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**Mymearan**

Yeah they are way too expensive even if they are as big as a Dracoth. Damn it GW

**AlexHolker**

jonolikespie wrote:
Ugly, stupidly expensive even by GW standards,

"Stupid expensive" is inadequate at this point. Each of these ugly bastards costs as much as an entire box of Chaos Knights.

**coldgaming**

Wow, those knights are incredible. I think they've been knocking it out of the park on the new models.

I'm not clear on the battle tome though. Is it like the Dreadhold one, which is mostly about the fortress, and this mostly about Archaon and those knights? Or is it a full undivided Chaos army book?

**streetsamurai**

As critical as I am of this AOS fiasco, I must say that theses guys are incredible. Price is ridiculous though

**aracersss**

new disc lord spotted

Spoiler:

... next week right?

**prowla**

streetsamurai wrote:
As critical as I am of this AOS fiasco, I must say that theses guys are incredible. Price is ridiculous though

My thoughts exactly.

They are a bit over the top, but everything is pretty nicely sculpted. And look, no skull acne to ruin the models! However, the price.. yeah.

**angelofvengeance**

Love the knights. Feels like they'll be rather large knights (at £60 for 3, you'd hope so!). Plus, I'm not sure what all the whining about the Battletome is about. The rules for all the models are free to download. The tomes are just fluffy books with a few scenarios in.

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

Mymearan wrote:
Yeah they are way too expensive even if they are as big as a Dracoth. Damn it GW

So, the full price for the chaos release so far is 256€ (archie+3 ugly bastards + battletome) I can guess the Sorcerer next week will be roughly 40€ (but it may be more expensive) which will round it all up at 300€... provided there are no further releases.

Now - and this is actually a serious question to the Chaos players out there - how much Chaos FB could you buy with 300€ back when 8th came out? I am just looking for a quick comparison here.

**OgreChubbs**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
Yeah they are way too expensive even if they are as big as a Dracoth. Damn it GW

So, the full price for the chaos release so far is 256€ (archie+3 ugly bastards + battletome) I can guess the Sorcerer next week will be roughly 40€ (but it may be more expensive) which will round it all up at 300€... provided there are no further releases.

Now - and this is actually a serious question to the Chaos players out there - how much Chaos FB could you buy with 300€ back when 8th came out? I am just looking for a quick comparison here.

16 block soldiers aka warrios of chaos. Archon on a minecraft horse and a sorc.

**warboss**

Alpharius wrote:
3 for $100...wow.

On a more positive note, it is good to see someone other than Sigmar or Chaos getting new stuff.

I wonder if these guys are significantly larger than bloodcrushers that go for $54.50 for 3 and came out a few years ago.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Bloodcrushers-of-Khorne

They look about the same size (a bit taller mounts and bulker riders but the bloodcrusher mounts look broader) but maybe they're bigger than the pics make them out to be like Archaon.

**kodos**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Now - and this is actually a serious question to the Chaos players out there - how much Chaos FB could you buy with 300€ back when 8th came out? I am just looking for a quick comparison here.

At the beginning of 8th you got the Force Boxes for 80€ with 16 Marauders, 12 Warriors, 10 Hounds and 5 Knights

**Drakkar du Chaos**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
Yeah they are way too expensive even if they are as big as a Dracoth. Damn it GW

So, the full price for the chaos release so far is 256€ (archie+3 ugly bastards + battletome) I can guess the Sorcerer next week will be roughly 40€ (but it may be more expensive) which will round it all up at 300€... provided there are no further releases.

Now - and this is actually a serious question to the Chaos players out there - how much Chaos FB could you buy with 300€ back when 8th came out? I am just looking for a quick comparison here.

WoC NetList 2500 pts

Nurgle DP
Tzeentch BSB on Disc

6 Chariot
2 Chimera
6 Blood Crusher

320£
418€
444$

**Mr Morden**

The Knights look great but horrendous price.

**Atia**

aracersss wrote:
new disc lord spotted

Spoiler:

... next week right?

The Gaunt Summoner, yep^^

**Grimskul**

I'm dreading the updates for other armies now considering this is the new norm they're going for. Half the reason why 8th edition WFB did so poorly was because of the high entry costs to get a proper army going, they just seem to be doubling down on that problem.

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

Grimskul wrote:
I'm dreading the updates for other armies now considering this is the new norm they're going for. Half the reason why 8th edition WFB did so poorly was because of the high entry costs to get a proper army going, they just seem to be doubling down on that problem.

But won't they look pretty on the shelf? I mean, that's what 80% of the customers do, right?

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Spoiler:

#2 looks like somebody tried to hit a wiffle ball through the ring between his horns and missed.

**MongooseMatt**

Grimskul wrote:
I'm dreading the updates for other armies now considering this is the new norm they're going for. Half the reason why 8th edition WFB did so poorly was because of the high entry costs to get a proper army going, they just seem to be doubling down on that problem.

You need less.

Those three Knights are going to be a viable unit. In 8th, you would have likely been looking at getting two or three boxes to make a decent unit. Much the same applies with everything else (speaking as a Dark Elf player who had a unit of Witch Elves...).

**Da Boss**

Still a huge rip off. Better go get a box of the old knights while I still can!

**NinthMusketeer**

MongooseMatt wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
I'm dreading the updates for other armies now considering this is the new norm they're going for. Half the reason why 8th edition WFB did so poorly was because of the high entry costs to get a proper army going, they just seem to be doubling down on that problem.

You need less.

Those three Knights are going to be a viable unit. In 8th, you would have likely been looking at getting two or three boxes to make a decent unit. Much the same applies with everything else (speaking as a Dark Elf player who had a unit of Witch Elves...).

Two or three boxes was often less than this one box of new knights. Only a handful of similarly high-priced units compare, really.

They do look nice imo, a little busy but I like the 'used-to-be-a-horse' look of the steeds.

**Uriels_Flame**

Anyone host/post for the work-blocked?

Thanks!

**Breotan**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Varanguard Knights - 3 for 100 US$ / 80 EUR / 60 £

And GW continues to wonder why people aren't buying Fantasy.

**jonolikespie**

MongooseMatt wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
I'm dreading the updates for other armies now considering this is the new norm they're going for. Half the reason why 8th edition WFB did so poorly was because of the high entry costs to get a proper army going, they just seem to be doubling down on that problem.

You need less.

Those three Knights are going to be a viable unit. In 8th, you would have likely been looking at getting two or three boxes to make a decent unit. Much the same applies with everything else (speaking as a Dark Elf player who had a unit of Witch Elves...).

3 bloodcrushers worked in 8th. 6 worked a lot better, and we the most you'd ever need. 9 would be way too many.
How much do these three cost? That's right, the same as 6 bloodcrushers.
Now how many do you actually need in AoS? There is no minimum, but then there wasn't in 8th either. WD seems to imply 6 is a good number though...

**Lockark**

The new chaos knights look cool, but not sure if they are $120 cool... the current chaos knights are $40, if these guys are replacing that kit I'm going to be super disappointing.

Also kinda like the current ones more for kit bashing. Will be a shame to lose that kit.

Can someone tell me if they will be replacing the Knights? If yes I need to head to my lgw to grab a box before their gone.

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

jonolikespie wrote:
MongooseMatt wrote:
Grimskul wrote:
I'm dreading the updates for other armies now considering this is the new norm they're going for. Half the reason why 8th edition WFB did so poorly was because of the high entry costs to get a proper army going, they just seem to be doubling down on that problem.

You need less.

Those three Knights are going to be a viable unit. In 8th, you would have likely been looking at getting two or three boxes to make a decent unit. Much the same applies with everything else (speaking as a Dark Elf player who had a unit of Witch Elves...).

3 bloodcrushers worked in 8th. 6 worked a lot better, and we the most you'd ever need. 9 would be way too many.
How much do these three cost? That's right, the same as 6 bloodcrushers.
Now how many do you actually need in AoS? There is no minimum, but then there wasn't in 8th either. WD seems to imply 6 is a good number though...

Let me just add... *Cough* Mournfang Cavalry *Cough*

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Lockark wrote:

Can someone tell me if they will be replacing the Knights? If yes I need to head to my lgw to grab a box before their gone.

GW approves of this lack of information!

**NinthMusketeer**

I think/hope they aren't replacements, as they seem to be a monstrous cavalry version of regular knights. I don't see why the two kits shouldn't exist alongside each other, especially since the chaos knight kit is still a good set of models.

**Alpharius**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Spoiler:

#2 looks like somebody tried to hit a wiffle ball through the ring between his horns and missed.

You are, of course, absolutely right!

ha!

**OgreChubbs**

The worse part Is they come in threes now I will need twelve now so 4 boxes.

**jonolikespie**

It lookes like they are called (I can't read Norwegian or whatever it is, perhaps their called Vanguard?), Knights of Ruin.

If so, they will not replace the current knights. If they did replace the current knights they would have to change the battalion box too, with the half assed AoS support we have seen so far I can't imagine them doing that.

**coldgaming**

I wouldn't think they're replacing the regular knights. They seem a bit more of a special choice than that. Still eager to know more about the Battletome. Would much prefer an undivided book than an Archaon special a la the Dreadhold.