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Cronch wrote:
Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.


The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.
   
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 Geifer wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Sorry, I understand animations are out of GW control since its a third party that does that but why this service did not start with:

A package with Dozens of painting tutorials, Battle reports, lore articles etc? Why 1 per week? Seems to me like GW did not invest themselves in developing content since this is something they have total control.



Not to sound funny, but in that case you understand more than GW seems to do. This week's gap doesn't make GW look good no matter what else they might have thrown in (not that they did, but, you know). They either thought a week without animation was fine, which would point to a terrible lack of understanding their customers, or they thought producing enough in advance was not necessary because they expected everything to work flawlessly and they'd produce enough on time for one episode per week, which would be reckless and unrealistic.

I've been wondering if and when this was going to happen. Having a good laugh right now, too.

Next fun thing thing to see: Do they just button down and wait for it to blow over, or do they recognize their blunder and implement improvements (not that those would happen quickly)?



I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.
I respect the editorial choice of concentrating in generating new and fresh things but I recon that they should have a dedicated a team of Librarians going through archives and organising them in a way that the subs can digest them.

- Making of GW video games, Concept art, back to the past, press releases etc.
- Black goblin the old digital hobby content packed in one nice list with all those articles.
- Youtube thousands of hours of painting articles, rearranged and relisted on a more orderly fashion and hosted on this channel ( no need for people to go to YouTube)
- Hundreds of hours of twitch streams library.
- GW stores locations, interviews, services and past events coverage.
- Golden demons all recorded entries and prizes.

I will stop but I think GW is a company healthy in therms of content.


   
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 The Phazer wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.


The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.


Good deal more than 100 a year, as they keep running out of stock.

I’d love to see digital versions added to the vault though. Sadly I’ve no idea what’s involved in doing that, beyond “scanning a copy”, which I understand to be a gross oversimplification of the process.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 The Phazer wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.


The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.


Good deal more than 100 a year, as they keep running out of stock.

I’d love to see digital versions added to the vault though. Sadly I’ve no idea what’s involved in doing that, beyond “scanning a copy”, which I understand to be a gross oversimplification of the process.


We can quibble the numbers, but ultimately it's not many, and as I say I doubt having an electronic version would even really hit the sales of that book. But it doesn't have to be ROC, but it's just an example of something that is old and wouldn't hit current sales but would get people excited. Another example would be the 2nd ed Codex Imperialis.

These just seem very easy wins.
   
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Honestly things like art and lore books are great to show digitally because they might actually encourage physical sales. I know that I've bought several comics/graphic novels because I enjoyed the art and such in the digital version and wanted to own in them paper. Without digital I'd likely never have bought them in the first place.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 The Phazer wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Because that'd limit profits from selling that thing if/when they reprint it. If it can make a decent profit on it's own, it's no going to be part of this service.


The only place you can buy the reprint is at the Warhammer World store. They probably sell what, a hundred a year, and I suspect most of those people would buy it irrespective for a physical copy.


Good deal more than 100 a year, as they keep running out of stock.

I’d love to see digital versions added to the vault though. Sadly I’ve no idea what’s involved in doing that, beyond “scanning a copy”, which I understand to be a gross oversimplification of the process.


If they're reprinting it, they already have a digital copy.
   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
Sorry, I understand animations are out of GW control since its a third party that does that but why this service did not start with:

A package with Dozens of painting tutorials, Battle reports, lore articles etc? Why 1 per week? Seems to me like GW did not invest themselves in developing content since this is something they have total control.



Not to sound funny, but in that case you understand more than GW seems to do. This week's gap doesn't make GW look good no matter what else they might have thrown in (not that they did, but, you know). They either thought a week without animation was fine, which would point to a terrible lack of understanding their customers, or they thought producing enough in advance was not necessary because they expected everything to work flawlessly and they'd produce enough on time for one episode per week, which would be reckless and unrealistic.

I've been wondering if and when this was going to happen. Having a good laugh right now, too.

Next fun thing thing to see: Do they just button down and wait for it to blow over, or do they recognize their blunder and implement improvements (not that those would happen quickly)?



I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.
I respect the editorial choice of concentrating in generating new and fresh things but I recon that they should have a dedicated a team of Librarians going through archives and organising them in a way that the subs can digest them.

- Making of GW video games, Concept art, back to the past, press releases etc.
- Black goblin the old digital hobby content packed in one nice list with all those articles.
- Youtube thousands of hours of painting articles, rearranged and relisted on a more orderly fashion and hosted on this channel ( no need for people to go to YouTube)
- Hundreds of hours of twitch streams library.
- GW stores locations, interviews, services and past events coverage.
- Golden demons all recorded entries and prizes.

I will stop but I think GW is a company healthy in therms of content.



Not sure about that list. There's certainly some good suggestions in there, but some of it is problematic. There has already been a notable negative response to Warhammer+ both with regard to doing things you can get free on Youtube and getting some content creators to stop making their stuff available for free and working for Warhammer+ instead. Removing existing, free Youtube videos like painting guides only to make them available on Warhammer+ again is not going to be a good move. I also doubt that as much as companies love to paywall stuff, hiding store locations from a portion of their customers is something they'd consider.

There is a reasonable expectation, and I'm sure GW is aware of this, that Warhammer+ is going to succeed by offering new content and things that are not easily accessible otherwise. Throwing in anything and everything they have, regardless of actual value, isn't going to be popular.

The need for new content is the core of the issue. The problem with Warhammer+ content creation is that GW is historically very conservative with their spending. Much of the trouble of the Kirby era was down to getting maximum profit out of minimum investment, with cost cutting as the go to fix to keep margins as high as possible. Even though some of Kirby's policies have been rectified in the meantime the reluctance to invest in unproven things is deeply ingrained in GW's corporate culture. We are lucky these days to have Genestealer Cults, Mechanicus, plastic Sisters and the like that GW went all in on, along with a large number of new and untested AoS armies. These things didn't happen overnight and it took GW to see the reception to the first of these armies to keep going and give us more. In my opinion they are handling Warhammer+ the same. Bare minimum investment to get the thing started, and only if it works out they'll actually do the necessary investments to grow it. If it's not reasonably successful either way they'll cut their losses. Not necessarily by dropping it but by sticking with what they've been doing and producing content as cheaply as possible. I never expected Warhammer+ to wow anybody out of the gate. That's just not how GW works.


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 Overread wrote:
Honestly things like art and lore books are great to show digitally because they might actually encourage physical sales. I know that I've bought several comics/graphic novels because I enjoyed the art and such in the digital version and wanted to own in them paper. Without digital I'd likely never have bought them in the first place.


Even if they don't have that added effect, it still gets people paying GW through the subscription.

There's also not that much competition between a digital offer and the physical books GW sells. GW doesn't frequently release art books and fluff of campaign books doesn't usually get reprinted comprehensively. Once the campaign book sells out, that's it and the best thing you can hope for as a new customer who missed that release is a partial reprint or recap in a future campaign book, codex or core rulebook that builds on it.

I mean, they're already doing it with more recent campaign books. They obviously see that this is an attractive choice. It just the question of if and how they're going to expand it.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
Warhammer plus is objectively poor value.


Is it?

A beer is £4.20 round my way. That’ll last me perhaps 20 minutes, and I get nothing to show for it. That price can go up depending on what you’re drinking, and whereabouts you are. This is why I don’t go drinking in London.

A cinema ticket is £12.00 or so. That’s what, 1.5 to 3 hours of entertainment in a format I can’t immediately rewatch.

I paid £55 for a Shocktoberfest ticket. That’s a good three or four hours, but again not something I can revisit on a whim.

Food wise I can do a couple of decent burgers with £5, more or less.



Yes it is.

I can watch stuff on youtube. For free.

Last time I checked, I couldn't download a beer, couldn't magically download a cinema room and cinema sound or even the paper ticket, I couldn't download a burger either.

But please continue to compare businesses with tangible costs to produce tangible experiences to something produced via electric signals

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 GoldenHorde wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
Warhammer plus is objectively poor value.


Is it?

A beer is £4.20 round my way. That’ll last me perhaps 20 minutes, and I get nothing to show for it. That price can go up depending on what you’re drinking, and whereabouts you are. This is why I don’t go drinking in London.

A cinema ticket is £12.00 or so. That’s what, 1.5 to 3 hours of entertainment in a format I can’t immediately rewatch.

I paid £55 for a Shocktoberfest ticket. That’s a good three or four hours, but again not something I can revisit on a whim.

Food wise I can do a couple of decent burgers with £5, more or less.



Yes it is.

I can watch stuff on youtube. For free.

Last time I checked, I couldn't download a beer, couldn't magically download a cinema room and cinema sound or even the paper ticket, I couldn't download a burger either.

But please continue to compare businesses with tangible costs to produce tangible experiences to something produced via electric signals


But that's not true is it. You can't actually watch the Warhammer+ series on Youtube. You could illegally stream them but then that's a moral choice. You also can't download the 40K or AoS app, or access the vault.

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StraightSilver wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 GoldenHorde wrote:
Warhammer plus is objectively poor value.


Is it?

A beer is £4.20 round my way. That’ll last me perhaps 20 minutes, and I get nothing to show for it. That price can go up depending on what you’re drinking, and whereabouts you are. This is why I don’t go drinking in London.

A cinema ticket is £12.00 or so. That’s what, 1.5 to 3 hours of entertainment in a format I can’t immediately rewatch.

I paid £55 for a Shocktoberfest ticket. That’s a good three or four hours, but again not something I can revisit on a whim.

Food wise I can do a couple of decent burgers with £5, more or less.



Yes it is.

I can watch stuff on youtube. For free.

Last time I checked, I couldn't download a beer, couldn't magically download a cinema room and cinema sound or even the paper ticket, I couldn't download a burger either.

But please continue to compare businesses with tangible costs to produce tangible experiences to something produced via electric signals


But that's not true is it. You can't actually watch the Warhammer+ series on Youtube. You could illegally stream them but then that's a moral choice. You also can't download the 40K or AoS app, or access the vault.


No, but you can watch Battle Reports, Painting Guides, Lore videos, Animations etc. on YouTube, for free. Most of which are higher quality than anything on WH+.

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 NAVARRO wrote:


I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.
I respect the editorial choice of concentrating in generating new and fresh things but I recon that they should have a dedicated a team of Librarians going through archives and organising them in a way that the subs can digest them.

- Making of GW video games, Concept art, back to the past, press releases etc.
- Black goblin the old digital hobby content packed in one nice list with all those articles.
- Youtube thousands of hours of painting articles, rearranged and relisted on a more orderly fashion and hosted on this channel ( no need for people to go to YouTube)
- Hundreds of hours of twitch streams library.
- GW stores locations, interviews, services and past events coverage.
- Golden demons all recorded entries and prizes.

I will stop but I think GW is a company healthy in therms of content.



Adding on to this:

-sit Simon Egan down for an interview on sculpting the primarchs, ask him what went into the design process, how long it takes him, what he takes inspiration from, etc etc
-do the same with... anybody. I'd listen to Jes Goodwin talk for a good couple of hours about designing space marines and Eldar
-concept artist interviews, bring in a bunch of the artists who worked for GW during 2nd, 3rd, 4th edition and get them talking grimdark
-think Mad Doc Grotsnik mentioned this, but bring in people like Andy Chambers, Adrian Wood, Paul Sawyer, to recreate classic and popular battle reports
-I'd subscribe in a heartbeat if they did more Horus Heresy content... again, designer interviews, show off more concept art, battle reports, etc etc
-have Andy Chambers, Rick Priestley, etc discuss the changing state of the game from Rogue Trader to 2nd edition to the 3rd edition overhaul of the rules and onward
-Darren Latham painting Masterclass in addition to what Louise is doing. have them cover the exact same topic, just in their own individual style. have them both do different things. who cares, they're both incredible artists
-Louise from what I remember did a lot of the heavy lifting on the Rogue Trader, Realms of Chaos reprints. cleaning up scanned pages of the original books, etc. Let her talk about that for a short series on restoring the old books.

The content that GW can throw into Warhammer+ is practically endless, there's literally no shortage of ideas for what they can put on this service beyond just the animations.

I think that the price is fine as it is - again, it's basically a fast food meal each month - but I do think that a lot of folks will drop their subscriptions fairly quickly if there isn't a steady stream of new content, especially animations. It does feel like Warhammer+ wasn't quite ready to roll out and that it was rushed, for whatever reason.
   
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With 3 main games, 1 new Specialist Game, and 4 more SG games there is no real reason why there is not a new battle report each day

40k, AoS, LotR on the weekend, KT, AT, AI, BB, Necromunda during the week

They could run a Necromunda Campaign with 1 game per week, alternate AT & AI, run KT games to show their shiny new Skirmish etc.

There are enough factions in each to play different ones each week to cover the time until new Animations or Lore videos are available

Why are the old painting videos which were removed from YT not available?


If you add a streaming service and want people to subscribe, there need to be content for everyone

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 Geifer wrote:

Not sure about that list. There's certainly some good suggestions in there, but some of it is problematic. There has already been a notable negative response to Warhammer+ both with regard to doing things you can get free on Youtube and getting some content creators to stop making their stuff available for free and working for Warhammer+ instead. Removing existing, free Youtube videos like painting guides only to make them available on Warhammer+ again is not going to be a good move. I also doubt that as much as companies love to paywall stuff, hiding store locations from a portion of their customers is something they'd consider.

There is a reasonable expectation, and I'm sure GW is aware of this, that Warhammer+ is going to succeed by offering new content and things that are not easily accessible otherwise. Throwing in anything and everything they have, regardless of actual value, isn't going to be popular.

The need for new content is the core of the issue. The problem with Warhammer+ content creation is that GW is historically very conservative with their spending. Much of the trouble of the Kirby era was down to getting maximum profit out of minimum investment, with cost cutting as the go to fix to keep margins as high as possible. Even though some of Kirby's policies have been rectified in the meantime the reluctance to invest in unproven things is deeply ingrained in GW's corporate culture. We are lucky these days to have Genestealer Cults, Mechanicus, plastic Sisters and the like that GW went all in on, along with a large number of new and untested AoS armies. These things didn't happen overnight and it took GW to see the reception to the first of these armies to keep going and give us more. In my opinion they are handling Warhammer+ the same. Bare minimum investment to get the thing started, and only if it works out they'll actually do the necessary investments to grow it. If it's not reasonably successful either way they'll cut their losses. Not necessarily by dropping it but by sticking with what they've been doing and producing content as cheaply as possible. I never expected Warhammer+ to wow anybody out of the gate. That's just not how GW works.


.



Oh yes its quite apparent by now that this has been either planned in a rush or is simply underfunded. Trailing the waters before full committing.

Theres something to be said about past content that could be part of the deal. Plenty of content is forever lost or fragmented into the big WWW and this could provide the perfect opportunity, package them all in one platform.
Simple things that people enjoy like (armies on Parade) is spread everywhere and for the most part lost. One page with galleries divided by years would be quite interesting. Just an example.

   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:


Adding on to this:

-sit Simon Egan down for an interview on sculpting the primarchs, ask him what went into the design process, how long it takes him, what he takes inspiration from, etc etc
-do the same with... anybody. I'd listen to Jes Goodwin talk for a good couple of hours about designing space marines and Eldar
-concept artist interviews, bring in a bunch of the artists who worked for GW during 2nd, 3rd, 4th edition and get them talking grimdark
-think Mad Doc Grotsnik mentioned this, but bring in people like Andy Chambers, Adrian Wood, Paul Sawyer, to recreate classic and popular battle reports
-I'd subscribe in a heartbeat if they did more Horus Heresy content... again, designer interviews, show off more concept art, battle reports, etc etc
-have Andy Chambers, Rick Priestley, etc discuss the changing state of the game from Rogue Trader to 2nd edition to the 3rd edition overhaul of the rules and onward
-Darren Latham painting Masterclass in addition to what Louise is doing. have them cover the exact same topic, just in their own individual style. have them both do different things. who cares, they're both incredible artists
-Louise from what I remember did a lot of the heavy lifting on the Rogue Trader, Realms of Chaos reprints. cleaning up scanned pages of the original books, etc. Let her talk about that for a short series on restoring the old books.

The content that GW can throw into Warhammer+ is practically endless, there's literally no shortage of ideas for what they can put on this service beyond just the animations.

I think that the price is fine as it is - again, it's basically a fast food meal each month - but I do think that a lot of folks will drop their subscriptions fairly quickly if there isn't a steady stream of new content, especially animations. It does feel like Warhammer+ wasn't quite ready to roll out and that it was rushed, for whatever reason.


To add to this further, I'd love to see more info on the model design process. Follow a model from concept sketch, to CAD, to sprue layout & mold design, and then production. It's something they've covered briefly in White Dwarf before but would work better in a video format.
   
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Warhammer plus....so lacking in content the stuff they do have doesn't even have credits.

That's objectively unprofessional.

No AOS animation.

That's a joke.

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Have they pulled duncan, peachy and other painting tutorials exclusively on to plus yet? That should help bulk out the channel even if just a little bit
   
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No. They're still available on YouTube, but from the way Nick Bayton was talking on the Hobby Clinic show on Twitch the week before last he's been pulled off the painting tutorials to be on Battle Reports on WH+. They had a job posting that looked like it was to do painting tutorials along with Peachy but it looks like the posting has already closed.

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 Ghaz wrote:
No. They're still available on YouTube, but from the way Nick Bayton was talking on the Hobby Clinic show on Twitch the week before last he's been pulled off the painting tutorials to be on Battle Reports on WH+. They had a job posting that looked like it was to do painting tutorials along with Peachy but it looks like the posting has already closed.


Probably better that way. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but in his painting tutorials he always came off as trying way too hard to act like a charismatic human person to me.
   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:


The content that GW can throw into Warhammer+ is practically endless, there's literally no shortage of ideas for what they can put on this service beyond just the animations.




I agree 100% with that. They have such a huge backlog of things potentially interesting that I doesn't sit right the lack of content on the service. Almost like they want to have a Warhammer+ without putting too much leg work into it, not even reposting things or building a respectable catalog of audiovisual products.

Another question... Why not record or broadcast live events like games day or gencon seminars etc? Surely people that cannot attend would love to watch it.

Its almost like they have already built a massive amount of content but want to hide it from everyone.


   
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There is so much inexpensive content they could generate.

Someone assembling miniatures.
Making terrain.
Designers talking about stuff they've designed.
Have someone take readers on tours of old White Dwarf content.
Show pictures and talk about Golden Daemon entries.
Tour of Warhammer World.
Make a 5 minute video about each of the amazing displays at Warhammer World.
Do one of those panel shows where 3-4 people talk about topics like: which Primarch would win at Scrabble, which Black Crusade was the blackest, what AoS realm would you want to live in, etc.
   
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I'm surprised that the main complain seems to be lack of content and that GW is failing to provide interesting volumes of it..
We are talking about a company that has been generating content for several decades.


I might actually subscribe if they:

- Add ALL the previous White Dwarf magazines back to issue 1 or at least as far back as they can reasonably go. It doesn't need to be the current issues, so they can still monetise those.

- Add ALL the previous codexes, expansion books, IA books, and rulebooks up to 7th edition. Basically all the rules prior to the great reset that was 8th edition. Let people see how the lore has changed. Let people experience how the older editions played.

- Add ALL the previous Chapter Approved, How To Paint Citadel Miniatures books, and all the other minor hobby books they released. They had some great insight into the designers thoughts and ideas, had some creative experimental rules.

The best part is GW doesn't even sell any of this stuff anymore, so it's hardly taking anything from their pocket. All of this would literally add hundreds of hours of reading material.

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 bbb wrote:
There is so much inexpensive content they could generate.

Someone assembling miniatures.
Making terrain.
Tour of Warhammer World.
Make a 5 minute video about each of the amazing displays at Warhammer World.


On the topic of Warhammer World, have an entire series on how they built those awesome tables in the gaming hall. There are some really cool setups in there. Start with the concept art, ideas, and have someone run through the entire process.
   
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The lack of rules in publications and old books is ridiculous.

If they put up all the old rulebook & supplements it would be enuff to get me to subscribe.
   
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But, the last instalment of the Blood Angel Animation was 28mins long and is no instalment this week. It was probably a mid season finally...

I enjoyed the show, but if it is a mid season finally I am disappointed. Wanted more episodes...


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Adding to all of the above, they already managed something approaching that on Twitch before the pandemic too. Typically 2-3 battle reports a week and several hours of interviews, showcases etcetera. Depending on the preferred format, some or a lot of editing would be required to tidy these up a little, but this was what they used to offer every week, for free*. Compared to this, or the output of Guerilla Miniature Games and the likes, and considering the amazing back catalogue of documents they have, and the various knowledgeable, skilled and creative people in their company, it really is mind boggling how they choose to offer so little in their "premium" paid service.
(*Live at least, IIRC past vods were available to paid subscribers, but they removed the paywall early in the pandemic when new live streams became tricky.)

   
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Racerguy180 wrote:
The lack of rules in publications and old books is ridiculous.

If they put up all the old rulebook & supplements it would be enuff to get me to subscribe.


I am in full agreement, but I suspect GW is worried that exposing people to older editions might impact sales on the "best edition yet". They seem very fond of their piecemeal rule sales to the point they've adopted some of the less savory DLC habits. Old editions have basically never actually been complete, but handing them out as part of a subscription and putting people in a position where they might enjoy essentially complete sets of superior rules without ever paying for a new codex or supplement again seems like something they are unwilling to risk, as highlighted by removing rules from the campaign books they put up in the vault.

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Eh its a null worry really. Old rules editions are still out there and very plentiful in supply in paper format. Same as they are for most other games that have older editions; heck even video games have older edition downloads.

Those who will use them will still get access and use them; but the vast overwhelming majority keep "up to date" with the latest.


Putting things like old battletomes/codex/rulebooks up might actually net GW more money because now people with a casual interest in the history of the game and its lore and products won't have to spend money on secondhand products. They can just get them digitally from GW directly.


The biggest issue would be if they put up old editions as full books online because that's something they've taken away from the current digital release of the rules. So that would be the big "risk" for them; that people would want digital access to current publications too.
Of course if they bundle that in as paid extras to the Warhammer+ system then it won't "harm" the digital apps.

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Rihgu wrote:
 Moopy wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
When I upgraded my app's subscription to the full Warhammer+ sub it just worked for me. I couldn't actually make a Warhammer+ subscription except through upgrading my app.


Did you buy your Warhammer+ subscription through the app then? That's what, $60 so you have to buy it twice. : /


Buy what twice? I was paying for the Warhammer App, and then Warhammer+ came out, so I went into my iPhone's app subscription settings and flipped "upgrade to Warhammer+".
I wasn't charged twice, didn't buy anything twice, it just took upgraded the subscription.


That's the thing that's driving me nuts- I don't see the "upgrade to Warhammer+" in my subscriptions. It just wants me to buy a year.

 
   
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 Overread wrote:
Eh its a null worry really. Old rules editions are still out there and very plentiful in supply in paper format. Same as they are for most other games that have older editions; heck even video games have older edition downloads.

Those who will use them will still get access and use them; but the vast overwhelming majority keep "up to date" with the latest.


Putting things like old battletomes/codex/rulebooks up might actually net GW more money because now people with a casual interest in the history of the game and its lore and products won't have to spend money on secondhand products. They can just get them digitally from GW directly.


It's not that I disagree with what you said, but just because that's a reasonable stance to take doesn't mean that GW reasons like that or sees the merit in it if they do. Of course my outlook is fundamentally different to yours about just how much GW's decisions are founded on pettiness and paranoia. So not much else to say on that, I guess.

 Overread wrote:
The biggest issue would be if they put up old editions as full books online because that's something they've taken away from the current digital release of the rules. So that would be the big "risk" for them; that people would want digital access to current publications too.
Of course if they bundle that in as paid extras to the Warhammer+ system then it won't "harm" the digital apps.


People want current digital editions regardless of whether anything comparable from older editions exists on Warhammer+ or not. I should know. I'm one of those people.

You're probably right that it gives such people additional cause to feel justified in their demands but I'm not really sure how relevant that is to GW. The decision to do away with digital codices is so mindnumbingly stupid that I'm not sure any reasonable argument is even going to touch on what's going on with GW in that regard.

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slightly off topic here, weren't subscribers supposed to get a $10 voucher when signed up for one month? Surely it's been that long and how is that distributed (old man memory syndrome)?
   
 
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