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 Flinty wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Bequest of the Votann mentions two heroes - either Theyns or Hesyrs. Probably Hersirs which were a Scandinavian equivalent of a Thegn. Basically a wealthy landowner who commanded troops. I wonder what the difference is in game.

One will have a hammer and a gun, while the other has a gun and a hammer. Or CC and ranged variants or something.

You simple-minded fool.
Obviously they'll both have gun-hammers!

 Flinty wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Bequest of the Votann mentions two heroes - either Theyns or Hesyrs. Probably Hersirs which were a Scandinavian equivalent of a Thegn. Basically a wealthy landowner who commanded troops. I wonder what the difference is in game.

One will have a hammer and a gun, while the other has a gun and a hammer. Or CC and ranged variants or something.

I think that strat specifically states that they are not characters. Some type of unit Sargent perhaps? If so, that could be interesting. Basic grunt Sargents have 3 attacks, I'm betting these have 4. With this strat and the one that gives relics to two characters, Squats might be able to punch above their weight class.

Cthonian Beserkers? Were the Sons of Horus Squats this whole time?


(Cthonia means underworld, so its obviously just GW recycling words, but its still funny)

I'm most interested in the beam weapon strat. Hit a unit and all following bolt weapons have a chance of exploding 6s, triple hits if the target is 11+ models. Talk about horde clearing. A 20+ unit of Votaan could rapid fire and average 40 hits.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Bequest of the Votann mentions two heroes - either Theyns or Hesyrs. Probably Hersirs which were a Scandinavian equivalent of a Thegn. Basically a wealthy landowner who commanded troops. I wonder what the difference is in game.

One will have a hammer and a gun, while the other has a gun and a hammer. Or CC and ranged variants or something.

I think that strat specifically states that they are not characters. Some type of unit Sargent perhaps? If so, that could be interesting. Basic grunt Sargents have 3 attacks, I'm betting these have 4. With this strat and the one that gives relics to two characters, Squats might be able to punch above their weight class.

Hesyrs are probable leaders of the Einhyr -the exo-suit elite.

The pioneers are the bike unit that was shown off. Interesting mention of a Votann medic. From a quick glance it seems to have a very dwarf feel to it- the idea of vengeance/grudges, amplified by the judgement tokens is an interesting mechanism.
Really loving the sound of everything so far.

sounds like a release of -
Troops -Hearthkyn
Melee Troops- Bezerkers
Fast attack- Pioneers
Elite- Einhyr [exo-suit warriors]
Hekaton Land Fortress- big vehicle set.

Characters-
Warlord
Grimyrs [Psyker]
Medic?
Engineer?

I'd expect a light vehicle/walker/heavy trike box and a special character of some sort as well but thats a pretty solid release. Must be coming after Chaos, end of July for a possible Army box with a September/October main release at an optimistic guess.

I like how they included the whole fantasy Dwarf Grudge thing by giving them weaponized psychic grudges this time.

 silverstu wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Bequest of the Votann mentions two heroes - either Theyns or Hesyrs. Probably Hersirs which were a Scandinavian equivalent of a Thegn. Basically a wealthy landowner who commanded troops. I wonder what the difference is in game.

One will have a hammer and a gun, while the other has a gun and a hammer. Or CC and ranged variants or something.

I think that strat specifically states that they are not characters. Some type of unit Sargent perhaps? If so, that could be interesting. Basic grunt Sargents have 3 attacks, I'm betting these have 4. With this strat and the one that gives relics to two characters, Squats might be able to punch above their weight class.

Hesyrs are probable leaders of the Einhyr -the exo-suit elite.

The pioneers are the bike unit that was shown off. Interesting mention of a Votann medic. From a quick glance it seems to have a very dwarf feel to it- the idea of vengeance/grudges, amplified by the judgement tokens is an interesting mechanism.
Really loving the sound of everything so far.

sounds like a release of -
Troops -Hearthkyn
Melee Troops- Bezerkers
Fast attack- Pioneers
Elite- Einhyr [exo-suit warriors]
Hekaton Land Fortress- big vehicle set.

Characters-
Warlord
Grimyrs [Psyker]
Medic?
Engineer?

I'd expect a light vehicle/walker/heavy trike box and a special character of some sort as well but thats a pretty solid release. Must be coming after Chaos, end of July for a possible Army box with a September/October main release at an optimistic guess.

That's probably spot on. I'm expecting a few more vehicles on the way, probably multi kits.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Cthonian Beserkers? Were the Sons of Horus Squats this whole time?

It would explain the size of Abaddon, until the Studio fethed up and released his last model at Inquisitor scale instead of 40k scale...

 GaroRobe wrote:
Cthonian Beserkers? Were the Sons of Horus Squats this whole time?


(Cthonia means underworld, so its obviously just GW recycling words, but its still funny)

I'd like to think that they're sufficiently aware of their own franchise's background that they wouldn't name a unit something like that without intending for it to be related to Horus' world. I mean, Cthonia is a *mining world* after all. I don't think that's a coincidence here.

Honestly, this could even help to provide interesting context for the Leagues' current distance from the Imperium - beyond their quite justifiable fear of the IoM's generally psychotic world view, I mean.

So let me get this straight. Squats are going to get new berserker models before the World Eaters do?

Sounds about par for the course. World Eaters can go ____ themselves again.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So let me get this straight. Squats are going to get new berserker models before the World Eaters do?

Sounds about par for the course. World Eaters can go ____ themselves again.

World Eaters decided to let theirs finish growing so they can have full sized versions.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
You simple-minded fool.
Obviously they'll both have gun-hammers!

Please: Shotgun-Hammers!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
You simple-minded fool.
Obviously they'll both have gun-hammers!

Please: Shotgun-Hammers!

You should change your profile pic to something shotgun related.

I still think that bolter shotguns are kewl and will happily put as many of them as possible into my army of space dwarf humans. :p

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
You should change your profile pic to something shotgun related.

How do you know it isn't already a shotgun? A Shotgun-Armiger?

I suspect that like the "Everything is a cake" videos, in Votann space, everything is a shotgun.

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
I still think that bolter shotguns are kewl and will happily put as many of them as possible into my army of space dwarf humans. :p

Great. Still doesn't mean that making a boltgun into a "shotgun" means anything, given that the benefits of shotguns are their various customisable ammunition loads and bolters already do that, so by making a bolter "shotgun" all you're doing is reducing the weapon's rate of fire and magazine size for... no reason.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So let me get this straight. Squats are going to get new berserker models before the World Eaters do?

Sounds about par for the course. World Eaters can go ____ themselves again.

To be fair, squat players have been waiting a lot longer for beserker models

Bob Lorgar wrote:
So let me get this straight. Squats are going to get new berserker models before the World Eaters do?

Sounds about par for the course. World Eaters can go ____ themselves again.

I assume this has to be sarcasm for Squat players.

If I had to make an educated guess, the troops model we have all ready seen will be a double duty box that also makes the Berserkers. I'd also guess this box will make a couple minor characters like the medic.

So, 2 infantry boxes, jetbike box, a couple character blisters, and a tank plus variants box.

If we're lucky, some kind of walker too. 4-5 boxes, and a couple characters. That's more than what was dedicated to Custodes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
You should change your profile pic to something shotgun related.

How do you know it isn't already a shotgun? A Shotgun-Armiger?

I suspect that like the "Everything is a cake" videos, in Votann space, everything is a shotgun.

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
I still think that bolter shotguns are kewl and will happily put as many of them as possible into my army of space dwarf humans. :p

Great. Still doesn't mean that making a boltgun into a "shotgun" means anything, given that the benefits of shotguns are their various customisable ammunition loads and bolters already do that, so by making a bolter "shotgun" all you're doing is reducing the weapon's rate of fire and magazine size for... no reason.

Nonono. You see, it's very simple: Bolter = cool. Shotgun = cool. Bolter + shotgun = keeeewl! Kewl > reasons and sense and stuff. Me want shotgun bolter, please.

I'm going to need some shotguns that shoot hammers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
You simple-minded fool.
Obviously they'll both have gun-hammers!

Please: Shotgun-Hammers!

Bolt-Shotgun that shoots hammers

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Grudgepyre is a fantastic name for a power. That's all I got to contribute.

Is WC4 the cheapest power? It seems pretty good for taking out things like custodes bikers or crisis suits, once you strip them of their ablative drones.

WC4 is the cheapest as far as I'm aware. I'll take your word for it on the ability to kill larger models as my phone won't let me read the text of any of the cards basically.

It needs a little setup to get “Judgment tokens” attached to the target (but that seems to be a core army mechanic that ties into a lot of stuff so should be relatively easy) but it’s 2d6+tokens vs. the target’s Ld to erase a model. No wounds, just “is destroyed” outright. Only problem is it can’t be a character, vehicle, or monster. So high-value multi-wound infantry/cavalry/bikers seem like the optimal target.

 kodos wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
You simple-minded fool.
Obviously they'll both have gun-hammers!

Please: Shotgun-Hammers!

Bolt-Shotgun that shoots hammers

The Votann Hammerhail Bolt-shotgun. Also comes in the sniper variant, the Votann Stalker Hammerhail bolt-shotgun, the close support variant Votann Heavy Assault Hammerhail Bolt-shotgun, and the recursive version the Votann Assault Shotgun Hammerhail Assault Bolt-assault-shotgun-shotgun. Which I think fires shotguns shaped like hammers.

I really hope the "Land Fortress" lives up to its name. If it's smaller than a Leman Russ, I'm going to be very cross

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Cthonian Beserkers? Were the Sons of Horus Squats this whole time?


(Cthonia means underworld, so its obviously just GW recycling words, but its still funny)

I'd like to think that they're sufficiently aware of their own franchise's background that they wouldn't name a unit something like that without intending for it to be related to Horus' world. I mean, Cthonia is a *mining world* after all. I don't think that's a coincidence here.

Honestly, this could even help to provide interesting context for the Leagues' current distance from the Imperium - beyond their quite justifiable fear of the IoM's generally psychotic world view, I mean.

Isn't Cthonia another name for the Underworld? Thats the chat on Reddit and Discord.


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I really hope the "Land Fortress" lives up to its name. If it's smaller than a Leman Russ, I'm going to be very cross

Yeah I hope so, definitely has echoes of the land train. Valrak mentioned a while ago that he had heard there was a big kit coming..and GW does love their big kits..


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 cuda1179 wrote:
If I had to make an educated guess, the troops model we have all ready seen will be a double duty box that also makes the Berserkers. I'd also guess this box will make a couple minor characters like the medic.

So, 2 infantry boxes, jetbike box, a couple character blisters, and a tank plus variants box.

If we're lucky, some kind of walker too. 4-5 boxes, and a couple characters. That's more than what was dedicated to Custodes.

I'm thinking maybe more like an AoS release- 6 boxes, 4 characters and a special character box which would be like Sisters. I also think one of the rumour engines has a pic of what could be a squat bare arm so Beserkers could be different from the Hearthkyn.

 silverstu wrote:


Isn't Cthonia another name for the Underworld? Thats the chat on Reddit and Discord.

Yes, or pertaining to subterranean.
"Berserks" is a stupid name to me. It's probably the laziest and most contrived name they pulled out their rear so far.
"Hey, how do we make Berserker trademark friendly?"
"I know, let's just drop the -er! Adjectives are the same as nouns, right?"

You're all talking about if there aren't four different units called either "Praetorians" or "Praetors" across all Warhammers

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 silverstu wrote:


Isn't Cthonia another name for the Underworld? Thats the chat on Reddit and Discord.

Yes, or pertaining to subterranean.
"Berserks" is a stupid name to me. It's probably the laziest and most contrived name they pulled out their rear so far.
"Hey, how do we make Berserker trademark friendly?"
"I know, let's just drop the -er! Adjectives are the same as nouns, right?"

Yeah just call them berserkers, the Cthonia part can be the trade mark friendly part..

What if we're interpreting "Land Fortress" incorrectly, and this is another of "Land's" vehicles, such as the Raider and the Speeder, only one that the Squats still have the STC for.

So a chunky Land Raider...

a Land's Fortress aka imperial Bastion but with more guns

 silverstu wrote:
Isn't Cthonia another name for the Underworld? Thats the chat on Reddit and Discord.

As little faith as I have in GW to remember things, Cthonia is pretty front and centre of the new 30k edition, with the boxset and tiein books themed around it.

I wonder if it's NOT a coincidence that the Pioneer bike is in the Sons of Horus paint scheme?