his story is very worth telling as well, Fred has a story we've seen less of in general. So instead of Steve we get Fred. It's not that one side has the superior story, its simply choosing a side and going with it and in this case going with the Plague Marine Sorcerer. And we see loads of agency and elements; we see how the Gods play with their mortal followers; how failure is rewarded; how the warp is used to twist and turn and how the smallest of little demons might just be FAR greater and far more fearsome within the warp. How it corrupts, twists and guides the fallen Marines to do its bidding. We see puss and mutation and we see how the Plague Marines operate.
There's a lot of great elements here in fleshing out the fleshy puss oozing world of the Plague Marines.
And in the end the story can only have so many twists and turns because its a short. It's got one session to tell its entire story. It can't so easily go into super deep complicated twists and turns or setting up a huge major character arc and such because there just isn't the time. The more you'd try and push that kind of story into this kind of time frame the more it might feel rushed, hurried, missing big chunks and the more heavily it would rely on a deeper understanding of the lore of the setting so that it can get away without having to explain things.
So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.
Spoiler:
Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.
Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.
Yeah, but why?
Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.
But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?
Spoiler:
Because we've got LOTS of stories about Steve. We know Steve inside and out and whilst his story is very worth telling as well, Fred has a story we've seen less of in general. So instead of Steve we get Fred. It's not that one side has the superior story, its simply choosing a side and going with it and in this case going with the Plague Marine Sorcerer. And we see loads of agency and elements; we see how the Gods play with their mortal followers; how failure is rewarded; how the warp is used to twist and turn and how the smallest of little demons might just be FAR greater and far more fearsome within the warp. How it corrupts, twists and guides the fallen Marines to do its bidding. We see puss and mutation and we see how the Plague Marines operate.
There's a lot of great elements here in fleshing out the fleshy puss oozing world of the Plague Marines.
And in the end the story can only have so many twists and turns because its a short. It's got one session to tell its entire story. It can't so easily go into super deep complicated twists and turns or setting up a huge major character arc and such because there just isn't the time. The more you'd try and push that kind of story into this kind of time frame the more it might feel rushed, hurried, missing big chunks and the more heavily it would rely on a deeper understanding of the lore of the setting so that it can get away without having to explain things.
Spoiler:
The thing is, we see less of Fred in movies because we're Fred. We clock in, do our job, clock out, and all the most exciting things that happen during our day are in the realm of the expected. Fred usually appears in stories where the point is normality. Dramas more than anything whose focus isn't entertainment. I don't agree with the notion that neither Fred's nor Steve's perspective is superior because it disregards the needs and expectations of the genre. Space war with divine intervention and time travel is not compatible with Fred's story because it is out of the ordinary and specifically aimed to be out of the ordinary, for the purpose of entertainment.
Fred, as it happens, adds nothing to the story. Spawn-to-be guy could be blamed for the burning of the garden and punished for it directly by Nurgle. The ship that took them to the right place at the exact right moment does not require Fred to get there. Fred does nothing about the Imperial battle group and the fearful mutant who was executed by Fred did nothing but give everyone a few moments while they waited for the Imperial ships to disintegrate, which would have happened with or without the execution. Battle on the space station is force versus force, where Fred makes no appreciable difference. He's just one Marine among a number. The door is opened by the Nurgling and its new spawn pet. And finally there's the plague that infests the Astropaths and requires a medium to channel the warp, which happens to be Fred but might as easily have been the Nurgling who has already been shown to capable of that. Throughout the story Fred doesn't make choices. Fred doesn't solve problems.
You could say it's a story about Nurgle and the trap his followers are in, where they are willing pawns that act as mindless extensions of the god, and that the episode illustrates Nurgle's nature well. Plus all the visuals you're talking about. I wouldn't disagree. If we consider that a compelling story, I'm still not seeing the compelling protagonist. There is a reason why Black Library Marines are regular dudes that wear a Marine costume. A pointy stick doesn't make for a compelling character. The compelling part is the hand that wields it. If there's no difference, the writers have nothing to offer the readers/viewers. I don't see that any of this consideration went into this episode of Hammer and Bolter.
Yeah. It's a short story, but I'm inclined to turn your view on its head and say the writers knew the format and what they could fit into it, seen the limitations and went with it anyway. Time for some subjectivity, but my experience with the episode could well be described with your words: "rushed, hurried, missing big chunks". The previous Mechanicus story did the divine quest so well, and I'm just not seeing any of that in this episode.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
2022/03/27 21:02:36
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
I quite enjoyed it but its nowhere near as good as Kill Protocol (the Ad Mech one) - that was really good.
Really hoping we get something, anything Age of Sigmar related soon!!!
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Kill Protocol was really good but hampered by animation quality--the fights with the Orks using panning across a static picture to replace animations was particularly egregious. This one tops it for me because while it does not match the fantastic writing the animation is an order of magnitude better.
So I liked every other Hammer and Bolter just fine, but this one, truth be told, was just weird gak and I didn't get it.
Spoiler:
Basically within the Warp itself there's no concept of linear time. So what this Plague army does is attack what is in effect a message relay station of the Imperium, which uses Astropaths who tap into the Warp to deliver messages across the great gulf of space. When the Priest enters the hall and infects the Astropaths he creates a virus that infects their souls and minds, that sets root and corrupts them. Because there's no concept of time they are then able to basically infect all the other ships in the fleet in the past, which means that they rot and fall apart when the Chaos Warship first arrives in the system, because reality and time are being messed with.
Of course he still has to infect the place and take it over to complete the process and to close the circle of events so that the plague is created to then infect the past to allow him through.
Yeah, but why?
Spoiler:
So, I'm not going to talk about time travel nonsense in general. I don't like it. Others do. To each their own.
But why would you make the story about Plague Marine Fred who is working his 9 to 5 job with no agency or stakes or much in the way of investment in what's going on when on the other side you could watch Astropath Steve having a really bad day at the office or Commander Mike taking desperate measures to fight the sudden and explainable outbreak? Why choose the character whose only job is to turn off the lights and lock the door on the way out? Why should I think that's the right protagonist for this story?
Spoiler:
Because we've got LOTS of stories about Steve. We know Steve inside and out and whilst his story is very worth telling as well, Fred has a story we've seen less of in general. So instead of Steve we get Fred. It's not that one side has the superior story, its simply choosing a side and going with it and in this case going with the Plague Marine Sorcerer. And we see loads of agency and elements; we see how the Gods play with their mortal followers; how failure is rewarded; how the warp is used to twist and turn and how the smallest of little demons might just be FAR greater and far more fearsome within the warp. How it corrupts, twists and guides the fallen Marines to do its bidding. We see puss and mutation and we see how the Plague Marines operate.
There's a lot of great elements here in fleshing out the fleshy puss oozing world of the Plague Marines.
And in the end the story can only have so many twists and turns because its a short. It's got one session to tell its entire story. It can't so easily go into super deep complicated twists and turns or setting up a huge major character arc and such because there just isn't the time. The more you'd try and push that kind of story into this kind of time frame the more it might feel rushed, hurried, missing big chunks and the more heavily it would rely on a deeper understanding of the lore of the setting so that it can get away without having to explain things.
I fully agree with you, but I also I don't understand Geifer's argument that this is a regular day for DG--it isn't like Plague Song depicts a common or normal occurrence. It quite clearly is NOT business as usual.
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I got an email from GW inviting me to complete a survey on Warhammer, with some generic questions regarding what i liked about warhammer etc, and what parts of the GW brand I take part in (painting/modelling.40k/HH/AOS/Black library etc) but it was mostly focused on Warhammer plus: did I subscribe, did I end my subscription and why.
What was nice was that it wasn't just check boxes, but a large number of questions allowed to write in feedback in detail.
I wrote that I cancelled the subscription because there wasn't enough content and it was over priced for what it was. In addition that I would like to be able to access electronic versions of the rules etc without having to buy hard copies.
2022/04/20 14:12:56
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
Aash wrote: I got an email from GW inviting me to complete a survey on Warhammer, with some generic questions regarding what i liked about warhammer etc, and what parts of the GW brand I take part in (painting/modelling.40k/HH/AOS/Black library etc) but it was mostly focused on Warhammer plus: did I subscribe, did I end my subscription and why.
What was nice was that it wasn't just check boxes, but a large number of questions allowed to write in feedback in detail.
I wrote that I cancelled the subscription because there wasn't enough content and it was over priced for what it was. In addition that I would like to be able to access electronic versions of the rules etc without having to buy hard copies.
I got this too. I assume the surveys were the same, but perhaps it ended depending on the answered given? My survey was very long; easily 100+ questions; it took me like 30 minutes to do it.. It asked some questions about Warhammer+, but also a lot of questions about the W40K game, rules, balance, tournaments... all manner of things.
2022/04/20 17:22:37
Subject: First Month of Warhammer+, How Are We Feeling?
shadowsfm wrote: Yeay, first episode of Interrogator is available
Just watched it.
Genuine Content Warning for anyone who watches WH+ with their Littles? Two actual, proper Swears. Including an F Bomb. Both swears used suitably contextually in my opinion as a Very Sweary person.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
). Looking forward to more.
