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From today's Warhammer Animation Preview:

Enter Warhammer+

This brand new service is heading your way in July, and you’ll be able to start watching all these shows, and more, on your favourite device – from your mobile or tablet to your 4K TV – thanks to a bespoke app created by a big name in VOD content.

Of course Warhammer+ will offer far more than these animations – the full line-up and awesome subscriber benefits will blow your socks off.

We’ll have more news about how it works, and how you get it, on the 23rd of June.


I wonder if they're going to abandon Twitch...

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Big yikes.
   
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Would explain why they're so eager to crack down on fan projects despite, in theory, being free advertising - they want to consolidate any and all animation behind a subscription service and if fans are cranking bolter porn out for free, it risks hurting the incentive to subscribe.
   
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Hard to see how they will have enough content to justify that kind of app. I guess if the price is not too high...

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Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?
   
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Ha, really? A warhammer only subscription service?

Hard pass. That's just laughable.


Throw in complimentary access to the entire black library catalog and a limited edition mini (the ones that they wont just selll) every month and maybe we can talk.

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 streetsamurai wrote:
Hard to see how they will have enough content to justify that kind of app. I guess if the price is not too high...

Probably be like the app. Throw a beta version out to the whales to throw all their money at eagerly, then release an improved version in the future to applause and "waow, NuGW listens to us!!!".
   
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Episode 1 of Angels of Death at launch confirmed, nothing else yet. This is laughable.


 
   
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 ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?


Well unlike almost all the other TV streaming services, GW don't have a backlog of 30+years of TV shows to just throw up onto a streaming service. They've had to start from the ground since barring one or two (rather questionable production value) earlier attempts and a few short fan made animations; there just isn't a huge backlog of Warhammer TV out there.

I mean its not as if this is a shock to anyone is it? IT was fairly clear that GW doing its own TV shows was going to most likely go the path of hteir own streaming service. From there we might see the most popular get pushed into mainstream streaming services now and then.

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Seems like there's a lot of shows in the works, but even so, how much you gonna pay for an episode a week of say 4 shows and nothing else?

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Well I wait to see what it provides, the products and at what costs.

If going by what little article provides it should have more then just animations.
   
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HAHAHAHA

Considering we're entering the time where people actually talk about [redacted evil high seas activity] due to how many VOD services there are and how fragmented the streaming market has become, it's about three years too late with a laughably tiny library.

Like...I'm sure some good consumers will sign up, but unless it's actual 1 pound a month it will be worth signing up once to watch it all in a month.

I bet you they will stop using Twitch in an effort to monetize their subs even more, and possibly move all paint tutorials there too from YT. GW's own little North Korea style media ecosystem.

(I also had a look at the animation clips, is it me or the 2d animation looks choppy as hell? It literally takes me back to newgrounds flash days)

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 Overread wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?


Well unlike almost all the other TV streaming services, GW don't have a backlog of 30+years of TV shows to just throw up onto a streaming service. They've had to start from the ground since barring one or two (rather questionable production value) earlier attempts and a few short fan made animations; there just isn't a huge backlog of Warhammer TV out there.

I mean its not as if this is a shock to anyone is it? IT was fairly clear that GW doing its own TV shows was going to most likely go the path of hteir own streaming service. From there we might see the most popular get pushed into mainstream streaming services now and then.


Its a shock to me. I figured they'd go to amazon or Netflix or one of the dozen others. That they're not tells me they've got no expectation that these shows are worth anything to anyone beyond a completely captive audience.

Considering the other projects that have made it to streaming services (critical role comes to mind with their animation series coming to amazon), GW not managing it seems like tripping over a low bar.

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They probably could have made more money by just uploading to Youtube and basking in the ad revenue.

Are any of these shows even remotely finished and ready to air? From the sound snippets on the Warhammer Community site it doesn't sound like most of them even have more than a few sound bites done.

This is going to end up a lot like the Warhammer app; 45% done at launch with a bunch of broken and buggy features that will take a year or more to implement correctly.
   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:
They probably could have made more money by just uploading to Youtube and basking in the ad revenue.

Are any of these shows even remotely finished and ready to air? From the sound snippets on the Warhammer Community site it doesn't sound like most of them even have more than a few sound bites done.

This is going to end up a lot like the Warhammer app; 45% done at launch with a bunch of broken and buggy features that will take a year or more to implement correctly.


Did that ever even happen with the 'warhammer app?'

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Voss wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
Wow, aren't they like a year or two late on the whole streaming service fad?


Well unlike almost all the other TV streaming services, GW don't have a backlog of 30+years of TV shows to just throw up onto a streaming service. They've had to start from the ground since barring one or two (rather questionable production value) earlier attempts and a few short fan made animations; there just isn't a huge backlog of Warhammer TV out there.

I mean its not as if this is a shock to anyone is it? IT was fairly clear that GW doing its own TV shows was going to most likely go the path of hteir own streaming service. From there we might see the most popular get pushed into mainstream streaming services now and then.


Its a shock to me. I figured they'd go to amazon or Netflix or one of the dozen others. That they're not tells me they've got no expectation that these shows are worth anything to anyone beyond a completely captive audience.

Considering the other projects that have made it to streaming services (critical role comes to mind with their animation series coming to amazon), GW not managing it seems like tripping over a low bar.


Honestly it seems like something execs thought would be a good idea.

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As much as I like the idea of Warhammer animations, this is almost doomed to failure before it launches. Bigger companies with more extensive libraries and a whole lot more exposure have tried this and failed. DC Universe comes to mind. With the absolute saturation of streaming services available and GW's penchant for way overcharging for things, I will be genuinely surprised if this lasts very long.

Seriously, their price point better be exceedingly low, especially given that they are going to drip-feed rather than follow the binge-watch method. It better not be more than $2/month.

If they want something like $8/month like Disney+, they had better fold in something like access to Black Library releases in digital format and the Warhammer App as part of the subscription. They need to actually give it value. I genuinely wish they would, but I know they won't.

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Its the way lots of hobbies are going.

Model railways both in the UK and US are doing websites with subscriptions. they tend to include loads of video content as well as digital version of the magazine and other content too.

So model railroader for instance gives you a digital archive of all their magazines, 85 years worth, and you get the new magazine added every month too.

Same with BRM in the UK.

I would guess that for GW some of the twitch shows will move to app only, they'll probably include the warhammer app in with the price too, and possibly a digital version of white dwarf.

Average prices for the railway ones is $70/£60 a year.
   
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We've seen the clips, they all look rather cheap, so unless the non-animated part is amazing, or the asking price is a pound a month, it'll be disappointing.
   
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Right they struggled to fill a week (not even that) of content with Warhammer fest... The hobby hang out on twitch is so boring that wow I don't even watch it for free.

Good luck!

   
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 Mr. Grey wrote:
They probably could have made more money by just uploading to Youtube and basking in the ad revenue.


I'm afraid you overestimate ad revenue. GW has 500k subscribers in Youtube, they'd be lucky to pull one middle class wage per show.

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 Arbitrator wrote:
Would explain why they're so eager to crack down on fan projects despite, in theory, being free advertising - they want to consolidate any and all animation behind a subscription service and if fans are cranking bolter porn out for free, it risks hurting the incentive to subscribe.
You know the guy doing Astartes was getting 20k a month from his Patreon? "Free" stopped being free decades ago.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?


Radical or not, they're going to struggle HARD to maintain a streaming service that right out of the gate seems to have a limited selection of less than 10 shows, most of which(as far as we're aware) aren't even remotely close to completion yet. Charge anything more than $1/month and it'll tank hard before it even gets off the ground.

They're advertising Astartes II, which judging by the speed that the creator previously worked at, can't be at anything more than a rough concept stage at this point, even if GW shoved a full animation studio at him and said "get to work, we need this by July 2021".

The 7 minutes of Angels of Death that they showed were... not awesome. It honestly reminded me of video game cutscenes between gameplay levels more than anything else.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
I am happy to pay money for product that obviously cost them money to make, rather than just demand they give all of it to us for free. The amount of entitlement thinking going on here actually surprises me, did people really think this was all just going to be free? Of course GW can still upset me with the price, but the concept of 'stuff costs money' is far too well established for me to get upset about it.

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Skeptical but happy to be won over if it's any good. Certainly won't be lining up to throw my money at it though

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did people really think this was all just going to be free?

It's literally no different to Transformers or GI Joe, it's designed to sell GW toys. Why would we pay for commercials?
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m going to be radical here.....

But how about people wait to see how exactly they’re gonna run this, before declaring it the worst thing since *insert objectively awful thing or person here*?
I am happy to pay money for product that obviously cost them money to make, rather than just demand they give all of it to us for free. The amount of entitlement thinking going on here actually surprises me, did people really think this was all just going to be free? Of course GW can still upset me with the price, but the concept of 'stuff costs money' is far too well established for me to get upset about it.


But no one is demanding free stuff?

It's simply a huge skepticism that GW can deliver any amount of content that would be worth the cost. It's like if they announced the new box set would be one marine but still cost $150 - complaints about that wouldn't be about "ungrateful plebs wanting free minis" it would be about value.

I'm sure there's a stable you can park that high horse in somewhere around here though.
   
 
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